Avinox launch 1500w M2S motor and cheaper M2 motor

Vision_Tim said:
This begs the question, what exactly is Shimano doing with their motors? Have they given up and moved to more mainstream street bikes at this point?
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They were sitting on the bottom as it was, now they've had to shuffle over on the losers bench as a few others need a seat too :ROFLMAO:

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cozzy said:
Does the vpn speed change still work though .You know, for those of us who live in nz ..
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Probably one of the biggest questions and seems to be unanswered yet.

My 'M1' which I suppose it's called now, has plenty of power. I ride in Auto 99% of the time and there are still 3 more powerful setting above that, trail/turbo/boost.

The thing that sets it apart is the ability to get around the nanny-state rule here in Aus of 25kph, by using our closest neighbours setting aka... NZ by VPN.

I would order the new PX Carbon as I like the burlier build, the adjustable geo and the sleeker look of the bike, then selling my current PL. I'll be swapping the fork, wheels, bars etc... anyway so need for the pro build.

The main issue is the ability to make this bike even do 32kph here in Aus, never mind 45kph. Will the VPN still work on the M2's ?

Will definitely not be moving to M2 until this is confirmed.
 
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claudiobosticco said:
here New Avinox M2S and M2 Motor System on Test: The Rise of DJI? the FP700 is said to use 4680 cells, but looking at its size and shape, that seems questionable.

The dimensions just don’t really line up what you'd expect for a 36V battery built with 4680 cells - feels more like a different or custom cell format.

Curious if anyone has solid confirmation on this.
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There is video on their website which shows the internals of the battery:

Avinox Antriebssystem – Akkus – Avinox

They are probably using 4650 batteries.

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ozzybmx said:
Probably one of the biggest questions and seems to be unanswered yet.

My 'M1' which I suppose it's called now, has plenty of power. I ride in Auto 99% of the time and there are still 3 more powerful setting above that, trail/turbo/boost.

The thing that sets it apart is the ability to get around the nanny-state rule here in Aus of 25kph, by using our closest neighbours setting aka... NZ by VPN.

I would order the new PX Carbon as I like the burlier build, the adjustable geo and the sleeker look of the bike, then selling my current PL. I'll be swapping the fork, wheels, bars etc... anyway so need for the pro build.

The main issue is the ability to make this bike even do 32kph here in Aus, never mind 45kph. Will the VPN still work on the M2's ?

Will definitely not be moving to M2 until this is confirmed.
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I've seen people claiming to have seen the bikes in person who said NZ still works, but I know I'd want more confirmation than that before buying. I am unclear how important NZ really is now though, at least for buyers in a lot of regions, as my understanding is the Amflows here in the states were able to be switched to Class 3 mode (45kph), and it seems like the new bikes from them, and at least some others, will be similarly enabled. As evidence, I cite the special info box on the Pinkbike Crestline launch article (https://www.pinkbike.com/news/all-crestline-2026-pre-orders-ship-with-avinox-m2s.html). It said "All Crestline complete bikes and frames ship configured for Class 1 compliance. Upon activation, the system determines the maximum assisted speed based on geolocation and applicable local regulations. Riders may access system settings within the app after accepting the applicable terms and conditions. Riders are responsible for ensuring their bikes are operated in accordance with local laws and trail regulations. Any changes to system settings are made at the rider’s discretion and may affect where the bike can be legally operated."

If I am reading this correctly, it is saying that while the bike will geolocate and automatically set the default speed limit for the area, after that the rider can accept their terms and conditions and access system settings to override the default...but if you do, the consequences are on you. That is somewhat similar to how the Levo 4 and I think the earlier Amflows would default to Class 1, and then on each ride the user would need to manually switch it to Class 3. I am guessing that they do that both as an encouragement to keep things reasonable, and also so the user needs to constantly reaffirm that they are increasing the speed deliberately. That will prevent situations where someone could claim that they didn't remember they'd switched the Class, or that a friend/mate had switched it and didn't tell them, etc...I think the Levos also very prominently display "Class 3" on the screen when in that mode.

