I ride mine as close to 30% sag as I can get, if you’re at 38% you need to let some air out to lower your air pressure. 19mm of sag will put you at 30%, you can also measure your eye-to-eye if it’s easier for you, you’d want to be at 211mm sagged for 30%.
Levo Gen 3 Cascade Link 2022+ Levo Long Shock Kit
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I ride mine as close to 30% sag as I can get, if you’re at 38% you need to let some air out to lower your air pressure. 19mm of sag will put you at 30%, you can also measure your eye-to-eye if it’s easier for you, you’d want to be at 211mm sagged for 30%.
Surely I need to add more pressure to get to 30% sag. Its 26mm sag at the moment and should be 19mm
You’re looking at it backwards. If your sag is too high you take air out, if it’s too low you add more air. Yours is currently too high so you’d want to let air out.
Just doing some rough calculations based on your weight you should probably start around 210psi and adjust from there. Cascade says 20-25% less air pressure, I found 25% less to work better for me when I was on an air shock.
I don't think I am. My sag is 38% at the moment. To decrease sag you need to increase air pressure. If I take air out it will sink even further into its travel and have even more sag?
Sorry dude…don’t listen to me
you’re right, I’m looking at it backwards. it’s been a long morning already and a looong time since I’ve been on an air shock.Back when I was on air I found that I needed less PSI than what the Spesh calculator suggested for the stock set-up to hit 30% sag. There’s a few bigger guys that have posted in here, if you read back through the thread there’s a few PSI settings posted.
I weigh about 100kg with my kit and I'm running a coil. I think a coil is a really good option if you decide to move away from your float X2.
Seems odd you can't get it right though.
cosas_genericas
Member
Curious, has anyone here run the link with a 160 instead of 170? I’ve always been on 170 air and 180 coil but lately I’m thinking the bike would ride better with a lower bottom bracket.
electricbogaloo
Active member
Anyone tried to balance out the higher bb with a longer fork or a higher bar/stem combo? I feel like with the link the saddle feels higher and I have this feeling getting bucked more over the front of the bike compared to the stock low setting which I really don't like. Its not making me feel confident on the bike...
I run mine with a 170mm fox 38 smashpot. I run the frame in lower and use the 0 offset headset.
electricbogaloo
Active member
I need to get more test laps in but it looks like I should have gotten the normal link that uses the stock size shock. The only downsides of the stock low setting are the pedal strikes and the battery cover taking a beating but I think I can live with that as soon as I get sturdier pedals.
cosas_genericas
Member
The kinematics were amazing with this kit but I couldn’t get over the bb height. You could try going back to a 160 fork if you went to a 170. Also try putting it -1 degree headset cup if you haven’t already which would lower the bb. It really bothered me once I had gotten bikes with lower bbs.
electricbogaloo
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I never tried a 160 mm fork and already ran the bike in the slackest and lowest possible setting.
I didn't do much riding on it and the setup might be improved. It's also a float x. Performance vs a x2 factory on the stock link. But I didn't notice a dramatic improvement in plushness or anything so far.
Its kinda odd that people praise this link and nobody talks about how the higher bb and steeper headbangle are noticeable. I even notice my saddle getting more in the way.
I didn't do much riding on it and the setup might be improved. It's also a float x. Performance vs a x2 factory on the stock link. But I didn't notice a dramatic improvement in plushness or anything so far.
Its kinda odd that people praise this link and nobody talks about how the higher bb and steeper headbangle are noticeable. I even notice my saddle getting more in the way.
cosas_genericas
Member
I ultimately sold the bike because the bb always felt too high to me and the link made it worse even though it made straight line performance 10x better.
electricbogaloo
Active member
I lowered the dynamic bb by lowering pressure and slowing down the rebound one click from the recommendation. It feels good that way and straight lining bomb holes feels more confident but with full extension of the shock or in steep sections it doesn't feel as confident as with the stock link.
The feeling is more on the bike than in the bike. I need to ride it back to back with the stock link.
The feeling is more on the bike than in the bike. I need to ride it back to back with the stock link.
