Avinox launch 1500w M2S motor and cheaper M2 motor

[Brawwp]

I'm yet to find a hill I cannot ride up with my Bosch Gen 4 (85Nm and 750w)

The Bike Park Wales ebike climb is technical and reaches 33% in some points, along with tight switch-backs over large roots. Turbo mode is already too much for these, practice and technique matters more.

Feels to me, hills that I couldn't get up would be unrideable anyway. e.g. one section of Snowdon Llanberis path up is push up regardless of the bike you're on.

For sure, if I had a M2 / M2S motor it would be possible to use higher power on some of the straighter up sections meaning an overall quicker time up, but that has the consequence of using more battery, so reducing the overall possible range, on bikes with a fixed in battery (majority of them) is less than ideal.

Also, at some of the smaller Bike Parks (FoD, Flyup 417, WindHill) i'm towing my son (65kg) up the climb on his 18Kg DH bike with zero issues.

So for me, upgrading to a bike with one of these new M2 motors is chasing a numbers one up game, rather than adding any value.

Yeah because your eyes only see power and wattage and not the whole benefit of Avinox.

The whole I won’t buy an Avinox because it’s too powerful and you don’t need that is so bizarre. Just don’t hit boost… tune the different maps however you want. The avinox delivers its power in the most natural usable way imo. There’s way more to Avinox than how powerful it CAN be.

Not saying sell your bike to go get one if you’re happy with it, but it’s crazy to me to leave out Avinox in your next bike decision just because it has power on tap if you want to use it..But whatever man, you do you

 

[action99]

I'm yet to find a hill I cannot ride up with my Bosch Gen 4 (85Nm and 750w)

The Bike Park Wales ebike climb is technical and reaches 33% in some points, along with tight switch-backs over large roots. Turbo mode is already too much for these, practice and technique matters more.

Feels to me, hills that I couldn't get up would be unrideable anyway. e.g. one section of Snowdon Llanberis path up is push up regardless of the bike you're on.

For sure, if I had a M2 / M2S motor it would be possible to use higher power on some of the straighter up sections meaning an overall quicker time up, but that has the consequence of using more battery, so reducing the overall possible range, on bikes with a fixed in battery (majority of them) is less than ideal.

Also, at some of the smaller Bike Parks (FoD, Flyup 417, WindHill) i'm towing my son (65kg) up the climb on his 18Kg DH bike with zero issues.

So for me, upgrading to a bike with one of these new M2 motors is chasing a numbers one up game, rather than adding any value.

You ride hills and some are so easy that you can tow your son, I ride high alpine trails some peaks are 3000+ m height, nothing to do with what you do.
We are not chasing numbers, we use the power and even more so a well manager power (have you ever tried a DJI on difficult single trail?) to go where before we would not go because we would need to push it too much. That this is not for you great, but stating that people don't need it shows a narrow view.

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

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7400' per hour, that's fast. Looked like he was against the 20 mph limiter (if thats the "22" seen on the display) on the climb ONLY putting in 150W on a ~ 7% climb. Sure, the battery only lasted 30 minutes.

 

[Trek-Rail-eBike]

You ride hills and some are so easy that you can tow your son, I ride high alpine trails some peaks are 3000+ m height, nothing to do with what you do.
We are not chasing numbers, we use the power and even more so a well manager power (have you ever tried a DJI on difficult single trail?) to go where before we would not go because we would need to push it too much. That this is not for you great, but stating that people don't need it shows a narrow view.

Selective reading

You missed/skipped past the first part of my post where I mentioned riding up technical 33% climbs
Sure, I tow my son up the easy trails, but the not the harder/steeper stuff, as he will be on his ebike for these, instead of his DH bike, or we use uplifts at the Bike Parks. (Fort William has no trail to ride up to the World Cup track)

As I said - the really steep hills that I can't get up, I very likely wouldn't be able to get up on any bike, regardless of the power & torque output, because the steepness and/or surface makes it impossible to ride up.

What's the climbing amount for rides with the 3000+ m peak height?
Avinox quoting a climbing range of between 1,400 to nearly 2,000 meters (800Wh battery) which I imagine will be using Eco mode, where power delivery is up to a maximum of 400 Watts, which is obviously much below what all of the older full power generation motors can deliver.

Yes, the mode power & torque can be changed in the app, but you will be typically scaling it down to prioritize battery range on the higher climbing rides.

 

[niceness]

Selective reading

You missed/skipped past the first part of my post where I mentioned riding up technical 33% climbs
Sure, I tow my son up the easy trails, but the not the harder/steeper stuff, as he will be on his ebike for these, instead of his DH bike, or we use uplifts at the Bike Parks. (Fort William has no trail to ride up to the World Cup track)

As I said - the really steep hills that I can't get up, I very likely wouldn't be able to get up on any bike, regardless of the power & torque output, because the steepness and/or surface makes it impossible to ride up.

What's the climbing amount for rides with the 3000+ m peak height?
Avinox quoting a climbing range of between 1,400 to nearly 2,000 meters (800Wh battery) which I imagine will be using Eco mode, where power delivery is up to a maximum of 400 Watts, which is obviously much below what all of the older full power generation motors can deliver.