Not sure how that may or may not be different down under, but the Crestline press release implies that the setup applies everywhere.
 
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TheKaiser said:
Not sure how that may or may not be different down under, but the Crestline press release implies that the setup applies everywhere.
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Cheers, hope that is the same here. Going to go test ride one and check the size before ordering, current is a Med, hoping to fit the Med on the M2. Will definitely be confirming the speed setting before though.

Not much use buying a Lamborghini that tops out in first gear :cool:
 
Wojtek said:
Thank you, Sir!

So the removeable 800wh seems to be using the new batteries that dont limit the power.
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Yes and No. The removeable 800wh battery is able to hit 1500w in Boost mode (for 30-60 sec), but it can't continuously operate at 1500w, so it is limited in duration. The new 700wh battery, on the other hand, can operate continuously at 1500w, due to the new cells being able to keep up for extended periods of high discharge. Just wanted to make sure you got that distinction, since it sounds like it's important for your buying decisions.

Avinox M2S + 800 Wh removable battery (RS800)
Regular modes: 1,300 W / 130 Nm
Boost mode: 1,500 W / 150 Nm
Avinox M2S + 700 Wh
Regular Modes: 1500 W, 130 Nm
Boost Mode: 1500 W / 150 Nm
 
TheKaiser said:
Hey Rob, can you comment on the quick swap removable battery pack lengths, and their placement in the PR model? I see the removable 800wh battery is kind of heavy relative to it's internal counterpart, but I was curious if it's length or placement lower down may actually give the front end a lighter feel than the 800wh integrated battery. Similarly, the 600wh removable battery is actually quite light, and I'd wondered if the PR model with a 600wh battery swapped in could be a pretty sweet setup for shorter rides, or is the mass still located up by the headtube?

I'm just thinking that if the weight distribution is the same or better with a PR, then a hot setup might be to have a 600wh and 800wh, so you could choose the appropriate capacity for a given ride, OR swap them for long days spent lapping a given trail center, OR stack them using the 600 as a range extender for the occasional backcountry epic (even if it is a sort of clumsy looking setup).
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Already replied in : Post #115
 
TheKaiser said:
Hey Rob, can you comment on the quick swap removable battery pack lengths, and their placement in the PR model? I see the removable 800wh battery is kind of heavy relative to it's internal counterpart, but I was curious if it's length or placement lower down may actually give the front end a lighter feel than the 800wh integrated battery. Similarly, the 600wh removable battery is actually quite light, and I'd wondered if the PR model with a 600wh battery swapped in could be a pretty sweet setup for shorter rides, or is the mass still located up by the headtube?

I'm just thinking that if the weight distribution is the same or better with a PR, then a hot setup might be to have a 600wh and 800wh, so you could choose the appropriate capacity for a given ride, OR swap them for long days spent lapping a given trail center, OR stack them using the 600 as a range extender for the occasional backcountry epic (even if it is a sort of clumsy looking setup).
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I haven’t actually got the 600 on the PR yet. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to try it out.

The more I think about it the PR just seems to be such a decent overall package.
 
Question to Rob please.

Sizing preference for 6/3 tall person. XL or XXL? I believe you are around around that height and rode a XL? Would you go longer?

Thanks
 
Loamranger said:
Question to Rob please.

Sizing preference for 6/3 tall person. XL or XXL? I believe you are around around that height and rode a XL? Would you go longer?

Thanks
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It’s not a big XL. But I’d not go XXL personally on the to keep front and rear balanced. Running slackest head angle extends the front centre a bit too to get more wheelbase. As does the longest chainstay setting.
 
terro said:
There is video on their website which shows the internals of the battery:

Avinox Antriebssystem – Akkus – Avinox

They are probably using 4650 batteries.