Replacing the link today, while removing the original link, I have 2 spacers dropped down and did not record where exactly they are coming from. From youtube instructions, these should be fitting on the most forward pivot, narrower side facing the bearing, could anyone confirm pls, as it looks quite weird to me, ie having a "gap" between the fixning point.
Endo McFaceplant
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Hey all.
Edit: This thread is mostly about the long shock kit but hopefully someone here can help me with my regular CC link on the stock stroke shock (210x55).
I put a Fox DHX(coil) on my 22 turbo Levo. I used the spring rate calculator to figure the lbs of spring I needed but I think I did it incorrectly. The weight it came up with for me at 180# kitted was 550-100 correction for the high rise rate of my Cascade link (28% fox chart only goes to 25). So I got a 450# spring. When I checked the sag it was 36% (20mm of 55mm). I was shooting for the recommended magical 30%. So I ordered a 500# spring but took the bike out for a test ride at a local trail area to see how it felt with the 450#r. I started out with comp and reb in the middle and didn't feel a need to change either during the ride. It was very plush, tracked better than I remember the air shock doing. I was real happy with the way it rode but leery of that much sag and how much of a bottom out risk it was. I didn't do any big hits on that ride so I'm not sure how much of the travel I was using.
So the sad sag saga continues, The 500# spring arrived today and I installed it. That gave me a whopping 4% change to 32%(18mnm). I'm going to ride the bike again and do a little G-out testing before I pull the trigger on a heavier spring. But wanted to check if anyone had some opinions or advice on the subject. Once I'm dialed in on the spring rate I plan to get an SLS spring. I know some people are running sags as low as 24% on their coil shocks on levos just wondering if there is a consensus on how much sag will give me good bottom out resistance.
Thanks
Edit: This thread is mostly about the long shock kit but hopefully someone here can help me with my regular CC link on the stock stroke shock (210x55).
I put a Fox DHX(coil) on my 22 turbo Levo. I used the spring rate calculator to figure the lbs of spring I needed but I think I did it incorrectly. The weight it came up with for me at 180# kitted was 550-100 correction for the high rise rate of my Cascade link (28% fox chart only goes to 25). So I got a 450# spring. When I checked the sag it was 36% (20mm of 55mm). I was shooting for the recommended magical 30%. So I ordered a 500# spring but took the bike out for a test ride at a local trail area to see how it felt with the 450#r. I started out with comp and reb in the middle and didn't feel a need to change either during the ride. It was very plush, tracked better than I remember the air shock doing. I was real happy with the way it rode but leery of that much sag and how much of a bottom out risk it was. I didn't do any big hits on that ride so I'm not sure how much of the travel I was using.
So the sad sag saga continues, The 500# spring arrived today and I installed it. That gave me a whopping 4% change to 32%(18mnm). I'm going to ride the bike again and do a little G-out testing before I pull the trigger on a heavier spring. But wanted to check if anyone had some opinions or advice on the subject. Once I'm dialed in on the spring rate I plan to get an SLS spring. I know some people are running sags as low as 24% on their coil shocks on levos just wondering if there is a consensus on how much sag will give me good bottom out resistance.
Thanks
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Cascade Long Shock Kit for 2022 Levo requires 230x65 shock. 20m of SAG would be close to perfect.
Endo McFaceplant
New Member
Sorry about that, I realized after reading your post that I posted in the long shock link thread. I have the regular CC link for the OEM shock at 55mm stroke. I googled into the middle of the thread and didn't pay attention to the main thread title.
TF Tuned has a pretty decent spring calculator that will put you in the ballpark of where you need to be. You may have to adjust a little from there. You could alway get a Sprindex Spring, you can change the weight of the spring with just a few turns of the dial. Mine is right around 18.5mm sagged, it’s as close to 30% as I could get it. I’m on the 230x65 shock with the long link but did run a coil on the other CC link before upgrading to the long link.
Edit: the TF Tuned spring calculator suggests a 522 spring so you’d probably need a 525.
Endo McFaceplant
New Member
I almost pulled the trigger on a Sprindex but I thought "they're kind of expensive for something you'll only have on the bike for a short time and what could possibly go wrong"... Yeah I should have got it from the start since my intention was to use the std springs a test bed and once I'm dialed in throw an SLS coil on it. But this is my first foray into coil shocks so I'm learning as I go (so far the hard way). I'll definitely pick one up if I do throw on the long shock kit.
