Weird Reversed Stem Geo / Chat

Found a two year old video on YT, also BMB part, but with a"little bit" higher stack :)

Saw this video when it first came out. MTB steerer tubes are cut stupidly short for showroom appeal. (We come from a bike supermoto background btw).

We have uncut steerer tubes as shown earlier.

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EMTBs have more weight on the front of them and also a motor, so climbing ability is much less of an issue, if at all.
 
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Found a two year old video on YT, also BMB part, but with a"little bit" higher stack :)

Fun note, Seth is 5’4” and I don’t really recommend the Gen 1 150mm RR stem that he tested for riders below 5’6”. At that time I wasn’t yet making the Gen 2 90mm. Had he tested the Gen 2 90mm, it would have fit him better for even better handling, and improved the climbing. Even so, he largely got along with it really well. 😄
 
Fun note, Seth is 5’4” and I don’t really recommend the Gen 1 150mm RR stem that he tested for riders below 5’6”. At that time I wasn’t yet making the Gen 2 90mm. Had he tested the Gen 2 90mm, it would have fit him better for even better handling, and improved the climbing. Even so, he largely got along with it really well. 😄
He has the heart of a 6ft man though.
 
I think my Kenevo looks badass with this setup, it looks like a proper DH bike (profile pic is a bit old, but its similar), looks super slack and moto

I am actually starting to think the stem on normal mtbs look really stupid after getting used to this
It would certainly help the geo since the stack is way too low, and the reach too long on the kenevo.
I could see this stem breathing new life into older bikes, providing they have enough chainstay.
 
It would certainly help the geo since the stack is way too low, and the reach too long on the kenevo.
I could see this stem breathing new life into older bikes, providing they have enough chainstay.
Reach is perfect you mean
 
I havent read all 5 pages of bable so maybe this has is covered.

Hows the steep tech climbing? Do you loop out sooner?

Unless you have designed a bike from the ground up with crazy long rear chain stays and longer reach. This set up in my mind will be terrible climbing with too much weight backward.
 
Reach is perfect you mean
It's tolerable once you put 60-70mm of spacers under the stem 🤷‍♂️ .
A size 4 kenevo has an okay f/r ratio, for an older bike, at 1.84. Unfortunately the long reach at 500mm puts you forward of where you want to be. Because of the laughably low stack at 620mm though, you can run a pile of spacers and long steerer to achieve a more modern body position. Which is kind of what you have done, no ?
 
I havent read all 5 pages of bable so maybe this has is covered.

Hows the steep tech climbing? Do you loop out sooner?

Unless you have designed a bike from the ground up with crazy long rear chain stays and longer reach. This set up in my mind will be terrible climbing with too much weight backward.
Mine is the best climbing bike I’ve ever ridden. Super steep tech climbing that was a hike a bike on other bikes is made fairly easy on my current setup. I do think a lot of it has to do with the steep 80* STA and the 455mm chainstays though.
 
It's tolerable once you put 60-70mm of spacers under the stem 🤷‍♂️ .
A size 4 kenevo has an okay f/r ratio, for an older bike, at 1.84. Unfortunately the long reach at 500mm puts you forward of where you want to be. Because of the laughably low stack at 620mm though, you can run a pile of spacers and long steerer to achieve a more modern body position. Which is kind of what you have done, no ?
Your reach calculations seem a bit out of date, maybe you need to reverse your stems?
 
Mine is the best climbing bike I’ve ever ridden. Super steep tech climbing that was a hike a bike on other bikes is made fairly easy on my current setup. I do think a lot of it has to do with the steep 80* STA and the 455mm chainstays though.
My kenevo also climbs crazy good, I have not noticed anything different by running this setup. But as I said I did start at very long reach, not sure how it would work on a traditional geo
 
Mine is the best climbing bike I’ve ever ridden. Super steep tech climbing that was a hike a bike on other bikes is made fairly easy on my current setup. I do think a lot of it has to do with the steep 80* STA and the 455mm chainstays though.
Yeah the voima does climb like a goat for sure.

But set the handle bar higher and futher back makes surely it makes it worse.

This high and back set up seems opposite to what would work for uphill.
 
Can't get past the looks of the thing, for me it's in the same folder as rear mudguards and that god awful fender thing on the fox podium fork.
 
Kinda why I like a larger frame with a short stem, tall bars. Open cockpit allows lots more rider movement. Larger frame keeps me a bit more upright.
This looks very interesting. Such glowing reviews, we should see it get popular.
Mind you, theres a whole subset of riders who only go by looks. They won’t like this. Not at all. This looks like someone is playing a joke. Like they installed the stem wrong🤣
Gonna keep watching. Looks interesting.
 
I read in an earlier post that you typically run significantly less fork shock pressure.

What then happens on drops etc.? For example a 5 foot drop, you’re a bit nose heavy, aren’t you just going to bottom out really easily?!

