Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

[Plummet]

Thats a personal question but since you asked, my weight is 87kg so about 90kg with bike gear on. The spring was calculated by Suspension Tech and everything was dynoed to my weight and the bike kinematics.

Why no sprindex? they come standard usually on the normcorncob shock.

PS, yeah a custom tune to bike and rider is the berries!

 

[Suns_PSD]

I beg to differ. Excluding smaller batteries I made the following upgrades my full power E.

pedals 150 grams
one piece handlebar stem 200 grams
carbon wheels 350 grams
Full TI bolt kit 300 grams
Run and Exo+ of the front 200 grams
change from 11-51 to 11-45 cassette 150 grams.

There's 1350 grams right there. I could still save on a crank set, lighter rotors, seat, dropper without compromising performance.

150 gram pedals, are you insane! Is that per pedal!? Are you just standing on 2 spindles?
Just no on those handlebars. Also really not much lighter than a quality Oneup CF bar and average stem.
I only run carbon wheels but I keep breaking them, even 2 DH ones. I have a new set of CB Synthesis DH rims here for the new e-bike build. These were built with OneUp hubs and Sapim spokes and came in about 200 grams lighter than the same rims if you get their spokes and hubs.
I could get behind your Ti bolt program. Did you figure out your cost per gram? You going to sling me a set of your 3D printed motor bolts for my CX-R Antidote build? Hoping to stay under 50#s/ 23kgs.
I did that (Exo+ tires) for a long time and it worked fine and still would most of the time. But I decided to take the hit and now both and front and rear tires are absolute anchors.
Wait, weren't you on the Linkglide stuff? Pretty sure the 11-45 LG is still a 600 gram cassette right?

Regarding cranks for e-bikes, I once looked at E13's weight difference between the CF and the AL ones, and it was only a 50 gram weight difference. That's a big loss in strength (and $) for not a lot of weight. I only run Magura MDR-P rotors, Try them, you'll never go back. Also, they are much lighter than they look due to the Al center section. Seat, eh my ass only likes SQLabs and I only run OneUp droppers, which are in fact uber light.

 

[Dr Shreds]

Why no sprindex? they come standard usually on the normcorncob shock.

PS, yeah a custom tune to bike and rider is the berries!

I spoke to Norm when I ordered my shock and he said there has already been a 11 month delay on the 450-500 lbs spring and no word of when they would be available so he was working with eibach to get springs from them.

Luckily I already have the Sprindex spring but just needed the shock as the coil I was using now wont fit like alot of people. Hope mine arrives next week.

 

[sethimus]

I beg to differ. Excluding smaller batteries I made the following upgrades my full power E.

pedals 150 grams is that a joke?
one piece handlebar stem 200 grams this is not a xc bike, those are not available in ASTM 5 rated
carbon wheels 350 grams doable, but only with textile spokes
Full TI bolt kit 300 grams when they are available at some point in the future maybe
Run and Exo+ of the front 200 grams not a "fully capable" tire
change from 11-51 to 11-45 cassette 150 grams. not doable with transmission, which means you will lose one big appeal the motor offers

There's 1350 grams right there. I could still save on a crank set, lighter rotors, seat, dropper without compromising performance.

that's not a

fully capable carbon build

this bike NEEDS proper enduro tires and at least an insert in the back, else you can't really plow on ALL trails, what your "fully capable" implies. so no, not doable, like i said earlier. of course, if you ever only ride smooth flow trails than yes, maybe. but not for the stuff we have here in europe.

 

[Filth_88]

Frame only. The R spec should ship to customers in the 2nd week of Jan is what I last heard.

That’s what I presumed it would be. Can’t wait.

 

[Taxi Man]

Why no sprindex? they come standard usually on the normcorncob shock.

PS, yeah a custom tune to bike and rider is the berries!

No Sprindex in my size. They are out of stock everywhere. The Super Alloy Racing spring was what Norm suggested as the best alternative so went with that.

