Avinox launch 1500w M2S motor and cheaper M2 motor

ozzybmx said:
Holy sheet... they should have dribbled this release to us, we have Amflow, Atherton, Pivot... and all the rest, all at once, released at the same time.

I am spinning on YT, dont know what to watch... most have the same info but what a release of bikes. Its like Christmas day for eebers :love:

EDIT: Except other motor makers, for them its doomsday.
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This begs the question, what exactly is Shimano doing with their motors? Have they given up and moved to more mainstream street bikes at this point?
 
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Not knocking the new release at all. The commitment to lower noise & improved efficiency is admirable and provides real improvement that was in fact needed.

That said, the driveline situation is going to get interesting as Hell over the next 6 months. Certain riders are going to absolutely munch through their 12sp mega $ cassettes and chains are going to be an 'every 3-weeks' disposable part for some.

It's funny to me that my 2 week old CX-R is practically an SL motor comparatively, and I've turned it down further! LOL
 
Radoslav88 said:
my lucky day was today. 1 month ago i ordered my first full suspension emtb - a basic avinox m1 ebike from a local czech manufacturer crussis .just got a confirmation from my bike shop that it will be delivered with an m2S motor instead of the m1 next month. so happy🥳. if you are waiting for your avinox m1 ebike to arrive please check with your bike shop what motor u will get . u might get a nice suprise.
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I was considering the Crussis but seems the new M2S model only has headset routing so I'm out.
 
MOG said:
I was considering the Crussis but seems the new M2S model only has headset routing so I'm out.
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That is the Alloy one 11.11

The 12.11 Carbon ones are frame routing.
 
MOG said:
I was considering the Crussis but seems the new M2S model only has headset routing so I'm out.
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As someone who recently bought and worked on my first HCR bike, it's not a big deal, and in my very unpopular opinion, it's a nice advantage.

Buy SRAM Transmission and the power cable that plugs in to the Avinox motor. Buy the new KS Lev electronic dropper that plugs into Avinox (or an AXS dropper like I did), then have one single rear brake able entering the HCR. It's clean, has notably less steering restriction, works with the brake on either side, it's more aero (ok, I feel a little silly typing that one!), and it's no different than running a rear brake line through a frame anyways. It still has to be bled when you remove it.
 
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Suns_PSD said:
As someone who recently bought and worked on my first HCR bike, it's not a big deal, and in my very unpopular opinion, it's a nice advantage.

Buy SRAM Transmission and the power cable that plugs in to the Avinox motor. Buy the new KS Lev electronic dropper that plugs into Avinox. Then have one single rear brake able entering the HCR. It's clean, has less restriction, works with the brake on either side, it's more aero (ok, I feel a little silly typing that one!), and it's no different than running a rear brake line through a frame anyways. It still has to be bled when you remove it.
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woah woah... wait. What? KS makes a post that hardwires into the Avinox? Why am I only hearing about this now?
 
because it was just announced, not much more is known. like, if you can run both the dropper AND transmission
 
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As Sethimus pointed out, the KS is a new product. It's also the future. Expect all high-end droppers to be this way in <2 years.

Also, I saw that my CX-r has multiple unused power ports, at least I think that's what they are.

As I recall, my bike was only utilizing 1 of these plugs stock, the large one, and the rest which I assume are for accessories, had rubber caps on them.

Think of the possibilities. Headlight, dropper, shifting... those Germans are crafty and very well might have future proofed the Gen5 motors in this way.

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Avinox product development has some fast cycles! Not sure how reliable all these motors are but that speed is impressive. I have no interest in them but I see the draw and they will sell well, I bet.
 
Do we have any info on 700 vs 800 wh length? Im guessing they are about the same, shame as I feel like my amflow is a little front heavy. Not a huge deal but still
 
@Rob Rides EMTB with all these new avinox bikes is there any chance you could do a catch up thread for new users. How setting compare to other brands, your settings for range, power laps, etc. Good options for sim cards (although I think I read somewhere that some of the Amflows include data but not sure it applies to other brands). I see you commented on one of Alex bike riders videos to try and explain to him how to set it up to get a more "torque based" feel as he puts it (although he did seem to ignore you) but I can't find it now.
 
derkoe said:
E-BikeLab has already tested the motor on the testing stand: E-Bike Motor Power Test - Who is the strongest? | E-Bike Lab

Video about the motor (in German):
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Thanks for sharing - i am an engineer and this is by far the best source of info for me I have read today about the new motor (no disrespect to our honourable host Rob who makes super accessible and yet informative content).

The Thermal performance graph says it all about how vastly superior the cells used in the 700Mah pack are. Mega kudos to Troydon for thinking ahead and having new pre-made holsed in the down tube to accommodate that batter pack should the user really want it. Such a small change and so much flexibility.

It's also super interesting how according to their test both 700 and 800 battery deliver marginally different peak power (sub 1200) while Avinox datasheet says otherwise - I'd love to understant why the big discrepancy: E-Bike Motor Power Test - Who is the strongest? | E-Bike Lab

(PS: not having FOMO about the 700KwH/1500W combo: I bought the Velduro and I am super happy with what I am getting on the 800kwh battery on the M2S - I just find the e-bike lab interestingly contradicting Avinox stance - and maybe it's all about making the difference more accessible to the general audience who finds "thermal management" a difficult concept to grasp :)
 
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So ...
The RS600 "Range Extender" will fit the PR and PX models (depending on room in the front triangle).
Should also fit other M2S/M2 bikes therefore, depending on available room, I presume ?
Will it be compatible with M1 bikes ??
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Following, just in case anyone figures out how to buy just the motor + battery. I really want to build my own frame for this.
 
