Well I heard BS002 is quietest and M500 as well. But with bafang users I take this statement with grain of salt
Should you try M560 and maybe you would change your opinion Those tariffs war is only between USA and China. EU/UK/China without change so it's not about the tariffs. They can also export with special channels without taxes. E.g. greenbike. But if you can normally buy it in UK for 350 then good for you.
Just get on and sell the motor, you hate it, you spend all your days crying about it, go buy a Bosch and be happy.hould you try M560 and maybe you would change your opinion
Not sure if you read properly, but I already own Bosch gen. 4 smart system. Nobody is crying, I don't give a shit - I only wanted motor for my frame and Bafang was only option. I simply was not prepared how noisy it is and when I heard guys stating how silent it is then yes, I want to cry
Maybe there is not lot of a difference if you underwent all these customizations but the one negative stays - the noise. If you are fine with that good for you but as I said million times here (and own Dado hundred of euro for this for me it is very hard to accept and get use to it.There are a number of motor options both Dengfu and Light Carbon make frames for other than Bafang.
Educate me what frames Dengfu makes for different motors but bafang ? Light Carbon has Shimano frames but only up to L so is useless for me unfortunately.
Dengfu used to make both Shimano and Bafang Frames. Light Carbon also. Theres a number of frames coming through with Avionox, Light Carbon is rumoured to make the Teewing frame which is available in L and XL, I believe you should call Chill Shen who has them available as we speak.
At least for me. But there was also some other issue with assembly so after regreasing everything it's tad better now. But the bafang noise characteristic is still there as I've learned because I've bought also M510 and M600 motors M600 is the quietest but still this whining in higher RPM is present so seems this is standard with Bafang.Isn’t it possible to use python hack for offline mode? What motor do you have btw? I don’t have bigger issues with overshoot. It’s bit more than bosch and sometime title longer an unpredictable but at the end i don’t have issues with this on 560. Power delivery is not that bad either so don’t know maybe you have faulty torque sensor. I have this problem on m600 I’ve bought it like that from one greedy guy. He “forgot” to tell me. On that motor power fluctuates like crazy on climbs. Ordered new torque sensor so hope i will fix it and then i sell that motor. But want to compare noise levels with m560 first. m510 i also have for sell if anyone interestedz Brand new from Mirko from Germany. I found it less noisy but not that much what could compensate +500W of m560 power.
Ah where have you been for the last 18 months, Amflow is the bike, Avinox is their motor and battery system. Teewing are probably the first to offer frame, Avinox motor, battery and display only.
The M510 on 52 volt batteries gives you about 750W's, thats in Bosch territory ?
very few options with avinox. I know crusis is planning avinox xl bikes but only next year. I want a frame and motor only. Is there something like that now? XL?
You need to understand and I’m sure you do that wats on paper means nothing. And yes, bosch nominal power is 250W but it goes to 750W or so with gen5. And their power transfer is better so yes gen4 is stronger than m510. just enable turbo or auto and try yourself.I have 48v battery and m510 goes to 730W when fully charged. Still bosch is better motor. It’s only problem is lock at 25kmh but this is not bosch fault.
My M600 was as smooth as, but its downside was it had a cadence bias rather than torque. About 1200W's on 52 volt batteries and you could set KOM's climbs on Strava at will. Quietest of all the M motors by some way.
jeez... i still want factory product to do the thing . i know there are open softwares , open firmwares , canable cables etc . but i expect from manufacturer to deliver me the product as promised . i had tsdz2 , used with open firmware and the thing worked great , much better than way more expensive m600 i got later . but i was prone to burn easily and was ruining ground clearance which is one of the most important things in emtb .
You don't read very well do you.
i bet that avinox will require proprietary everything , that means battery will cost 2x or 3x$ compared to diy , display , cables etc , everything will be much more expensive
Over run is good, I like it on steep techical climbs and over things, quick little dab on the peddles and it will carry you through. The M510 I have has a little, just about right for my liking.
Go buy a Bafang engine then.
i have no problem with sound . misenko has . i only gave example of motor sound that my mate purchased recently . no complain so far.
dude i only pointed something - never said i want to buy one ....
Sory
not 4me. its a flaw and a serious one . no excuse from my point of view
no offence . i see this thread is kind of a mess ...
My both m560 motors have worked perfectly out of the box. Nothing needed to be done.Not sure if you read properly, but I already own Bosch gen. 4 smart system. Nobody is crying, I don't give a shit - I only wanted motor for my frame and Bafang was only option. I simply was not prepared how noisy it is and when I heard guys stating how silent it is then yes, I want to cry
You still arguing about the power but do you have some other arguments why Bafang is better than bosch ? Name one. And do not name upgrades, repairability etc. because for bosch you don't need any updates, it just works and I never had a single issue with it for more than 2 years and 10k+ kilometers. You have 2y warranty on a motor, what warranty you have with Bafang ? You are blindly defending Bafang without considering other aspects. This is called fanboy-ism.
And I didn't say I hate it, I've only said what I don't like so I don't understand why you simply can't admit these motors are noisy. I also say what I like. What about you ?
With the frame sets pushing 4 k . Is it a value considering the cost of the additional components not counting labor. I would enjoy building a bike just wondering if the economics add up.
Well mine motor is obviously faulty so I can’t blame it yet. I’ve ordered a new torque sensor, it really looks pretty weak, m560 seems has a better sensor. So let’s see. Mine goes only to 1000W I guess with 48v battery and m560 is obviously more powerful motor but let’s see.
A preco by som nebol s boschom som, ja som len poukazal na to, ze ten hluk je neunosny a mali by s tym daco robit, to je cele. Anavyse, nieje to len zvuk bafang ma kopu inych problemov, ludia to musia konfigurovat, custom firmware a pod.
That’s the price only for a frame or with motor? 4k is insane if only the frame. My dengfu e82 cost is maybe 600$ ? I’ve paid 2200$ with m560 motor and 1kW battery and shipping.
almost all frames can be adapted to bafang with simple adapter. sometimes they are very cheap . I have currently two shimano frames with m560 fitted . and I'm in the process of building huskvarna ebikes also with bafang and 1200wh batteries
Vice versa possible ?
e.g brose, shimano, bosch motors in bafang frame?
