Connected a new motor to besst. The PAS modes were standard. Flashed version 1.5, the motor ran as it should at 1200+ W. Thank you Dado for the answers.
Bafang M560
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Waynemarlow
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Guys, starting to run into continuing problems with my M510 ( water incursion typically ) and are wondering if the M560 motor has been engineered significantly different around the chain wheel side to prevent water getting into that relatively unprotected bearing.
Have any of you now done a decent mileage to say its worth the extra 0.3kgs to get bettter reliability for example. Noise, my M510 is almost as quiet as any motor out there now it has been used and the gears worn into mesh with each other. has the M560 gears quietened down with use for you guys.
Sell me the idea of buying a M560.
Have any of you now done a decent mileage to say its worth the extra 0.3kgs to get bettter reliability for example. Noise, my M510 is almost as quiet as any motor out there now it has been used and the gears worn into mesh with each other. has the M560 gears quietened down with use for you guys.
Sell me the idea of buying a M560.
You shouldn't worry about the difference in weight, we can ignore it. Let's focus on: noise and power consumption. The noise will be much higher. If you're going to buy an M560, you're going to use its higher power, so it depends on what battery capacity you have and what kind of BMS in the battery you have, it could be two problems:
(a) less range
(b) insufficient BMS to provide full power to the motor.
On the other hand: don't count on the water resistance being better on the M560 than on the M510.
(a) less range
(b) insufficient BMS to provide full power to the motor.
On the other hand: don't count on the water resistance being better on the M560 than on the M510.
xtraman122
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I’m actually considering going from my M560 to an M510 for the quietness and I guess the reduced weight, although the weight doesn’t really matter to me at the end of the day. I’ve tuned my M560 modes to peak at about 600W on the modes I actually use, I’m pretty confident I could get all the power I actually want from an M510. Just wish the motors weren’t so expensive to ship.
Earlier this week I passed over 3k km mark. I have not done any maintenance on the motor yet. Though I have bought Mobil Mobilith SHC 100 grease for the motor since I saw someone recommend it for the motor. I have not been able to find the paper seal for the motor anywhere and to my knowledge it is not sold anywhere. I'm thinking of resealing the motor with silicone as they do with car engines. There are paper seal sheets for sale but I bet that cutting them will be a lot harder than just using silicone. If anyone has tips on how to do the maintenance or what else than removing old grease and applying new one should be done please tell me!
For me the motor has gotten slightly louder and there has been few times where the motor suddenly became louder than usual but then went back to normal after few minutes. I have not yet found a reason for this and will make an update if I find a reason for it when I do the maintenance for the motor. I ride year around and I get 600km monthly alone from riding to work and back. On top of that I do trail, enduro and some dh riding. When I ride between work and home I mainly use thumb throttle with full power for almost 20 mins each time. I have not noticed any problems with doing this. Though I'm sure this will cause more wear and tear on the motor and battery cells as I have to recharge the battery twice a day. That is if I use the thumb throttle which I do almost everytime. One way trip takes about 45% of battery charge from full. With pedaling only 15-20% depending on the wind. I assume my motor wear will be pretty much worst you can get since I ride long times with peak power year round in snow/rain/sun.
For me the motor has gotten slightly louder and there has been few times where the motor suddenly became louder than usual but then went back to normal after few minutes. I have not yet found a reason for this and will make an update if I find a reason for it when I do the maintenance for the motor. I ride year around and I get 600km monthly alone from riding to work and back. On top of that I do trail, enduro and some dh riding. When I ride between work and home I mainly use thumb throttle with full power for almost 20 mins each time. I have not noticed any problems with doing this. Though I'm sure this will cause more wear and tear on the motor and battery cells as I have to recharge the battery twice a day. That is if I use the thumb throttle which I do almost everytime. One way trip takes about 45% of battery charge from full. With pedaling only 15-20% depending on the wind. I assume my motor wear will be pretty much worst you can get since I ride long times with peak power year round in snow/rain/sun.
M510 produces about 750W if I can trust controller display... So it's even more than you have set on your M560
Use silicone, or better something like Dirko seal. On the one half put some oil (if you are gonna to open this motor in future it will be easier). Dont use too much of this silikone.
Waynemarlow
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My M510 is really quiet even compared to some of the Bosch Gen4's I ride with. I'm with you on the power needed, at the 52 volts I run with I seldom use full boost.
Waynemarlow
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Green Bikes now do the side gasket for the M510 and M560.
https://www.greenbikekit.com/bafang...motor-with-parts/bafang-m510-m560-gasket.html
https://www.greenbikekit.com/bafang...motor-with-parts/bafang-m510-m560-gasket.html
I have comparision to two CX 4gen motors. One of them I have from brand new, there is 1300km on it. It is really super quiet motor, my M510 at high cadency is louder.