How does this new motor fit in with class 1 legal limits here in USA? 750W is max power allowed. Just curious as there will no doubt be some haters trying to use this as a way to ban all emtb. Here in Colorado emtb class1 been legal for 8 years so I dont see it being overturned but some areas that are considering making class legal might run into some haters
 
I think here in CO- as long as you are not obviously blasting through trails pissing everyone off, it will be fine. Too many incidents occur and they will start to have rangers start checking. They don't do anything now so let's hope it tays that way, especially since Class 1 ebikes are being accepted in more and more places and trails in Colorado and Utah.
 
rabitec said:
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(PS: not having FOMO about the 700KwH/1500W combo: I bought the Velduro and I am super happy with what I am getting on the 800kwh battery on the M2S - I just find the e-bike lab interestingly contradicting Avinox stance - and maybe it's all about making the difference more accessible to the general audience who finds "thermal management" a difficult concept to grasp :)
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I'll take it. That battery could power my ebikes, my EVs, my house and a couple of neighbors;)
 
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Rob Rides EMTB said:
1500w continuous power with 700wh battery, 130 torque and 150nm boost mode for 60 seconds.

With 800wh / 600wh batteries, it’s 1300w continous. Same 150nm boost.
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So, how does the round 700 mount inside the cavity of an existing bike designed for the 600/800? You mentioned that Crestline can doe this, but is this a custom capability? Is Avinox providing some kind of mount adapter for other bikes? And can the the 700 work with with an M1? Edit: I appears that the 700 battery is too tall so would not universally fit bikes built for the 600/800 battery. Even Crestline its seems only got this working with their largest sizes.
 
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slickrock said:
So, how does the round 700 mount inside the cavity of an existing bike designed for the 600/800? You mentioned that Crestline can doe this, but is this a custom capability? Is Avinox providing some kind of mount adapter for other bikes? And can the the 700 work with with an M1?
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It simply uses the top bolt hole that a 600wh battery would use (underside of downtube) and Troydon made another bolt hole lower down nearer the bottom of the bike (about 10mm lower than the other bolt hole for the 600).

So the downtube has 3 bolt holes. It can fit every battery length / bolt pattern.

The 700wh battery actually sits lower down as a result.

Simple, but effective.
 
Rob Rides EMTB said:
It simply uses the top bolt hole that a 600wh battery would use (underside of downtube) and Troydon made another bolt hole lower down nearer the bottom of the bike (about 10mm lower than the other bolt hole for the 600).

So the downtube has 3 bolt holes. It can fit every battery length / bolt pattern.

The 700wh battery actually sits lower down as a result.

Simple, but effective.
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Can you comment on the front end ride feel of the 600,700 and 800 offerings. I have a 181.2 on order with a 800w battery. I was planning to get a 600w spare for a daily driver. With the new 700 sitting lower in the downtube, is this a better option over a 600wh as a spare? I imagine the 600s will be discontinued and difficult to obtain.
 
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Can you comment on the front end ride feel of the 600,700 and 800 offerings. I have a 181.2 on order with a 800w battery. I was planning to get a 600w spare for a daily driver. With the new 700 sitting lower in the downtube, is this a better option over a 600wh as a spare? I imagine the 600s will be discontinued and difficult to obtain.
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Honestly it’s negligible. Maybe if back to back tested I might notice, but I can’t say I can tell that much difference. Bit like having a water bottle on the frame and drinking the water on a ride, can’t really notice much difference!

But for me the 700wh is the best option because it’s quicker and easier to change. The 800 requires the screen to be removed as there is a bolt on the top side of the battery.
 
Interesting that they decided to go with such massive REs. 600+600 is the smallest you can do, and personally I'd struggle to use that up before the rest of me gives out.

Maybe it's more practical to use up if you really gulp that power down. Even in turbo on my levo it's hard to use up the battery + RE.
 
A lot to take in, new guys heads are spinning!

Using a 600w as a range extender is lunacy.

The PX and Atherton truly look less emtb than some mtbs. We've come a long way.
 
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Rob Rides EMTB said:
Honestly it’s negligible. Maybe if back to back tested I might notice, but I can’t say I can tell that much difference. Bit like having a water bottle on the frame and drinking the water on a ride, can’t really notice much difference!

But for me the 700wh is the best option because it’s quicker and easier to change. The 800 requires the screen to be removed as there is a bolt on the top side of the battery.
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Hey Rob, can you comment on the quick swap removable battery pack lengths, and their placement in the PR model? I see the removable 800wh battery is kind of heavy relative to it's internal counterpart, but I was curious if it's length or placement lower down may actually give the front end a lighter feel than the 800wh integrated battery. Similarly, the 600wh removable battery is actually quite light, and I'd wondered if the PR model with a 600wh battery swapped in could be a pretty sweet setup for shorter rides, or is the mass still located up by the headtube?

I'm just thinking that if the weight distribution is the same or better with a PR, then a hot setup might be to have a 600wh and 800wh, so you could choose the appropriate capacity for a given ride, OR swap them for long days spent lapping a given trail center, OR stack them using the 600 as a range extender for the occasional backcountry epic (even if it is a sort of clumsy looking setup).
 
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