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Ich lade einmal die Datei Bilder hoch!
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So wurde er ausgeliefert original
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Habe eine menge unterschiedliche Motoren und natürlich rahmenbau
Great, another brand that sells overpriced and rebranded Dengfu frames. Definitely not worth, to advertise here.510K views · 4.7K reactions | Test du Bewatt Code Rg en montée 🥵 | Aurelien Fontenoy
Test du Bewatt Code Rg en montée 🥵
Bro chill out, it's just a forum and who said I was advertising, I just popped in a video link where you can nicely hear the sound the motor makes with it's steel cogs. Peace, I am out...
I wasn't ranting on you in particular. Was just the total situation, that lead to it
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Der M560 ist ein schöner Motor ohne nach lauf und auch nicht zu laut ....ich sehe keine probleme und mit der Leistung unschlagbar.
Dado
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Could you try to write in english?
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Guys, looks like we have Christmas.
Got new revision of M560. Is with new firmware v1.6
But, it seems to me it has much much less noise! Like M510. Woohooo. New gears? Or "nylon" gear?
And if also one way bearing was redesigned (as more people have problems with this) that would be great. Funny that Bafang wont come out with such a news.
I was still stating it is the best engine. And we can have race against DJI. DJI will be ashamed.
In video is not a CAN bus battery (900Wh) and motor calculating 20km range at 80% of batt. These calculations are so wrong with Bafangs for years. There is preset capacity in a firmware - Bafang why you wont allow us to select battery capacity over Besst? Dont be crazy. Or implement learning function of battery capacity after few discharges to show range more precise.
Got new revision of M560. Is with new firmware v1.6
But, it seems to me it has much much less noise! Like M510. Woohooo. New gears? Or "nylon" gear?
And if also one way bearing was redesigned (as more people have problems with this) that would be great. Funny that Bafang wont come out with such a news.
I was still stating it is the best engine. And we can have race against DJI. DJI will be ashamed.
In video is not a CAN bus battery (900Wh) and motor calculating 20km range at 80% of batt.
These calculations are so wrong with Bafangs for years. There is preset capacity in a firmware - Bafang why you wont allow us to select battery capacity over Besst? Dont be crazy. Or implement learning function of battery capacity after few discharges to show range more precise.
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Do you have the tools to extract and share it?
Would be a huge win for the community 
If it makes other motors more quiet, we can enjoy this advantage, even without opening the motor.
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Hello.Do you have the tools to extract and share it?
If it makes other motors more quiet, we can enjoy this advantage, even without opening the motor.
Firmware does not make this motor quiet.
It is new hw. revision.(But there are software techniques which makes motors quiet - in EVs they doing a lot research on this matter)
We are looking forward to opening the engineGuys, looks like we have Christmas.
Got new revision of M560. Is with new firmware v1.6
But, it seems to me it has much much less noise! Like M510. Woohooo. New gears? Or "nylon" gear?
And if also one way bearing was redesigned (as more people have problems with this) that would be great. Funny that Bafang wont come out with such a news.
I was still stating it is the best engine. And we can have race against DJI. DJI will be ashamed.
In video is not a CAN bus battery (900Wh) and motor calculating 20km range at 80% of batt.
If I were to buy a new bafang motor in 2026 which version would you recommend and why?
I have a degfu frame with a first gen m510 that I believe has a dead torque sensor. I don't want to even attempt to repair it because that motor sucked anyway, especially on climbs.
I want to have a new motor with improved and reliable torque senfing and good climbing power. Your recommendations are very welcomed!
I have a degfu frame with a first gen m510 that I believe has a dead torque sensor. I don't want to even attempt to repair it because that motor sucked anyway, especially on climbs.
I want to have a new motor with improved and reliable torque senfing and good climbing power. Your recommendations are very welcomed!
if you have an 1st rev, just replace the controller by the 2nd rev will be upgrade a lot your motor. Better power and effiency. Replacing completely the motor by an M510RS you will changed completely in another world, with a little bit more consumtion.
So you prefer the m510 to m560? If so can you please elaborate?
Also what is so otherworldly about the 510rs? Can you please explain it in a more detail-oriented way? Will I be able to put it on my dengfu frame that uses an old school magnet based speed sensor?
Also what is so otherworldly about the 510rs? Can you please explain it in a more detail-oriented way? Will I be able to put it on my dengfu frame that uses an old school magnet based speed sensor?
The problem for i can't factually describe the differency between M510 rev1 and M510RS, i can't physically does same use than before (i'm injured) and i haven't ride the M510 since 1 year.
Before i ride enduro, long track on high moutain, the motor is just an help to going up and take fun on down. I used low assist with strong effort (to low consumtion and long ride) to able to ride 2000 m D+. Now i can only ride "XC", make easy track with low effort (with some slopes reaching 20% sometimes), with a lot motor help and less than1000 D+.