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Thanks for the link - so these are custom-developed cells. Pretty impressive.

Beyond all the updates and new features of the Avinox system (and the bikes built around it), the 700 Wh battery might actually be the most significant step forward here - even if motor numbers are what get most of the attention.

It also makes you think, considering how long some brands kept shipping 18650 packs even when 21700 cells were already widely available. It kind of reinforced the idea that the eMTB segment was too small to justify real battery innovation - which this seems to challenge.
 
Zimmerframe said:
Already replied in : Post #115
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Thanks. I'd read that post and found the info valuable, but it seemed to be referring only to the Gen 1 600wh and 800wh integrated batteries, as well as the new 700wh integrated battery, hence my question specifically asking about the new Gen 2 removable batteries.
 
Petrex said:
Nice interactive graph.
👍 Thanks for the link
M2S seems much the same in this test with either the 700Wh or 800Wh battery. #1
M1 comes in at #2
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The main power difference between the new 700Wh and the old 800Wh battery can only be seen with a high cadence (where the motor goes to the peak power). You can see this in the "Cadence Behavior - Absolute"
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Also a main difference is the thermal performance decay - the stability of the new battery is insane:
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FYI : Amflow support:

Based on the feedback from our internal R&D team, due to specific hardware and component designs, the Avinox M2S motor is exclusively compatible with the Amflow PX and PR series. Unfortunately, it does not support the PL Series at this time.
 
dadeadduck said:
FYI : Amflow support:

Based on the feedback from our internal R&D team, due to specific hardware and component designs, the Avinox M2S motor is exclusively compatible with the Amflow PX and PR series. Unfortunately, it does not support the PL Series at this time.
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The speed sensor has 4 pins, 1 on the older bike. Rest the same.
 
Wojtek said:
The speed sensor has 4 pins, 1 on the older bike. Rest the same.
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Yes and the new speed sensor is on the Amflow website, I believe.
Just happened to see the review video this morning where he does specifically this to fit an M2S into his M1 Teewing for his review. Presumably Teewing sent him just the engine as he already had a review sample M1 version.
 
dadeadduck said:
FYI : Amflow support:

Based on the feedback from our internal R&D team, due to specific hardware and component designs, the Avinox M2S motor is exclusively compatible with the Amflow PX and PR series. Unfortunately, it does not support the PL Series at this time.
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..wait, what? I thought all this was backwards compatible?
 
Polar said:
The fun part is when someone disagree with Alex and prefer their own echochamber they got no counter-arguments but hate him and top in out by naming my post crap.
Even though I'm not allowed to laugh I will 😂🙏🏻
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Yeah, you have to agree with Alex.
He's the only impartial reviewer out there.

e.g.
"Yo dude
I watched your video first to get a true perspective on the motor

It sounds This motor is just power with little power plus at 1300watts is illegal as its over 750 watts

I bet when I watch Rob rides video on it he'll be having a orgasm on it"

Plus how come ?
He and the other guy can't get up anything other than a gravel track ?
Thought they were experts, but they keep having to stop when they are using the M2S ?
Strange !
 
derkoe said:
The main power difference between the new 700Wh and the old 800Wh battery can only be seen with a high cadence (where the motor goes to the peak power). You can see this in the "Cadence Behavior - Absolute"
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Also a main difference is the thermal performance decay - the stability of the new battery is insane:
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Thanks for the extra info 👍

Do you think I will notice much difference if I get an M2S compared to my Levo 3 ?
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Rob Rides EMTB said:
It’s not a big XL. But I’d not go XXL personally on the to keep front and rear balanced. Running slackest head angle extends the front centre a bit too to get more wheelbase. As does the longest chainstay setting.
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Hmm, what about 194cm (6‘4-6‘5)? dont know if i can test it. Own the Levo gen2 XL though, which is probably like XLish.
 
I love the removable battery option, but the cost to own a second one seems way ridiculous. USD was $900(ish) Yikes.
 
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