 

[Plummet]

150 gram pedals, are you insane! Is that per pedal!? Are you just standing on 2 spindles?
Just no on those handlebars. Also really not much lighter than a quality Oneup CF bar and average stem.
I only run carbon wheels but I keep breaking them, even 2 DH ones. I have a new set of CB Synthesis DH rims here for the new e-bike build. These were built with OneUp hubs and Sapim spokes and came in about 200 grams lighter than the same rims if you get their spokes and hubs.
I could get behind your Ti bolt program. Did you figure out your cost per gram? You going to sling me a set of your 3D printed motor bolts for my CX-R Antidote build? Hoping to stay under 50#s/ 23kgs.
I did that (Exo+ tires) for a long time and it worked fine and still would most of the time. But I decided to take the hit and now both and front and rear tires are absolute anchors.
Wait, weren't you on the Linkglide stuff? Pretty sure the 11-45 LG is still a 600 gram cassette right?

Regarding cranks for e-bikes, I once looked at E13's weight difference between the CF and the AL ones, and it was only a 50 gram weight difference. That's a big loss in strength (and $) for not a lot of weight. I only run Magura MDR-P rotors, Try them, you'll never go back. Also, they are much lighter than they look due to the Al center section. Seat, eh my ass only likes SQLabs and I only run OneUp droppers, which are in fact uber light.

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150 grams was the weight savings. Not the total pedal weight. I think pedal weight is around 300 grams.

I ordered 2 spare ti motor bolts. So maybe I could hook you up.

Oops yeah I goofed on the cassette weight 580 grm 11- 45 so only 45 gram saving..

 

[Hawk13]

150 gram pedals, are you insane! Is that per pedal!? Are you just standing on 2 spindles?
Just no on those handlebars. Also really not much lighter than a quality Oneup CF bar and average stem.
I only run carbon wheels but I keep breaking them, even 2 DH ones. I have a new set of CB Synthesis DH rims here for the new e-bike build. These were built with OneUp hubs and Sapim spokes and came in about 200 grams lighter than the same rims if you get their spokes and hubs.
I could get behind your Ti bolt program. Did you figure out your cost per gram? You going to sling me a set of your 3D printed motor bolts for my CX-R Antidote build? Hoping to stay under 50#s/ 23kgs.
I did that (Exo+ tires) for a long time and it worked fine and still would most of the time. But I decided to take the hit and now both and front and rear tires are absolute anchors.
Wait, weren't you on the Linkglide stuff? Pretty sure the 11-45 LG is still a 600 gram cassette right?

Regarding cranks for e-bikes, I once looked at E13's weight difference between the CF and the AL ones, and it was only a 50 gram weight difference. That's a big loss in strength (and $) for not a lot of weight. I only run Magura MDR-P rotors, Try them, you'll never go back. Also, they are much lighter than they look due to the Al center section. Seat, eh my ass only likes SQLabs and I only run OneUp droppers, which are in fact uber light.

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I assumed the numbers quoted were the weight savings not the actual weight of the replacement components?


<edit> I see that has now been confirmed

 

[Plummet]

that's not a

this bike NEEDS proper enduro tires and at least an insert in the back, else you can't really plow on ALL trails, what your "fully capable" implies. so no, not doable, like i said earlier. of course, if you ever only ride smooth flow trails than yes, maybe. but not for the stuff we have here in europe.

You do you and ill do me.

I ride that set up on grade 6, national dh tracks with all sorts of ridiculousness. Ill be enduro racing on it this weekend. So yeah, its fully capable.

Ps 12 speed is terrible in the mud we get here in winter and there's far too many loose branches and vines around here to run expensive e electric derailleurs. Plus I. Think removing the sacrificial hanger is THE stupidest spec change in mountain biking history.

I stripped the transmission off my bike and sold it immediately.

11 speed link glide is the way for me.