The second CX 4gen I have from 1000km, it has about 2000km. From the beginning it was loud motor. Im going to open it and re-grease.
M510 under cadency of 80 is almost noiseless. When it cross this barrier it is getting louder, but it sounds like mosquitok
Waynemarlow
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Its not actually mechanical noise you can hear above 80 cadence, its the electronics controlling the motor to allow the higher cadences and supply maximum current at those higher cadences. A good example is if you listen to say a Toyota Prius, it makes not an unsimilar noise.I have comparision to two CX 4gen motors. One of them I have from brand new, there is 1300km on it. It is really super quiet motor, my M510 at high cadency is louder.
The second CX 4gen I have from 1000km, it has about 2000km. From the beginning it was loud motor. Im going to open it and re-grease.
M510 under cadency of 80 is almost noiseless. When it cross this barrier it is getting louder, but it sounds like mosquitok
Damn.. I asked them for it less than 2 months ago and they said they don't have it
shipping for gasket only is not worth it. Neither is the waiting time. Maybe I will buy these for the future. Thank you!
Dado
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Yep, can be that characteristic humming sound coming from controller/stator. Also this sounds are gone now from EVs.
In this case it comes also from the teeth in high cadence. Visible with M560, when pedalling it is OK. When pushing it to high cadence with throttle, is louder.
And question about noises of 510 and M560. It depends what you looking for. If quietness then M510 (anyway M500 was even quiter in high caddence).
If more power then M560. With just pedalling it is fine - noise loudness. Other bikers are not recognizing me, when catching them with normal pedalling. Loudness also depends, if you running 400W or full power.
In this case it comes also from the teeth in high cadence. Visible with M560, when pedalling it is OK. When pushing it to high cadence with throttle, is louder.
And question about noises of 510 and M560. It depends what you looking for. If quietness then M510 (anyway M500 was even quiter in high caddence).
If more power then M560. With just pedalling it is fine - noise loudness. Other bikers are not recognizing me, when catching them with normal pedalling. Loudness also depends, if you running 400W or full power.
Change of plans for me.. was riding yesterday and my motor broke. I think it could be the torque sensor.
When I try to start moving there is a feeling of resistance on pedals. If I push hard it starts to spin and assist but there is a faint sound of some gears grinding. If I stop pedaling and try to start again there is resistance from the motor again. The resistance is only when I try to engage the motor after the motor stops assistance. If I try to do this a few times after start up the motor stops giving power completely and doesn't work even with a throttle. If I keep motor running the whole time it will keep working until I stop engaging the motor and try to engage again. If I turn the motor off and then on again it works again but with the resistance problem. The screen also showed me speed sensor error 27 couple of times out of the about 15 I tried to figure the problem...
Motor is slightly over a year old from date of purchase and receiving it but less than a year since I installed it.. we are talking about 30 days past warranty apparently..
Urgent help needed!
When I try to start moving there is a feeling of resistance on pedals. If I push hard it starts to spin and assist but there is a faint sound of some gears grinding. If I stop pedaling and try to start again there is resistance from the motor again. The resistance is only when I try to engage the motor after the motor stops assistance. If I try to do this a few times after start up the motor stops giving power completely and doesn't work even with a throttle. If I keep motor running the whole time it will keep working until I stop engaging the motor and try to engage again. If I turn the motor off and then on again it works again but with the resistance problem. The screen also showed me speed sensor error 27 couple of times out of the about 15 I tried to figure the problem...
Motor is slightly over a year old from date of purchase and receiving it but less than a year since I installed it.. we are talking about 30 days past warranty apparently..
Urgent help needed!
vegasnight9
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I think I have the latest version. I'll just say this - that day has come.Guys, do somebody have experience with that new TS v3.4 ?
Do you feel some better behaviour? Maybe one day we will catch Bosch.))
The display shows 500C... is this how it should be with a 750W engine?
vegasnight9
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Thanks. I've ridden bikes with many systems from Bosch, through Yamaha, Dapu to Brose and in my opinion this new Bafang m560 is in no way inferior to the best on the market when it comes to pressure sensors in the crank. It works mega naturally and smoothly.
I pull mine apart every 500km, take all the cogs out, clean everything and grease all the bearings and put it together with fresh gaskets ($1 from ali).
The roller bearings under the big main cog seem to get the most wear. I use brake cleaner/wd40 to degrease them and an old tooth brush to get everything out, dry with air line and grease with SKF bearing grease.
