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STUnlocker (ex Shimano STEPS Unlocker) Android & Windows App for derestriction/market change and etc

Ergon_the_saddler

New Member
Feb 1, 2024
3
0
Denmark
Hi Vadll,

Do you know how the "Regulation change history" for a DU-EP800 works?

I had a user report with a red warning.
Then after reseting to default settings its no longer marked red but there is a timestamp for a regulation change.

Is this all the information the DU stores, that a change has taken place only, or dose it store more information?
 

vadII

E*POWAH Master
Feb 19, 2019
796
576
Earth
Hi Vadll,

Do you know how the "Regulation change history" for a DU-EP800 works?

I had a user report with a red warning.
Then after reseting to default settings its no longer marked red but there is a timestamp for a regulation change.

Is this all the information the DU stores, that a change has taken place only, or dose it store more information?
This is not STRide related question. Anyway, STUnlocker informs you which settings are not default and you HAVE TO change all settings back to default/stock before visiting dealer/shop center.
 

Ergon_the_saddler

New Member
Feb 1, 2024
3
0
Denmark
This is not STRide related question. Anyway, STUnlocker informs you which settings are not default and you HAVE TO change all settings back to default/stock before visiting dealer/shop center.
Right, my mistake. I just jumped into an active conversation with you in it. Should have been more active in choosing the right thread.

Still, do you have any knowledge about what happens on the Shimano side of things and how permanent/visible they will be?
 

Ergon_the_saddler

New Member
Feb 1, 2024
3
0
Denmark
I understand that the full accountability lies with me as a user, i am not questioning that and i understand your apprehensive reaction to my question. I am in no way waving my own total responsibility for using the software. I am only here asking for information that you may or may not possess about how shimano's "Regulation change history" works. Call it academy curiosity i you will :)
 

vadII

E*POWAH Master
Feb 19, 2019
796
576
Earth
You can see the "regulation log" in the STUnlocker. STUnlocker does not write into the log any data. Regulation log is used by Shimano to compare current settings of the motor with the factory settings. If you change settings to default you'll not see any warnings in Shimano software and Shimano will not understand if your bike was derestricted or not.
 

vadII

E*POWAH Master
Feb 19, 2019
796
576
Earth
EP801/EP6 overall Torque/Power settings are now adjustable in then new 1.18 version
So it's possible to make EP801/EP6 RS into the full power motor via Bluetooth
 

Big07

Member
Aug 23, 2020
22
8
Australia
Can a EP8-RS be derestricted via bluetooth? Or can this only be done via the pc interface? Also does the motor need to be on a specific firmware version to be derestricted? thx
 

vadII

E*POWAH Master
Feb 19, 2019
796
576
Earth
Can a EP8-RS be derestricted via bluetooth? Or can this only be done via the pc interface? Also does the motor need to be on a specific firmware version to be derestricted? thx
yes, as the normal EP8. For Bluetooth you need downgrade to 4.0.2 for the speed derestriction and then update to the actual firmware. With PCE interface the downgrade is not required.
 

Big07

Member
Aug 23, 2020
22
8
Australia
yes, as the normal EP8. For Bluetooth you need downgrade to 4.0.2 for the speed derestriction and then update to the actual firmware. With PCE interface the downgrade is not required.
Sorry, what do you mnean by "then update to the actual firmware"? I used stunlocker with an ep8 on a different bike. That time I just downgraded the firmware and have never updated the firmware since.
With the EP8-RS, do I downgrade the firmware, edit the cirfumference/region,etc.. and then afterwards upgrade the firmware? When upgrading do I use e-tube? or upgrade back to a specific version?
Also if I downgrade the motor firmware I could still edit the power/assist levels on the ep8-rs, right?
 

vadII

E*POWAH Master
Feb 19, 2019
796
576
Earth
Sorry, what do you mnean by "then update to the actual firmware"? I used stunlocker with an ep8 on a different bike. That time I just downgraded the firmware and have never updated the firmware since.
Why? The downgrade instruction tells that you have to update to the actual firmware, because 4.0.2 is too old and has many issues.

With the EP8-RS, do I downgrade the firmware, edit the cirfumference/region,etc.. and then afterwards upgrade the firmware?
Yes, exactly
When upgrading do I use e-tube? or upgrade back to a specific version?
Yes. To any, including the latest
Also if I downgrade the motor firmware I could still edit the power/assist levels on the ep8-rs, right?
No. 4.0.2 does not have PW/TQ settings. This firmware does not even know about RS version. 4.0.2 is required for the changing settings via Bluetooth only.
 

Big07

Member
Aug 23, 2020
22
8
Australia
Why? The downgrade instruction tells that you have to update to the actual firmware, because 4.0.2 is too old and has many issues.


Yes, exactly

Yes. To any, including the latest

No. 4.0.2 does not have PW/TQ settings. This firmware does not even know about RS version. 4.0.2 is required for the changing settings via Bluetooth only.
Ok, thank you so much. I wasn't aware that updating the firmware still allowed you to keep the modified speed settings in place.
 

Big07

Member
Aug 23, 2020
22
8
Australia
Question about derestricting a EP8.
A few months ago I downgraded the firmware on my ep8 and have adjusted the wheel size, etc.. However I have just left the motor running the lower firmware version.
Should I now update the firmware on the motor? If so do I just use the shimano e-tube app to update to the latest version?
I assume that if I update the firmware and then want to adjust the wheel size, etc.. I'll need to downgrade the firmware again, is that correct?
Just wondering if it's worth upgrading. I've heard that the older firmware has some "issues" but I've never seen any description of what those issues actually are.
 

temon10

Well-known member
Feb 8, 2022
673
562
Malang, Indonesia
yes, as the normal EP8. For Bluetooth you need downgrade to 4.0.2 for the speed derestriction and then update to the actual firmware. With PCE interface the downgrade is not required.
I have PCE cable so I can change Shimano EP800 RS to full power 85Nm directly???
 

dcpatters

Member
Mar 11, 2021
14
11
Southern California
Can someone suggest a fully functional file manager app which allows copying FW files across to the /Android/data/..... file systems for Android 12? Previously, I have successfully used "Cx File Explorer" but it seems Android no longer allows 3rd party access. Cheers.
 

webman

Member
Apr 13, 2022
62
33
Sydney
Any should work. You just need to enable access in the settings. Normally the app (file explorer) will pop up a notification and ask you to change the settings. I use root explorer
 

davosaurusrex

E*POWAH Master
Apr 21, 2018
616
366
Worthing
@vadII - mate's bike needs to go back for warranty on the motor. Can I just change everything back to default settings on Stunlocker and then connect to Etube and let it update everything to the latest firmware without a flag being set or similar?
 

R2thek

Member
Apr 10, 2022
82
24
Colorado
I have a 2021 orbea rise with a doggie ew en100 and not a didplay. Can I still use stunlocker to derestrict the motor to get 85nm? (Btw-I enjoy st ride and so don’t need/want a display)
 

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