I can just said that it's more easy with the M510RS, than the shimano EP801 to climb (which was already more efficient than the M510 Rev2), the motor is more powerfull and efficient, Before with the M510 Rev2 it's difficult to use motor power on technical up. You easy loose adhesion. Now it's modulating the power delivered, in function of the adhesion and that change every thing. I find it also lot off more quietter than my shimano EP801 used lasr year. I think also more than M510 rev2 in my remember.
About the M560, i can't compare, i never ride it. But as i don't need more power than M510RS to climb. I don't see necessity to have an motor more heavy, more consumtion, more noisy (but it's seem that it have one less noisy now ?) and not EU rules compatible.
About the magnet sensor, I can't think you can use old magnet sensor in place of multipoints sensor. I have tested and it don't work. In add i think the power modulation is result of multipoints sensor. Will be pity of losing that improvement.
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I have corrected my return. for sensor assembly, see M510RS tread
If you need more power you can order an aftermarket INNOTRACE controller for your m510 from JLCPCB. You might need to make a new more powerful battery for it also though.
VESC based INNOTRACE motor controller for Bafang M560/510
Today is the day guys! Now INNOTRACE belongs to the people! It is like a Christmas miracle! The PCB and the firmware have been updated. I recommend to revive the old thread and include this into the first post, but it is up to you how you want to manage it...
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This controller could also allow you to diagnose your torque sensor (you can check your torque sensor outputs through the VESC Tool application with modified firmware for instance, it is tricky though and requires modifying the firmware source code). And if the problem with your torque sensor is like the output voltage shift rendered it useless with the Bafang controller you can bring your torque sensor back to live with this VESC based INNOTRACE controller adjusting the voltages in the firmware for your torque sensor (basically calibrating it).
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You have to take it apart!Guys, looks like we have Christmas.
Got new revision of M560. Is with new firmware v1.6
But, it seems to me it has much much less noise! Like M510. Woohooo. New gears? Or "nylon" gear?
And if also one way bearing was redesigned (as more people have problems with this) that would be great. Funny that Bafang wont come out with such a news.
I was still stating it is the best engine. And we can have race against DJI. DJI will be ashamed.
In video is not a CAN bus battery (900Wh) and motor calculating 20km range at 80% of batt.
Thanks for the advice, but I don't need power. I have a modded Talaria with 14kw peak, so I get my motorcycle experience there. No point trying to turn an emtb into a moto...If you need more power you can order an aftermarket INNOTRACE controller for your m510 from JLCPCB. You might need to make a new more powerful battery for it also though.
VESC based INNOTRACE motor controller for Bafang M560/510
Today is the day guys! Now INNOTRACE belongs to the people! It is like a Christmas miracle! The PCB and the firmware have been updated. I recommend to revive the old thread and include this into the first post, but it is up to you how you want to manage it...
This controller could also allow you to diagnose your torque sensor (you can check your torque sensor outputs through the VESC Tool application with modified firmware for instance, it is tricky though and requires modifying the firmware source code). And if the problem with your torque sensor is like the output voltage shift rendered it useless with the Bafang controller you can bring your torque sensor back to live with this VESC based INNOTRACE controller adjusting the voltages in the firmware for your torque sensor (basically calibrating it).
What I do need however is a smooth motor with good torque sensing and a motor that doesn't 'bog down' on uphills.
The m500 and later the m510 were a huge disappointment in that regards.
M500 didn't climb at all while m510 was somewhat better in that regards, but had lots of torque sensor issues and eventually the sensor died.
I have briefly tried once a rendition of the m560 and torque sensing was indeed better, however climbing performance was not quite there. The thing was still bogging down just like the predecessors, but it was somewhat offset by more power. So climbing was kinda ok, but draining the battery fast. I only had 1 ride on that motor, so my conclusions are preliminary.
Now I am looking for a better motor. Also I don't really mind the noise that much. Compared too Talaria the m560 is noticeably quitter and both are nothing compared to a 2t
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Its not something I seem to get on my FC2 M510. We climb almost trials like single track now ( what used to be the best downhill single tracks are now also the best and most challenging uphill single tracks) and some fairly long uphill sections without too much problem.
My biggest problem is me not keeping a good cadence when things get a bit tough, all motors will bog down somewhat if the cadence isn't right. The Bosch and to a lessor extent Brose motors, seem to have a lot of perceived punchiness ( torque ) at very low revs but they suffer quite badly at higher revs where I like to have my cadence with lack of power, that is down to Stator design.
Also I've widened my gear range a lot to 11 -52 with only a 32 or 34T on the front, sure you lose a bit of higher speed on the flat but most of my riding is single track below 25kph.
The issue is exactly the opposite. The motor bogs down at lower cadences uphill.
Also I am really not interested in getting this vesc based controller. I don't need more power coz it seems pointless nor do I want to tinker with it. This is not my main bike, I just need it to work for the occasional use.
Plus the 13s battery I have is staying and I am not intendinng to replace it.
Yes, plenty of people.
It is comforting to know that we are not alone in this valley of tears.
Hi Dado
I have this exact error on my Hybridizer with a M510
, it stays on and when I try to press the power button it says "error 30" what do you mean by "Important is not to eater motor, display, buttons."?Similar Threads
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