Avinox launch 1500w M2S motor and cheaper M2 motor

Just checked my Slow 4A Specialized Levo charger.

Works from a 300W Pure Sinewave inverter wired directly to a 12V leisure battery.
Too much current for a 10A cigar lighter socket.

Therefore ... An Avinox/Amflow 4A Slow charger should work from a similar system
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Red Peekay said:
Yeah nah, this from the Forbidden site..

Spec-wise, for the M2S, which comes on our Tier 1 and Tier 2 builds, you’re looking at 130 Nm of torque (150 Nm in boost) and 1300 watts of peak power in a 2.6 Kg package. For the M2, which comes on our Tier 3 and Tier 4 builds, you’re looking at 110 Nm of torque (125 Nm in boost) and 1100 watts of peak power in a 2.65 Kg package.
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The original comment was in reference to the supply of the fast charger.
 
haromania said:
Can anyone tell me if the Avinox systems can be charged via the port in the bed of a Toyota Tacoma? Do those ports in the bed have enough power running to them to do that?
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My reply was in reference to this sub-thread about charging using an outlet in a certain vehicle.
The referenced Toyota outlet is not suitable.
I was simply saying how another cheap solution can work.
Leisure battery + £60 Pure Sine Inverter + 4A Charger.

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ntm95 said:
The molicell p60c's would be a massive upgrade over the currently used m58t's.
The charge rates are pathetic on the 58t's to maintain their 500 cycle lifespan. The 60c's can literally be charged 5 times faster.
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The dilemma though is the trade off in capacity, M65A offers another 8.33% capacity over the P60C. For the only real benefit of charging faster, which on paper is capable of a 0-80% charge in 10 minutes, compared to the M65A at 1 hour.

Problem is though that 10 minute charge realistically isn't going to happen real world because Dji would have to package a 120A charger (and make sure everything supports such a crazy high current!) and you would need a outlet capable of something like 5.4kw of power after inefficiencies, which is highly uncommon. For example in the UK it seems max is around 3kw (so now roughly a 18 minute charge to 80%), and in the US / Canada you are limited to 1800w (so now a 30 minutes to 80%). And that assumes nothing else is on the circuit pulling power. Meanwhile the M65A pack can charge at 26A which would be way more reasonable to design around, cheaper, and have no problems on common outlets for the 1.15kw load.

Maybe in the future though we will see and standardized charging outlet and com to support something like DC fast chargers for cars, but for Ebikes to support such a fast charge.
 
Bengy22 said:
The dilemma though is the trade off in capacity, M65A offers another 8.33% capacity over the P60C. For the only real benefit of charging faster, which on paper is capable of a 0-80% charge in 10 minutes, compared to the M65A at 1 hour.

Problem is though that 10 minute charge realistically isn't going to happen real world because Dji would have to package a 120A charger (and make sure everything supports such a crazy high current!) and you would need a outlet capable of something like 5.4kw of power after inefficiencies, which is highly uncommon. For example in the UK it seems max is around 3kw (so now roughly a 18 minute charge to 80%), and in the US / Canada you are limited to 1800w (so now a 30 minutes to 80%). And that assumes nothing else is on the circuit pulling power. Meanwhile the M65A pack can charge at 26A which would be way more reasonable to design around, cheaper, and have no problems on common outlets for the 1.15kw load.

Maybe in the future though we will see and standardized charging outlet and com to support something like DC fast chargers for cars, but for Ebikes to support such a fast charge.
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Absolutely.
My point was that the currently used 58t's kind of suck for charge rate.
I expect the m65a's are what avinox will go to next.
 
Petrex said:
That is what we hear ...
UPON - Avinox Carbon Drop Bar Gravel - No release date yet !
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Found a teaser video on instagram from start of April and grabbed a couple of screenshots, it looks like it's the along rather than the upon from what's written below the screen on the top tube. The video has hashtags for along and upon. Tekmotiv | E-Bike Store on Instagram: "Coming soon from Megamo......... #gravelbike #ebike #egravel #along #upon #megamo #saffronwaldenlocal"

Doesn't look like it has mounting points on the fork which sucks from a backpacking flexibility stand point (Velduro Phantom has them). Slick tires is also unusual for a gravel bike which would also suggest it's the along. The cockpit is also very clean, can't see the Avinox bluetooth remotes on there.

Think the along would be the first Avinox road bike unless I'm mistaken. Not sure how the motor resistance would go down with roadies. I spent about half my commute above the assist limit on my Fazua Ride 50 gravel bike before it stopped working for the third time. Wish there were published non powered assist figures somewhere to compare systems.

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Audio seems to confirm name info

Road : UPON Model Range
Carbon Road Bike - Avinox
Reveal Date Unknown.

Gravel : ALONG Model Range
Carbon Drop Bar Gravel Bike - Avinox
Reveal Date Unknown.
 
Petrex said:
Audio seems to confirm name info

Road : UPON Model Range
Carbon Road Bike - Avinox
Reveal Date Unknown.

Gravel : ALONG Model Range
Carbon Drop Bar Gravel Bike - Avinox
Reveal Date Unknown.
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Ah I didn't have audio on. Originally it was suggested the names were the other way around. Upon being the gravel bike and Along being the road bike. The screen grabs I posted also suggest that the along is the road bike assume all three are the same model. The audio has them as your previous post.

Guess we will find out soon enough, hope the wait isn't too long! I want to get a new bike so having more options to choose from is good.
 