Standard fox coils are in 50# increments, SLS go up 25# to 500 then in 50# increments above 500. So I ordered a 550. I'll ride the 500 and then mount and 550 and see how they compare. I was running 30% sag with the CC link and the stock air shock and was pretty happy with it compared to the OEM links. The 500 gives me 32% sag and the if it's fairly linear that should give me somewhere around 28% with the 550. I'll let you know what I find.
cosas_genericas
Member
My advice as a guy that regularly works on suspension is that you should use sag as a starting point and remember that you can almost always achieve 25lb of difference via collar tension without getting goofy. If you want to really experiment though you should go for a sprindex as long as you don’t mind the progressively in the last 20%
Endo McFaceplant
New Member
Thanks for that.
I looked into the sprindex after the fact and in hind sight, Here's what I see:
My first mistake was following the instructions for the Fox spring calculator to the letter. This started me off with a 450# spring which would have been the sprindex 430-500 model. I would have topped that one out and had to buy the 2nd size up from that the 490-560 model. That would have done the job of helping me dial it in but I want to end up with an SLS coil. So at the end of the process I'd have been out close to $500. The way I'm doing it is inelegant and basically spit balling it, but this time at least, I think it's gonna work out for the better (cheaper at least). Once I'm solidly in the ball park I may buy a Sprindex just to play around with it.
Thanks to all for the your inputs.
cosas_genericas
Member
What shock are you running?
Endo McFaceplant
New Member
Fox DHX 210x55
I've got the long shock link with a b2 super deluxe ultimate on on an S5 with 170mm Zebs. The initial feeling with the long shock link was "I've made a mistake here", it took away that "in the bike" feeling and replaced it with "on the bike" and the saddle started getting in the way. I replaced the stock dropper with a Oneup 210mm and it sorted those problems.
I've been running back to back days with the stock link & stock rs deluxe r (the shock is ass) and the stock setup just feels like shit after the long link. it's harsh and my pedals get a beating. But for me it is better geometry wise.
Threw on an offset bushing (you can only run one) and ran higher sag today and and It's better than before, enough for me to be satisfied with it. It really is that much better in every other way but it might not be for everyone.
This still has me wondering about the stock link with a proper shock like the new Vivid or Super Deluxe ultimate, and 160mm forks. Too costly to buy to try, so I guess I'll be staying with the long link for now.
Also I'm wondering about a shorter shock with the long shock link, something like 220x55-60mm. Doesn't really exist but it should bring the bike bike down some, right?
I'm already at the end of the bell curve with my 115kg weight which never helps anything, but today the bike felt good. Really good. It's getting there.
I've been running back to back days with the stock link & stock rs deluxe r (the shock is ass) and the stock setup just feels like shit after the long link. it's harsh and my pedals get a beating. But for me it is better geometry wise.
Threw on an offset bushing (you can only run one) and ran higher sag today and and It's better than before, enough for me to be satisfied with it. It really is that much better in every other way but it might not be for everyone.
This still has me wondering about the stock link with a proper shock like the new Vivid or Super Deluxe ultimate, and 160mm forks. Too costly to buy to try, so I guess I'll be staying with the long link for now.
Also I'm wondering about a shorter shock with the long shock link, something like 220x55-60mm. Doesn't really exist but it should bring the bike bike down some, right?
I'm already at the end of the bell curve with my 115kg weight which never helps anything, but today the bike felt good. Really good. It's getting there.
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Kenevo
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Now that the gen 4 is out does anyone want to sell their linkage since it doesn’t fit the new frame?
I am potentially looking at selling my linkage and shock. Been used twice. Only selling as putting bike back to standard to sell.
Shock (Fox Float X factory 230 x 65), linkage and fees cost me £844. Would sell for £700 as a kit.
Kenevo
Member
Thanks but I already have a 230x65 to use so only looking for the linkage
Tadmcmichael
Member
Not looking to go to the long linkage, but please let me know if any of you decide to sell your short linkage. I don't really care what color.
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