 

[Weeksy]

that's not a

this bike NEEDS proper enduro tires and at least an insert in the back, else you can't really plow on ALL trails, what your "fully capable" implies. so no, not doable, like i said earlier. of course, if you ever only ride smooth flow trails than yes, maybe. but not for the stuff we have here in europe.

LOL stop it, my lad races DH without inserts. National level podiums and international at IXS and European champs. Champery, La Molina, Fort William etc etc.

 

[sethimus]

and? and i ride all day, often remote, i can’t have a flat. and i haven’t had one in 4 years, so clearly i must do something right. plus: conti dh tires are usually the same weight as maxxis dd

 

[Weeksy]

and? and i ride all day, often remote, i can’t have a flat. and i haven’t had one in 4 years, so clearly i must do something right. plus: conti dh tires are usually the same weight as maxxis dd

And.... not everyone needs inserts

That's it really. You have a massive habit of forcing your opinions and views on here at people and anything different from your opinion is wrong.... However, that's not always (or even sometimes) actually the case. It may just be a case of misinterpreting the written word, but you seem very harsh with your views at times.

 

[sethimus]

And.... not everyone needs inserts

That's it really. You have a massive habit of forcing your opinions and views on here at people and anything different from your opinion is wrong.... However, that's not always (or even sometimes) actually the case. It may just be a case of misinterpreting the written word, but you seem very harsh with your views at times.

dude said „fully capable“, NOT capable enough for HIM. i take words literally, if you mean them differently that’s a YOU problem then, not a ME problem. if one thinks one can mount xc parts on a bike that goes mostly downhill, then it’s not for everyone. fully capable = ASTM 5 rated. that’s literally why we have these ratings, so ppl can expect a certain use case. this bike is atm ASTM 4 rated, and, according to Velduro UK, they try to get it even ASTM 5 rated atm. so, for a „fully capable“ build bike, all parts should also have this rating, else it‘s only partially capable.

 

[Hawk13]

dude said „fully capable“, NOT capable enough for HIM. i take words literally, if you mean them differently that’s a YOU problem then, not a ME problem.

Hilarious. Literally you say?

So when you say you "can't have a flat" do I take it you have a medical condition that will harm you if you get one or that you ride with solid tyres?

Or do you mean that you don't want to get a flat and are seeking to minimise the liklihood of getting one?

I'm voting with it being a YOU problem

 

[sethimus]

ok, let‘s go back to the start then. Rob posted a picture of a built bike, with NO PEDALS, at 23.97kg.

Now, please name all the parts (and their weight) to remove 1kg of this build to make it RIDEABLE, UNDER 22.97kg. I‘ll still claim that’s not possible, even with Exo+ tires.

 

[manuwen]

ok, let‘s go back to the start then. Rob posted a picture of a built bike, with NO PEDALS, at 23.97kg.

Now, please name all the parts (and their weight) to remove 1kg of this build to make it RIDEABLE, UNDER 22.97kg. I‘ll still claim that’s not possible, even with Exo+ tires.

Toffers Bike weights only 22.86kg with Pedals - but EXO Tires

(from min 12:00)

 

[Plummet]

Toffers Bike weights only 22.86kg with Pedals - but EXO Tires
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(from min 12:00)

That's what i'm talking about. Take the pedals off and add DD's and ya close pretty much bang on to 1kg lighter than robs build.

 

[sethimus]

Toffers Bike weights only 22.86kg with Pedals - but EXO Tires
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(from min 12:00)

yes, exos. and a preproduction version, probably the one i also rode in august and was ridden by the other german speaking youtuber

 

[Taxi Man]

That's what i'm talking about. Take the pedals off and add DD's and ya close pretty much bang on to 1kg lighter than robs build.

That bike is a M isn't? The L frame is going to be more. I'll try to find out the difference next week and share.

 

[Taxi Man]

Hey, Sethimus. You're actually more miserable than I first thought. You even told this influencer he was essentially brainless too. One of the reasons we bike is because of the awesome community, that community gets let down by knobs like you.