Roughshod said:
Ah I didn't have audio on. Originally it was suggested the names were the other way around. Upon being the gravel bike and Along being the road bike. The screen grabs I posted also suggest that the along is the road bike assume all three are the same model. The audio has them as your previous post.

Guess we will find out soon enough, hope the wait isn't too long! I want to get a new bike so having more options to choose from is good.
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Yes !?! Names given to me first were the other way around - Audio suggests what I have now posted !!???!!
We shall see
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At least we know two very interesting bikes are coming
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Red Peekay said:
Cheers, sorry 😞 my bad.
This is what happens when I see quotes pages later and I get confused.
This is what happens whenever you suffer from CRAFT syndrome! 😒
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It's a pity it doesn't come with the fast charger.
I really do think the tier 1 is a better value overall.
 
“AI slop” getting close to UK bike magazine standards. This was a single shot prompt that would probably pass if you are browsing the mag with no intention to buy at the supermarket. The Mondraker looks a bit off.

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Anyone who has creatd a custom asssitant mode with the M2/M2S and the new app...

How can I edit the name (or the color)? I did a typo and want to edit and/or delete and recreate, but I found only how to hide from the list of available modes...
 
haromania said:
At this point I think my best bet is to just buy a small gas generator from Harbor Freight or Northern Tool. Guaranteed ro work, could leave it running in the bed during transit if I had to.. cheap. Don't have to rely on solar.
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america, fuck yeah!
 
With the new Avinox M2S motor and all the torque it provides combined with the numerous sensors, any opinions on how the Avinox would work with a 7 speed or 8 speed cassette? It seems the motor could make up a lot less gears. This could open up the door for running something like the new SRAM downhill derailleur, if there was a different ratio 7 speed cassette available for that. Otherwise, would it work with the SRAM downhill 7 speed cassette and just run a small chain ring? That would have huge weight and clearance advantages. I can tell you I almost never use gears 1-3 and rarely use 4th gear on my Gen 4 Bosch powered bike. It seems this new Avinox M2S would be great with something like the 7 speed T-Type.
 
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Cell4soul said:
With the new Avinox M2S motor and all the torque it provides combined with the numerous sensors, any opinions on how the Avinox would work with a 7 speed or 8 speed cassette? It seems the motor could make up a lot less gears. This could open up the door for running something like the new SRAM downhill derailleur, if there was a different ratio 7 speed cassette available for that. Otherwise, would it work with the SRAM downhill 7 speed cassette and just run a small chain ring? That would have huge weight and clearance advantages. I can tell you I almost never use gears 1-3 and rarely use 4th gear on my Gen 4 Bosch powered bike. It seems this new Avinox M2S would be great with something like the 7 speed T-Type.
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Just noticed the 38 T chairing on the Avinox
 
Cell4soul said:
With the new Avinox M2S motor and all the torque it provides combined with the numerous sensors, any opinions on how the Avinox would work with a 7 speed or 8 speed cassette? It seems the motor could make up a lot less gears. This could open up the door for running something like the new SRAM downhill derailleur, if there was a different ratio 7 speed cassette available for that. Otherwise, would it work with the SRAM downhill 7 speed cassette and just run a small chain ring? That would have huge weight and clearance advantages. I can tell you I almost never use gears 1-3 and rarely use 4th gear on my Gen 4 Bosch powered bike. It seems this new Avinox M2S would be great with something like the 7 speed T-Type.
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This would be great, I looked into it but the prices of the cassette, derailleur and flat-top chain are prohibitive i.e. silly money. It would seem that the AXS Eagle pod would work OK but not sure about Avinox software - I don't think it includes 7-speed cassette in the options (yet) does it?
 
Pentti said:
This would be great, I looked into it but the prices of the cassette, derailleur and flat-top chain are prohibitive i.e. silly money. It would seem that the AXS Eagle pod would work OK but not sure about Avinox software - I don't think it includes 7-speed cassette in the options (yet) does it?
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custom cassette option is on the developer wishlist 🤙
 
daytrader said:
custom cassette option is on the developer wishlist 🤙
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Wheeltop EDS OX2.0 Wireless Shifter could be an option with 10-24 DH Cassette and T-Type chain, BUT can it be powered by bike and would it work with Smoothshift? Answer - NO unfortunately, but could work as an independently powered unit. The Wheeltop derailleur has an integrated battery which can not be used whilst charging
 
So...
It appears there are a number of wireless Di2 rear mechs that have an SD300 port for power from the bike battery/motor. Both Hyperglide 12s and Linkglide 11s.
Has anybody done the SRAM type trick (pending official cable) of splicing a Shimano SD300 cable to an Avinox front light adapter cable (Higo Micro M for M2S) to get power to the mech.
All the fancy modes would be missing until there is an official cable and/or software update, but I would have thought you could get wireless shifting going in the meantime and benefit from Di2 speed and Linkglide 11s robustness, for example, with no battery to charge ?
 
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daytrader said:
custom cassette option is on the developer wishlist 🤙
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Actually I don't think it's a problem, the 7-speed AXS DH cassette is identical gearing to the Eagle 12-speed for the smallest end of the cassette. So leaving the Amflow software on the eagle setup should not be a problem (as if you only ever use those 7 gears). I've found a "cheap" derailleur without a battery, all AXS batteries are the same, I'm going to do this conversion (12-speed Eagle AXS to 7-speed AXS DH) X-SYNC is designed for full-power changes! Eagle X-GLIDE 2 is not, you are supposed to back-off, but "Smoothshift" is designed for X-SYNC on T-Type Transmission is it not?
 
Interesting video from Will comparing 150nm/1500w with 120nm/1000w and 100nm/750w

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