Just say no to integrated batteries

[Gary]

Interested in hearing what all this stuff you carry is.
I'm completely self sufficient for pretty much every mechanical eventuality carrying 400g of spares/tools on the bike and my phone, cash and a snack in my pocket.
I don't ever carry water on rides of under 2 hours (actual riding time) few proper (hilly) emtb rides will manage over that on a 500wh battery.
I'd take water in a hotter climate. but even then probably only about a litre tops and just have a big drink before and after the ride

 

[GrandPaBrogan]

Batteries: They WILL get better, smaller - charge faster and hold it for longer. Fundamentally the developments are aimed so that they can be manufactured cheaper - but they won't be sold cheaper. Development costs always get passed to the consumer.

Technology Intoxication: The consumer market and the industry itself are both drunk from drinking too much of their own Kool-Aid. Everyone who buys a CAD software is a designer overnight. Corporations should, but won't know where to stop... and will build products with more features than you care or need to use, and charge you for it.

Prestige Acquisition: Clouds our judgement because instant validation can be purchased.

Obsolescence: A lot of it is planned.

GAS: Snake oil for illusive deficit.

Locking Keys: Keep one with your car keys, and clip the keyring of the spare one onto the charger power cord (we get two keys right?)

Allen Keys: Always wondered why they're called that, but never cared enough to find out.

Belly Buttons: Some are innies, some are outies... some catch lint, some don't.

 

[Gary]

Allen Keys: Always wondered why they're called that, but never cared enough to find out.

Spoiler: Alert

It's just a brand name like "Hoover" etc.
Their generic name is Hex keys if you prefer

 

[outerlimits]

Spoiler: Alert

It's just a brand name like "Hoover" etc.
Their generic name is Hex keys if you prefer

Allen Johnson and Jeremy Key owners of Allen manufacturing developed them.

Now let’s get back to the thread topics “why batteries should not be inserted where the sun don’t shine”
“ You stash what in your gash”
And
“ What you got there in your backpack bitch” ”

 

[CjP]

I have two backpacks, one for long rides 7/8kgs. I have everything in it to get lost in the wilderness if I have to. You name it I’ve got it in there.
The other one is like 3/4kgs and has most essentials to keep the bike running if something goes wrong. I rode without it once and I was not happy at all. Felt horrible and unsafe.
I love my backpacks, the make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Eddy Current]

What if I told you they are moving right away from bike mounted batteries ?
Yep, they are going to backpack batteries, making the lightest eMtb in the world.

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Well is not a bad idea at all. Fazua battery weights 1.35 kgs, 250wh. If that weight out the bike/on your body does a better job in the dinamics of the riding, let’s do it!

 

[Gary]

Allen Johnson and Jeremy Key owners of Allen manufacturing developed them.

Henry feels incredibly left out...

Ah... that's better

 

[Gary]

I have two backpacks, one for long rides 7/8kgs. I have everything in it to get lost in the wilderness if I have to. You name it I’ve got it in there.
The other one is like 3/4kgs and has most essentials to keep the bike running if something goes wrong. I rode without it once and I was not happy at all. Felt horrible and unsafe.
I love my backpacks, the make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Still don't really get how it's possible to need all that unless you're professionally guiding and responsible for a groiup of riders or properly riding in the wilderness and camping. Not a recreational ride on an ebike.
At 8kg you're effectively carrying the weight of a spare road bike.

 

[Gary]

Well is not a bad idea at all. Fazua battery weights 1.35 kgs, 250wh. If that weight out the bike/on your body does a better job in the dinamics of the riding, let’s do it!

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except that thing weighs (slightly) MOAR than a shimano E8000 external battery per Wh and looks to be even bigger. I suppose you could maybe shoot a spare one out a bazooka aiming for somewhere half way round your usual ride and just dump the spent one there once you'd reached it

 

[Eddy Current]

except that thing weighs (slightly) MOAR than a shimano E8000 external battery per Wh and looks to be even bigger. I suppose you could maybe shoot a spare one out a bazooka aiming for somewhere half way round your usual ride and just dump the spent one there once you'd reached it

No idea about other battery’s, I guess this about absolute and no relative terms (weights). 250wh 1.35 kilos is just a reference, and it’s not a bad at all. I don’t think is not going to hurt carry it in a backpack, always you don’t mind wear one. Remember, choices, we need always choices, not f (beeeeep) standars devouring all! Just say no to standars

 

[Gary]

it's not really ever going to be lighter making power smaller packs from the same cells that require their own casings, circuits and couplings now is it?

You're really not getting how i feel about this so I'll spell it out again...

F U C K B A C K P A C K S

 

[Eddy Current]

it's not really ever going to be lighter making smaller packs that require their own casings and couplings from the same cells now is it?