I’m 85kg (187lbs) and run about 90psi in my Fox 38’s. Any less and I bottom out pretty harshly on the trails I ride.

Regardless, I would love to try this innovation out!
 
I read in an earlier post that you typically run significantly less fork shock pressure.

What then happens on drops etc.? For example a 5 foot drop, you’re a bit nose heavy, aren’t you just going to bottom out really easily?!

I’m 85kg (187lbs) and run about 90psi in my Fox 38’s. Any less and I bottom out pretty harshly on the trails I ride.

Regardless, I would love to try this innovation out!
In practice, no. Where traditionally in that scenario, all your weight would be pushing directly into the fork leading to a harsh bottom out, and heavy loading onto the hands and arms, with the RR stems geo, you’ll still be roughly 5-6 degrees behind directly loading into the fork, and will instead start tipping back away from loading into the fork sooner. With the RR stem you have a hand to front axle angle comparable to around a 59-58 degree headtube angle so your endo angle is greatly reduced. Also, your arms will tend to be at a more horizontal angle to the bars instead of a more vertical angle so you are better positioned to catch yourself instead of going over the bars, and you can get a lot further back before your arms are locked with no control for further making sure you stay behind the front axle.
 
I read in an earlier post that you typically run significantly less fork shock pressure.

What then happens on drops etc.? For example a 5 foot drop, you’re a bit nose heavy, aren’t you just going to bottom out really easily?!

I’m 85kg (187lbs) and run about 90psi in my Fox 38’s. Any less and I bottom out pretty harshly on the trails I ride.

Regardless, I would love to try this innovation out!
In a general sense though, you aren’t completely wrong in your thinking here that it will change how you need to balance support and sensitivity for the fork. This is actually one of the advantages of running a longer chainstay on it. (Numbers are rough for illustrative purposes and don’t necessarily represent reality.)

Bike A:
Short chainstay, long forward stem, low bar

Neutral body position puts 20% load on the bars and gives a 40/60 F/R weight distribution.

100% load on the hands gives 90% load on the front tire.

0% load on the hands gives 30% load on the front tire.

Your fork has to be set up to function from 30% load to 90% load with neutral being at 40% load and 20% load on the hands.

30% load on the front tire is underloaded from the forks neutral setup, so you need to consciously stay forward for that 20% hand load or more for neutral to higher front loading.

Bike B:
Short chainstay, Reversed stem, Raised bar

Neutral body position puts 0% load into the bar, and gives a 30/70 F/R weight distribution.

100% load on the hands gives 70% load on the front wheel.

0% load on the hands gives 30% load on the front tire.

Your fork has to be setup to function from 30% load to 70% load with neutral being at 30% load and 0% load on the hands.

30% load on the front tire is neutral loaded for the forks neutral setup at 0% load on the hands, so you can just stay centered for neutral loading and any added amount in the hands for higher front loading.

Bike C:
Long chainstay, Reversed stem, Raised bar

Neutral body position puts 0% load into the bar, and gives a 40/60 F/R weight distribution.

100% load on the hands gives 70% load on the front wheel.

0% load on the hands gives 40% load on the front tire.

Your fork has to be setup to function from 40% load to 70% load with neutral being at 40% load and 0% load on the hands.

40% load on the front tire is neutral loaded for the forks neutral setup at 0% load on the hands, so you can just stay centered for neutral loading and any added amount in the hands for higher front loading.

Bike C has the most consistent front loading with the least variability between max and minimum loading at only 70-40 so 30% range. This makes fork setup easier to balance good traction and sensitivity with good support.

Bike B is not quite as easy to balance fork setup at 70-30 so 40% range, but never has you underloaded from neutral unless you are actively lifting and directing it around.

Bike A has the widest variability for the most difficult fork setup balance at 90-40 so 50% range arguably even being 90-30 so 60% range when accounting for that 10% window underloaded still needing to work well until you are actively lifting and directing it.

This is also why it’s so important to rebalance the front suspension softer. Your neutral position on bike B underloads the front by 20% from where it was on bike A, and your max load is also dropped 20% from bike A. As such even just trying to match 20% hand load on bike B will have you underloaded from bike A for how it is setup. When you do rebalance it though, the more consistent loading with that smaller variability gives a more predictable front end that is less prone to being underloaded. 🤓
 
I imagine of your brake/ dropper/ shift lines were cut to not have excess slack in them, that you might be looking at having to extend all of these with the bars now being so much higher?
 
I imagine of your brake/ dropper/ shift lines were cut to not have excess slack in them, that you might be looking at having to extend all of these with the bars now being so much higher?
Really? Your brake lines are so tight they can’t move up a few centimeters? How does your front suspension work? Same with droppers. You need slack to turn the bars. There’s plenty of slack if your bikes assembled correctly.
 
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