How often are you using the bike? Most of us charge our phones most of a complete cycle every day. After 2 years I’m normally still over 80% capacity. If you really need your bike twice a week that’s going to over 6 years equivalent.
Avinox launch 1500w M2S motor and cheaper M2 motor
- Thread starter Rob Rides EMTB
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I am aware of the spec but have seen at least one reviewer saying it takes longer than advertised. He said it actually takes less than 3 hours. Maybe he misspoke and intended to say less than 2 hours?
That is a real issue, especially when it nears full charge, but what counts as 'fast' varies from cell to cell. Some can charge at 50 amps without much damage, while others explode at 5 amps. Generally, there is a tradeoff between capacity (number of watt-hours), power (charge/discharge amps), and cost. I don't really understand the chemistry, but it's hard to make a cell with both high capacity and high power, so those cells are expensive - and even the most expensive cells can't beat some cheaper cells at both of those things, so they have to prioritise.
If I'm right in thinking that all the Avinox batteries other than the 700 Wh one use LG M58T, I would tentatively expect using the 'fast' (12 amp) charger to degrade the cells fairly quickly. That's because, based on the LG data sheet, 12 A is higher than the 2.7*4=10.8 A maximum charge current for a pack with a 10s4p configuration (which the 800 Wh presumably uses), and much higher than the 2.7*3=8.1 A max for a 10s3p pack (600 Wh). But the engineers at Avinox aren't stupid, so they've presumably done some testing that suggests it will be fine for a reasonable number of cycles.
For my purposes, I would have much preferred they chose one of the many cells that has 10-15% less capacity but can charge at 2-10x the speed, allowing a full recharge in half an hour or so. That's because I tend to park up in my campervan and spend all day lapping the local enduro trails, returning to my van when necessary to recharge the battery. But if you mostly do long rides away from civilisation, you'll prefer the range of high-capacity cells, even if it takes longer to recharge. Plus I suppose it makes for better marketing to say you've got an 800 Wh battery that only weighs X kg.
I'm the oddball that wants slower charging. I always have at least 12+ hours between rides, so I would choose to trickle charge to be nicer to the battery. Specialized's fast charger lets you select the charging speed; and has a trickle charge option. I just don't need that capability enough to spend the money on the high-end charger.
It would be cool if the new Avinox charger also let you select charging speed.
It would be cool if the new Avinox charger also let you select charging speed.
The adjustable Specialized one is also the size of a small donkey and costs £420. I'm not sure how much of that size is necessary for the adjustability (my adjustable one off Ali Express is a similar size) but the Avinox fast charger is much smaller and lighter, though it still costs £280 and doesn't come with all bikes (e.g. the lower-end Amflows and Velduro Rogue get the slow charger).
You are counting the number of charge cycles however, not the charging rate. I don't know much about battery tech, but I presume the size of the battery as well as the chemistry partially dictates what constitutes 'fast charging'. Also, my phones are crap after 2 years!
I've never had a need to fast charge either, but it would be nice to have the option a couple of times/ year.
Slow Rider
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It makes sense that this should be possible. Does anyone have to hand the weight of the (latest?) 600wh battery that would go in the PR instead of the 800wh? I’d like to estimate the total weight the bike would become?
600Wh = 2.96kg
800Wh = 4kg
Red Peekay
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Or any of the Forbidden range...
However that being said, in the majority of cases, I take my bike home or to a place where I'm staying if riding regionally and charge during the evening or overnight. Rare for me to go all day and need a mid ride charge. So the slow charger will suffice.Further to the debate over charging levels, the Avinox program allows setting charging levels. Now, I assume the BMU limits charge to prevent overcharging, so why wouldn't they limit it to 80% even though it says fully charged (a bit like that scen in This is Spinal Tap where the amp goes to 11 and not 10)? I don't understand the technology enough to have a considered opinion, but if the BMU is limiting the overcharge, then if I then set it to cutoff at 80% am I now charging to a much actual level??
At the end of the day, how I set up the power usuage and levels in the app for the bike will determine how long I get out of the battery.
my levo 4 took forever to charge with standard charger. I was always rinsing battery tho!
My avinox with slow charger took 5 hours from 3% !
Or any of the Forbidden range...
Further to the debate over charging levels, the Avinox program allows setting charging levels. Now, I assume the BMU limits charge to prevent overcharging, so why wouldn't they limit it to 80% even though it says fully charged (a bit like that scen in This is Spinal Tap where the amp goes to 11 and not 10)? I don't understand the technology enough to have a considered opinion, but if the BMU is limiting the overcharge, then if I then set it to cutoff at 80% am I now charging to a much actual level??
At the end of the day, how I set up the power usuage and levels in the app for the bike will determine how long I get out of the battery.