You're really not getting how i feel about this so I'll spell it out again...

F U CK B A C K P A C K S

To hell, I’m with you, where they at! Fuckbackpacks!

This is the best biking forum ever, hands down

 

[CjP]

Also I love a heavy bike! 24/25 kg is my sweet spot.

Still don't really get how it's possible to need all that unless you're professionally guiding and responsible for a groiup of riders or properly riding in the wilderness and camping. Not a recreational ride on an ebike.
At 8kg you're effectively carrying the weight of a spare road bike.

Well I used to ride with a heap of pedal people so they effectively used me to carry everything they would normally carry. I’ve ridden in some pretty remote areas so I like to have as much medical equipment I can fit. I even toyed with the idea of somehow fitting a defibrillator powered by my battery. Lol

I also have a lot of bike repair/maintenance equipment. It’s amazing how many people are unprepared on the trails and I enjoy being able to help out.
The weight never really bothered me until my brother came back home and we started proper ebike riding. Then I noticed the weight transfer and bought a nice fox pack that’s close to the body and fits just the things I need. It’s doesn’t move regardless how I ride. It’s so good I’m buying a second one
My main reason though is for the protection. I already have a messed up back so the cost of protection for me is priceless. I’ve gone over the bars and landed on my back a few times now and not once have I damaged or even hurt my back.

 

[GrandPaBrogan]

I guess the commuter eBike community is waaay ahead in this regard... coast to coast baby!

 

[outerlimits]

27kg eMtb and a 8kg backpack is the sweet spot, no matter what @Gary says, he’s often wrong anyway ?
It’s a eMtb after all and what’s the extra weight anyways when you got a motor to help you. Light carbon bikes, wearing Lycra and external bulges is for pussies. Get on a heavy bike, carry a heavy pack and get those legs burning like a Man !

 

[Gary]

a heap of pedal people so they effectively used me to carry everything they would normally carry.

Are you a saint or a massochist?
That sounds mental to me. Why can't these "pedal" people carry their own stuff?

Fair enough if you want to carry supplies and first aid but those don't all need to be all that heavy either. unless you absolutely must carry a shelter for your group. (professional guiding etc.)

I also have a lot of bike repair/maintenance equipment.

This part really doesn't need to weigh a lot at all. in my 400g pack (Dakine hotlaps frame bag) I carry a multitool containing every tool for pretty much every job bar removing my motor and cassette, bleeding brakes or cutting cables out on the trail. this along with 2x innertubes, tyre&tube patches/solution, a quick link, mech hanger, zipties, and 2x C02 (with head)

It’s amazing how many people are unprepared on the trails and I enjoy being able to help out.

The above tools/spares sees me right for any maintenance/emergency repair on any ride. Near or far. bringing anything else spares wise would be well OTT IMO. But I figure you're never really much more than 10 miles from where you started on an Emtb ride and generally in my country even closer to a road in this. I get that your country is different though.

 

[outerlimits]

Yeah, @Gary knows what I’m talking bout. There is nothing more skilful than tricking a jump on a tiny jump whilst on a 27kg bike, wearing a 8kg pack. This is where we all should be heading, as it will give you the required skill set to take on Rampage, safe in the knowledge you have a parachute strapped to your back just incase you slip a pedal at the top of Price Is Right. ?

 

[CjP]

Are you a saint or a massochist?
That sounds mental to me. Why can't these "pedal" people carry their own stuff?

Fair enough if you want to carry supplies and first aid but those don't all need to be all that heavy either. unless you absolutely must carry a shelter for your group. (professional guiding etc.)


This part really doesn't need to weigh a lot at all. in my 400g pack (Dakine hotlaps frame bag) I carry a multitool containing every tool for pretty much every job bar removing my motor and cassette, bleeding brakes or cutting cables out on the trail. this along with 2x innertubes, tyre&tube patches/solution, a quick link, mech hanger, zipties, and 2x C02 (with head)

The above tools/spares sees me right for any maintenance/emergency repair on any ride. Near or far. bringing anything else spares wise would be well OTT IMO. But I figure you're never really much more than 10 miles from where you started on an Emtb ride and generally in my country even closer to a road in this. I get that your country is different though.

Oh your gonna love this.