 

[sethimus]

just hear him speak. not the brightest candle on the cake. that video could be half as long as it was just by having a clear thought on what you want to say instead of the mindless repetitions and fill words he used over and over

correction: i said that he has „keine ahnung“ which means having no clue and that he is a „substanzloser influencer“ which i would translate with „a shallow influencer“. which he is, just look at all those clickbait videos he has on his channel. but brainless is a bit strong…

now why would i say this? he clearly found both spoke magazin articles on the bike, because he stole one image from the first one. therefore, he should have noticed the part where they write about the cable integration in the production frames. yet, he still babbles about wanting to deaden the cable rattle by using foam -> not able to understand basic facts about what he talks about

 

[Plummet]

dude said „fully capable“, NOT capable enough for HIM. i take words literally, if you mean them differently that’s a YOU problem then, not a ME problem. if one thinks one can mount xc parts on a bike that goes mostly downhill, then it’s not for everyone. fully capable = ASTM 5 rated. that’s literally why we have these ratings, so ppl can expect a certain use case. this bike is atm ASTM 4 rated, and, according to Velduro UK, they try to get it even ASTM 5 rated atm. so, for a „fully capable“ build bike, all parts should also have this rating, else it‘s only partially capable.

Just for you, here's my "non-capable" 180mm e-bike bottom out testing....

My custom S180

That handlebar just looks out of place on this bike. Like an accident waiting to happen.. (Not my photo, just some I found floating on the web) I've ran this handle bar for a year with no issues and i ride some pretty silly stuff. I'm confident that its strong enough.

www.emtbforums.com

FYI. That set up is 21.5kg with pedals 400wh, 22.5kg 600wh battery.

 

[Suns_PSD]

150 grams was the weight savings. Not the total pedal weight. I think pedal weight is around 300 grams.

I ordered 2 spare ti motor bolts. So maybe I could hook you up.

Oops yeah I goofed on the cassette weight 580 grm 11- 45 so only 45 gram saving..

Those SRAM X01 11 speed cassettes are all steel and only weigh 250 grams and are what I currently use. The derailleurs are short & strong and only weigh like 240 grams. They are very durable ime. Combine them with an Eagle 12 speed X01 chain. The 12-speed chain is narrower, clears mud and shifts better and is also more durable than the 11 speed chains.

That's at least a 330 gram weight savings, in an important spot.

I did decide to finally go with a hardwired Transmission for the new build as the shifting performance is undeniable.

 

[sethimus]

judging by the 3 pics @Rob Rides EMTB posted of his build, and by the fact that there is atm only one orderable size of invisiframe protection, my guess is he is on a size large. i put my detective hat on and made a list of all the observable parts on his frame and the weights (either from the manufacturer or weighted by R2). this is what i came up with:

Rob's Velduro Rogue Build
Frame	Velduro Rogue L
Frame Protection	Invisiframe		40
Headset	FSA No.57 ZS44/56		124
Fork	Fox 38		2377
Shock	Fox X2		763
Front Wheel	DT H1900 29"		1029
Rear Wheel	DT H1900 27.5"		1109
Tubeless Valves	Peaty x Chris King Gold		60
Sealant	?
Front Tire	Assegai DD 2.5 29"		1320
Rear Tire	Minion DHR2 DD 2.4 27.5"		1170
Handlebar	Oneup 800 50mm		265
Stem	Oneup 50mm		173
Spacer	3x10mm, probably aluminium		30
Grips	PEATY'S MONARCH GRIPS - MUSHROOM		108
Shifter	GX Pod		45
Dropper Lever	Wolftooth Pro		48,5
Cranks	Avinox 155m		445
Pedals	Oneup Wave		355
Chainring	Velduro 34T
Dropper	Oneup V3 31.6 240mm		610
Seatpost clamp	Velduro
Saddle	Terra Aidon		249
Rear Derailleur	GX Transmission		470
Cassette	GX Transmission		445
Chain	GX Transmission		244
Brakes	Maven Silver		742
Front Disc	Sram H2 220		260
Rear Disc	SRAM H2 200		259
			12740,5

We know the weight of his build, without pedals, was 23.97kg. I found the weights for most parts but the velduro own chainring/spider and seatpost clamp and i don't know how much sealant he put in the tires. which leaves us at 11229.5g for the frame in size large, the seatpost clamp, the chainring/spider and the sealant. feel free to correct me/calculate with your own parts.