Yes, the mode power & torque can be changed in the app, but you will be typically scaling it down to prioritize battery range on the higher climbing rides.

Depends on your weight etc and what mode you use but I did 1000 meters and 35 kilometers in original Auto/Trail mode with 50% of the 700 battery.

 

[action99]

Selective reading

You missed/skipped past the first part of my post where I mentioned riding up technical 33% climbs
Sure, I tow my son up the easy trails, but the not the harder/steeper stuff, as he will be on his ebike for these, instead of his DH bike, or we use uplifts at the Bike Parks. (Fort William has no trail to ride up to the World Cup track)

As I said - the really steep hills that I can't get up, I very likely wouldn't be able to get up on any bike, regardless of the power & torque output, because the steepness and/or surface makes it impossible to ride up.

What's the climbing amount for rides with the 3000+ m peak height?
Avinox quoting a climbing range of between 1,400 to nearly 2,000 meters (800Wh battery) which I imagine will be using Eco mode, where power delivery is up to a maximum of 400 Watts, which is obviously much below what all of the older full power generation motors can deliver.

Yes, the mode power & torque can be changed in the app, but you will be typically scaling it down to prioritize battery range on the higher climbing rides.

Yesterday tour, I started at 923m did 1758m elevation as it has a bit up and down to reach the peak at 2430m, 31km 90% single trails. I did a stop at the mountain hut for ~40min recharge and arrived back home with 4% battery left. So probably used ~1100 wh.

I'm sure that you with your skills you would have pedal it 100% on your current bike without using Turbo and without recharging and I'm happy for you.

Me, although it seems impossible for any human to use 130nm and 1300w (combined this time was 193nm), I did use trail /turbo a lot and compared to my old 85nm/600w bike I had to push only in two sections instead of 10+. So I'm super glad that DJI has created this motor and every tour I learn more and more how to use the power and clear more and more sections.

I'm sorry that, me, a below average joe, with M2s can now pedal where he had to push before and his having tons of fun doin it.

PS: maybe UK hills could be a bit different than Swiss Alps. This is 2998m (start is at 1656m):

 

[ShapeThings]

That ridge line image needs to go to pic of the day thread (I only know there is one because it happened to be in the “similar threads”
at the bottom of the page).

I imagine it’s the last place you wanna experience a gust of wind.

 

[haromania]

Yesterday tour, I started at 923m did 1758m elevation as it has a bit up and down to reach the peak at 2430m, 31km 90% single trails. I did a stop at the mountain hut for ~40min recharge and arrived back home with 4% battery left. So probably used ~1100 wh.

I'm sure that you with your skills you would have pedal it 100% on your current bike without using Turbo and without recharging and I'm happy for you.

Me, although it seems impossible for any human to use 130nm and 1300w (combined this time was 193nm), I did use trail /turbo a lot and compared to my old 85nm/600w bike I had to push only in two sections instead of 10+. So I'm super glad that DJI has created this motor and every tour I learn more and more how to use the power and clear more and more sections.

I'm sorry that, me, a below average joe, with M2s can now pedal where he had to push before and his having tons of fun doin it.

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PS: maybe UK hills could be a bit different than Swiss Alps. This is 2998m (start is at 1656m):View attachment 184733

Fantastic!!

 

[Red Peekay]

A link to Avinox's press release as a response to the "too much power" argument kicking around.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/avinox-releases-statement-regarding-emtb-power.html

 

[Polar]

A link to Avinox's press release as a response to the "too much power" argument kicking around.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/avinox-releases-statement-regarding-emtb-power.html

Wonder how many that has bought or will buy Avinox only because of the power and go all in to use the power as often as possible.
Avinox is bragging about their power and then release a press note telling ppl not to use it when they want to..

Power Is About Capability, Not Speed but in practice it's the other way around.

 

[Scott_123]

People are getting WAY into the weeds on this one. The M1 and M2 motors are the best on the market at the moment. Buy it, ride it, and enjoy it. Tune your bike the way you want and have fun. There is nothing wrong with having some extra head room in the motor department. On my M1 I run Eco and Auto [tuned to 85Nm] and at age 64 there is some truly gnarly stuff I would have never been able to do with an analog bike. For me, this is FUN.

 

[Euro]

A link to Avinox's press release as a response to the "too much power" argument kicking around.

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/avinox-releases-statement-regarding-emtb-power.html

The comments section is some craic. I’m gonna need a blue badge for my PX when arrives, so folk know the reason I bought a devil bike from the devil

 

[DirkWisely]

Wonder how many that has bought or will buy Avinox only because of the power and go all in to use the power as often as possible.
Avinox is bragging about their power and then release a press note telling ppl not to use it when they want to..

Power Is About Capability, Not Speed but in practice it's the other way around.

I don't know how many people are like me, but it's definitely not about speed in practice. 700-800wh is not enough for me to go faster than my current bike and still go the distance. If someone's ride was already running down the battery of their current bike with a average battery size then an Avinox won't be any faster on average.

 

[entrechats]

Just got my new bike yesterday and did only a quick ride yet. I tuned all the modes a bit down and did the ride in trail mode, it is pushing crazy. I think I will have fun with this M2S.