Ok so my large pack has the following

Medical supplies
Band aids- small and large
Alcohol swabs
Two bandages (mainly for snake bites)
Ear buds
Arm sling
Blow up neck pillow
Gloves
Moisture wipes
Liquid bandaids
Disposable rain jackets

Bike repair/maintenance
Tubeless repair kit
Patches/glue
Spare chain
Electrical tape
Cable ties (various sizes)
Mini pliers
Chain breaker
Chain separator
Bike pump
Shock pump
Tire pressure gauge
Tire levers
Stanley knife/ blade
under seat mucky nuts guard for really wet/muddy days
Water bladder of course

Then there’s the water bottle keg which has
Tube
SWAT tool
Cable ties
Chain links
Valve tool
Spare valve caps
Valcro straps


The steerer tube also has a swat tool system in it which has the chain breaker and swat tool in that.

I love it!
I’ve had some shit go wrong in the wrong places and I had everything I needed to keep me going.

The smaller pack has roughly half of that. Like I said I like to be prepared
The Australian bush can be harsh and dangerous at times, you gotta be ready for shit to go wrong.

 

[CjP]

Are you a saint or a massochist?

lol definitely a saint Gary.

 

[CjP]

Also I’m a little unusual

 

[outerlimits]

Oh your gonna love this.

Ok so my large pack has the following

Medical supplies
Band aids- small and large
Alcohol swabs
Two bandages (mainly for snake bites)
Ear buds
Arm sling
Blow up neck pillow
Gloves
Moisture wipes
Liquid bandaids
Disposable rain jackets

Bike repair/maintenance
Tubeless repair kit
Patches/glue
Spare chain
Electrical tape
Cable ties (various sizes)
Mini pliers
Chain breaker
Chain separator
Bike pump
Shock pump
Tire pressure gauge
Tire levers
Stanley knife/ blade
under seat mucky nuts guard for really wet/muddy days
Water bladder of course

Then there’s the water bottle keg which has
Tube
SWAT tool
Cable ties
Chain links
Valve tool
Spare valve caps
Valcro straps


The steerer tube also has a swat tool system in it which has the chain breaker and swat tool in that.

I love it!
I’ve had some shit go wrong in the wrong places and I had everything I needed to keep me going.

The smaller pack has roughly half of that. Like I said I like to be prepared
The Australian bush can be harsh and dangerous at times, you gotta be ready for shit to go wrong.

What these soft Uk counterparts don’t realise is in Australia, everything is trying to kill you and you have to be so prepared for anything. Most rides, your lucky if you don’t hit a a kangaroo. They do some damage to both rider and bike. Also Magpies at this time of year... when they knock you off your bike, you’re glad you got 3 litres of water in your pack to cushion your fall. If you’re really lucky, you won’t land on a Brown Snake.

 

[CjP]

What these soft Uk counterparts don’t realise is in Australia, everything is trying to kill you and you have to be so prepared for anything. Most rides, your lucky if you don’t hit a a kangaroo. They do some damage to both rider and bike. Also Magpies at this time of year... when they knock you off your bike, you’re glad you got 3 litres of water in your pack to cushion your fall. If you’re really lucky, you won’t land on a Brown Snake.

This is true, just today I narrowly missed a kangaroo and a wallaby at the same time. It’s become standard pretty much every ride as I ride early.
I have yet to be graced with a Maggie kiss but I have ridden over a eastern brown.

Then there’s the spiders that build webs across trails. Love those..

 

[wepn]

Most rides, your lucky if you don’t hit a a kangaroo. They do some damage to both rider and bike.

For all those who are asking themselves - what's a kangaroo gonna do? Meet 6 foot 7 inch 200 pound Roger - actual ulaltered pic - able to launch 40 feet at 45 mph.

Just because Roger is no longer with us is no reason to feel safe - Roger's many muscular descendants will continue the mission.

 

[Eddy Current]

Any animal above 20 pounds is a dangerous thing, either as a mass you don’t want to crash against, either biting, scratching, or any attack

A kangaroo is actually a deadly threat. Plus, they don’t like integrated batteries, I know ...

 

[CjP]

Plus, they don’t like integrated batteries, I know ...

Must be an external attachment thing.

 

[outerlimits]

Here is a small snake and possum I came across the other day having a cuddle in the middle of the trail. I thought as sure as Feck, a Giant Goana is going to come along soon and eat these love birds. I just rolled them off the side of the trail and threw some leaf litter over them for a bit of privacy. The possum was having a grand ole time making some interesting orgasmic noises. Felt right they should be left alone.
Sorry if animal porn pics are against forum policy...

 

[Eddy Current]

How can I upload a video directly? I record a snake attacking my tires, I guess he was telling me just say no to plus tires



Animal encounters thread NOW!

 

[andytiedye]

Did you get a snakebite flat?

 

[wepn]

You can add media here

 

[Eddy Current]

Did you get a snakebite flat?

That WTB Bridgers are really tough, I’ve done all kind of tortures to those tires and they survive, including snake bites. But not grippy and too heavy. ?