 

[Plummet]

Those SRAM X01 11 speed cassettes are all steel and only weigh 250 grams and are what I currently use. The derailleurs are short & strong and only weigh like 240 grams. They are very durable ime. Combine them with an Eagle 12 speed X01 chain. The 12-speed chain is narrower, clears mud and shifts better and is also more durable than the 11 speed chains.

That's at least a 330 gram weight savings, in an important spot.

I did decide to finally go with a hardwired Transmission for the new build as the shifting performance is undeniable.

If it wasnt so muddy or stick strewen location i'd look at electric shifting. In the last enduro race which was a mud fest my boys E transmission would clog up and skip after every 3 min run. I carried a brush and we brushed out his cassette to get it shifting again for the next run. The link glide kept working through the mud. Plus ive seen 6 derrailluers torn to bits on e bikes in the last year. two of which are mine. I say no to $1000 derrailluers.

 

[JP-NZ]

judging by the 3 pics @Rob Rides EMTB posted of his build, and by the fact that there is atm only one orderable size of invisiframe protection, my guess is he is on a size large.

Rob posted earlier in the thread the Velduro he has is a Large.

 

[sethimus]

I'll end up in a similar range than Rob:

Frame	Velduro Rogue L
Frame Protection	Invisiframe		40
Headset
Fork	Intend Flash		2350
Shock	Fast Suspension 550lbs		970
Front Wheel	Turbine V2 29		843
Rear Wheel	Sidekick/ARC31 Carbon/Pillar		1077
Tubeless Valves	Airfix Super Valve 40mm		60
Sealant	Milkit 250ml		280
Front Tire	Kryptotal Fr Supersoft 29 2.4		1290
Rear Tire	Kryptotal Re Soft 29 2.4		1220
Handlebar	Oneup 800 50mm		265
Stem	Newmen 318.4 50mm		104
Spacer	2x10 Carbon		9
Grips	70X M		116
Shifter	GX Pod		45
Dropper Lever	Wolftooth Pro		48,5
Cranks	Avinox 155m
Pedals	Outlier Pendulum		454
Chainring
Dropper	Oneup V3 31.6 240mm		610
Seatpost clamp
Saddle	60X 14cm		264
Rear Derailleur	GX Transmission		470
Cassette	X0 Transmission		380
Chain	GX Transmission		244
Brakes	Intend Trinity		514
Front Disc	TRP RS05E 220		256
Rear Disc	TRP RS05E 203		222
			12131,5

(missing the insert i haven't decided on)

 

[sethimus]

Rob posted earlier in the thread the Velduro he has is a Large.

thx, must have overlocked that

 

[slickrock]

12112,5

FYI, that weight listed for the Fox 38 Grip X2 is way too generous. LLM (possibly hallucinated) real world numbers:

• Actual/Tested Weights: Independent tests and user reports generally show the real-world weight to be higher than the manufacturer's claim:
  • One test recorded a 2,434 grams weight for a Factory GRIP X2 model.
  • Another review weighed a 29", 170mm travel fork (which is very close to the 180mm variant) at 2,383 grams (with a 7.5" steerer tube).
  • Another tested sample, a 29" 170mm fork with a 190mm steerer, came in at 2,381 grams.
  • A sample with an uncut steerer was reported to be over 2,400 grams.

 

[sethimus]

yes you're right, was probably the grip x version, that damper is lighter than the x2, i'll edit it and us the weight from r2 (2377g)