I bought the fast charger seperately, only really use it when staying away riding
Someone in the Amflow FB group successfully transferred an M2S motor from a new Amflow to an old Amflow.
Caveat :
The speed sensor plug (and AXS) on the M2S are changed to 4 pin Higo Z405MM (Micro M) so you would need a new speed sensor or a splice to the new plug or 2.
Female version needed as below.
Speed and Derailleur power cable sockets are both different on the M2S. Good luck finding either.
When you say this do you mean different from the M2, or just different from M1? Both?
The M1 uses different connectors for the speed and derailleur power cable. The M2 and M2S use the same Higo Z405 plugs for both. There is a thread about it. We got M2S owners to post pics. I have an M1.
These plugs are near impossible to buy. Let alone getting the complete cable. They should start selling them in the future, but with the madness around Avinox Motors, it could be a while.
it's not this one ?
HIGO Cable Z405MM – 4-Pin – 1000 mm – Blue – IP67
IGO 4-pin cable Z405MM with 1000 mm length. Waterproof e-bike connector (IP67) for sensors and electronics.
shop.e-bike-technologies.de
I’d have thought the supply of M2 and M2S motors would be the longest pole in the tent so to speak.
Some suitable slim connectors and soldering iron and heat shrink would have it sorted.
It is that oneit's not this one ?
HIGO Cable Z405MM – 4-Pin – 1000 mm – Blue – IP67
IGO 4-pin cable Z405MM with 1000 mm length. Waterproof e-bike connector (IP67) for sensors and electronics.shop.e-bike-technologies.de
The operative pins appear to be :I’d have thought the supply of M2 and M2S motors would be the longest pole in the tent so to speak.
Some suitable slim connectors and soldering iron and heat shrink would have it sorted.
1 of the small pins,
and 1 of the small socket type pins.
SRAM Cable Pins :
Longer discussion thread
Starts with M1 then moves on to M2/M2S
For the M1 :
You need the SRAM AXS Cable (Higo Micro A ??). Most people seem to go for the 955mm option (but the 780mm is fine for most bikes 780mm 028.003).
Manufacturer Item code : 11.3018.028.001
Or SRAM Model ID : EP-EAC-ECD-A1
Search for either of those and you should find a selection of vendors.
It's expensive for what it is. You can buy the cable in two parts and make one up, which is cheaper, but it's not easy finding the two ends : Haven't seen them on aliexpress for example.
Example links to the diy option in this post (though not 100% Sure the motor end...
You need the SRAM AXS Cable (Higo Micro A ??). Most people seem to go for the 955mm option (but the 780mm is fine for most bikes 780mm 028.003).
Manufacturer Item code : 11.3018.028.001
Or SRAM Model ID : EP-EAC-ECD-A1
Search for either of those and you should find a selection of vendors.
It's expensive for what it is. You can buy the cable in two parts and make one up, which is cheaper, but it's not easy finding the two ends : Haven't seen them on aliexpress for example.
Example links to the diy option in this post (though not 100% Sure the motor end...
Roughshod
Member
They probably want all the impatient people to buy the more expensive bike first. With 60 brands releasing Avinox powered bikes there may also be a bit of a wait on motors, so you want to sell higher priced models first whilst people will pay for them before undercutting yourself with a cheaper model.
@zizajaun
When you say adjustable one from AliX ? Is that for the Avinox, or for other systems ?
Would really like to know what the pin-out for the Avinox charger is, just in case I can adapt my 2A 12V car charger to work with the Avinox !?
TIA
@Rob Rides EMTB Rob- Could you eventually do a range test (preferably elevation gain/vertical) to see how many feet you can get at 60 and 85 NM? That would be so helpful, for me!! Being a guy who is often on a regular MTB, I do not need that much power (I stay between 45-60 on my Shuttle AM) but I want to see if I can get 7,000+ ft of climbing from the Avinox if tuned down. You can even turn the Assist levels down.
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Not likely. It costs too much to sit on inventory to do it for marketing reasons. More likely is they just built PX before PR. They might have (smartly) chosen to manufacture PX before PR for the reason you’re theorizing about, but I’d be surprised if Amflow is sitting on a full inventory of PR products as a strategy to sell PX.
Roughshod
Member
That's exactly what I was trying to say, they built the higher end models first. Not sure where you got that I was suggesting they are sitting on stock from, I even said motor stock might be limited, we're on the same page
Red Peekay
Active member
Yeah, hearing the same thing about the impending release of the Forbidden eDreadnought... the orders for the top two Tiers will be filled first and then the lower two tiers. I guess they want to get their premium bikes out there first and stoke the hype. That being said, the bottom two tiers will run the M2 motor whereas the top two the M2S, so may also be tied into what Amflow are supplying...
Highland Wheels
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@Rob Rides EMTB what is Ecopl on the M2S? Seen it on your Megamo clip
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