1600km on mine now and it’s running perfectly with almost no water or dust ingress and it’s been through a whole dry season and half way through a wet season and washed and air line dried after almost every ride (or 2-3 rides in dry season)
xtraman122
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I still have yet to ride a Bosch/Spesh/any other mainstream bike but I really am impressed by my M560 once I got it tuned right. I just wish it could have been a little quieter. The M510RS should be Bafang’s best motor yet if they actually deliver on what they promise. Perfect amount of power and the M510 was already quieter and lighter than the M560
Can you link the gasket from Ali?
Do you need to use besst tool every time you take all the cogs out? I heard someone say you need to calibrate the motor if you take cogs out and not put them in exactly the same way.
No, you can take it all apart on the M560. It was the older motors like the M620 that you needed to calibrate the torque sensor, the M510/600/560 are completely different.
Here are the gaskets. You need both if you split the case fully.
Elektrische Fahrrad Wasserdichte Dichtungen Für Bafang MidDrive Motor Controller M500 M600 M510 Elektrische Fahrrad Zubehör - AliExpress 18
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Good to hear. Where the bearings easily removable or did you just open the cover while they were in place?No, you can take it all apart on the M560. It was the older motors like the M620 that you needed to calibrate the torque sensor, the M510/600/560 are completely different.
Here are the gaskets. You need both if you split the case fully.
Elektrische Fahrrad Wasserdichte Dichtungen Für Bafang MidDrive Motor Controller M500 M600 M510 Elektrische Fahrrad Zubehör - AliExpress 18
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The gasket you linked seems to be different than the original m560 gasket. Does it still fit properly?
Here is a picture of the original gasket.
I'll check one of the actual gaskets I have here tomorrow morning. I think sometimes the images might be wrong on Ali but I haven't checked the ones from my most recent order so I hope they are right.
I haven't changed any bearings yet, they have all been in very good condition, I just popped the seals off where I could and cleaned them up while they are attached to the cogs and shafts with brake cleaner and then air-lined to dry and re-greased them all. You will need some bearing puller tools to change them but they are all quite straight forward.
All the cogs come out like the attached photo, you have to wiggle some of them a bit. I recommend taking photos of each step so you can put it all back together after. There are a few o-rings and washers so be careful to remember where they go and watch out for the ones that stick to the case with grease.
Yeah true. The listing does say m500 m510 and m600. That's little bit weird since m510 and m560 has the same gasket but m500 and m600 has different gasket.
Yeah I figured bearing puller was needed this I asked. Thank you for everything. Very helpful!
I will receive my torque sensor tomorrow and will change it. I hope that is the problem with my motor and the change will fix it. I'm little bit worried that the new torque sensor needs to be calibrated but apparently in the m400 motor it didn't need calibration after the change. If it needs calibration I need to find someone or some local shop that has the besst tool for calibration since I don't have it..
I don't have time to wait for gasket to arrive from China so I will use silicone to seal the motor for now. Same as they do with car motors.
I have to remove this plastic piece before removing the torque sensor or it won't fit out.
Ok, I checked mine this morning and my aliexpress history. When I bought the first batch in October 2024 I received the correct ones. It seems my most recent order at the end of February, they are incorrect ones, glad this came up before my next service!
Looking at my order history it looks like the seller originally had the correct ones for M510/M560 and maybe replaced the stock with some wrong ones.
Greenbike and an Ali shop look to have the correct case gasket at a different shop, but not the controller gasket, so I've asked Chili Shen at Fieldebikes, she is a great resource for this stuff.
Greenbike Kit link
Aliexpress link
Yes I have seen greenbikekit has it but when ordered from there the price for each gasket sky rockets. Price for one gasket with shipping ends up being 16-30€, 8€ for gasket and 8-30€ for shipping and on top of some shipping options you have to pay tax also as it is not included in them. 8€ for gasket is already a lot but would be suitable if it had free or close to free shipping.
The AliExpress link doesn't seem to work, or is it just for me?
Are you able to message the seller on AliExpress and ask if they sell the correct gasket? Sometimes I have been able to have them list the item this way and available for purchase.
Dado
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With quietness is problem with this torque. Probably will be stripping nylon gear. But also dont understand, nobody yet have tried custom nylon gear in M560.
DJI has nice solution. Planetary gear and 3 nylon planets, so there is just 1/3 of power on each gear so it will stand easily.
Looking forward to Bafang to copy planetary gearing, but that can take 2 years.
And then we can get even to 1800W electrical. I did settle down, this 1kW mechanical is fine and not many hills which can stop you. But 1.2kW would be welcome.
@Sayonara see my images from 2023 about the bearings and assembly 
--> Bafang M560 #150 and Bafang M560 #151
--> Bafang M560 #150 and Bafang M560 #151
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