Bafang M560

@Tomblarom I'm switching out the sensor and noticed that my old sensor is version 2.1.
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But the new sensor I bought is version 2.0. I couldn't find any information about the differences. Any clue?
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Was it tricky to remove the torque sensor? I suspect mine is dead too. It was behaving on and off, and now it seems to have stopped working all together. Looks like I might need to order a new one. Do I understand no calibration is needed? Please keep us posted when you'll manage to replace yours. Also I am a bit concerned as I have one of the older m510 versions and wondering if the newer ones will actually work.
 
Was it tricky to remove the torque sensor? I suspect mine is dead too. It was behaving on and off, and now it seems to have stopped working all together. Looks like I might need to order a new one. Do I understand no calibration is needed? Please keep us posted when you'll manage to replace yours. Also I am a bit concerned as I have one of the older m510 versions and wondering if the newer ones will actually work.
No. Very easy. Only need to remove the C-clip on the torque sensor so you can remove the main gear. Open the smaller cover. After that remove the other gears and the plastic guide. After that you can just use a rubber mallet and hit the torque sensor out.

Calibration is needed. Or at least for me it is not sure if it's everytime.

M510 and m560 share the same torque sensor. Confirmed by bafang. I have not found out what the difference is between versions 2.0 and 2.1.
 
Change of plans for me.. was riding yesterday and my motor broke. I think it could be the torque sensor.

When I try to start moving there is a feeling of resistance on pedals. If I push hard it starts to spin and assist but there is a faint sound of some gears grinding. If I stop pedaling and try to start again there is resistance from the motor again. The resistance is only when I try to engage the motor after the motor stops assistance. If I try to do this a few times after start up the motor stops giving power completely and doesn't work even with a throttle. If I keep motor running the whole time it will keep working until I stop engaging the motor and try to engage again. If I turn the motor off and then on again it works again but with the resistance problem. The screen also showed me speed sensor error 27 couple of times out of the about 15 I tried to figure the problem...

Motor is slightly over a year old from date of purchase and receiving it but less than a year since I installed it.. we are talking about 30 days past warranty apparently..

Urgent help needed! 😭

Update: the new torque sensor version 2.0 does not work even after calibration. After all it seems like the controller is the broken part after all. I got assistance from LBS and they have contacted Bafang. Bafang said that the m510 250w has the same torque sensor as m560 so it should have worked. They contacted Bafang again to ask why the torque sensor does not work even after calibration. I suspect the broken controller is not able to properly do the calibration even though besst tool days calibration was done successfully.

Now we are waiting for a reply from Bafang and after that we will most likely order a new controller and I'm hoping it will arrive soon... Controller needs calibration for sure after installation.
 
New update.. I just received a phone call from the bikeshop. They have been messaging Bafang or their Bafang supplier about my motor and apparently the torque sensor they sold me and the rest of the sensor they were sent from the factory are defective.

When I left my bike with them. I had installed the new torque sensor in the motor. The new sensor didn't work at all. Only the thumb throttle worked. They calibrated the sensor but it didn't start working.

He tried another torque sensor and now my motor does not turn on at all and the besst tool is not able to read the motor. After this they installed my original torque sensor in and the motor still won't turn on and the besst is not able to read the motor.

Now we are waiting for more responses from the factory and I have to wait for them to figure this shit out and then wait for the new parts to arrive and hope it gets fixed.. I should have just ordered a new motor....
 
New update.. I just received a phone call from the bikeshop. They have been messaging Bafang or their Bafang supplier about my motor and apparently the torque sensor they sold me and the rest of the sensor they were sent from the factory are defective.

When I left my bike with them. I had installed the new torque sensor in the motor. The new sensor didn't work at all. Only the thumb throttle worked. They calibrated the sensor but it didn't start working.

He tried another torque sensor and now my motor does not turn on at all and the besst tool is not able to read the motor. After this they installed my original torque sensor in and the motor still won't turn on and the besst is not able to read the motor.

Now we are waiting for more responses from the factory and I have to wait for them to figure this shit out and then wait for the new parts to arrive and hope it gets fixed.. I should have just ordered a new motor....
That sucks, my suggestion was going to be your last sentence as well, with the relatively lose cost of these motors compared to others out there, it’s almost worth it to just have a spare motor on hand. I’m surprised Bafang hasn’t just sent the bike shop a replacement.
 
That sucks, my suggestion was going to be your last sentence as well, with the relatively lose cost of these motors compared to others out there, it’s almost worth it to just have a spare motor on hand. I’m surprised Bafang hasn’t just sent the bike shop a replacement.
Well since it's out of warranty I guess Bafang does not care. Not their problem.

I got a tip from Facebook group that my problem sounds the controller pcb would be broken. The guy said he has had multiple broken from m510 and m560 motors.
 
Well since it's out of warranty I guess Bafang does not care. Not their problem.

I got a tip from Facebook group that my problem sounds the controller pcb would be broken. The guy said he has had multiple broken from m510 and m560 motors.
Didn't realize it was out of warranty, makes sense then.
 
Well since it's out of warranty I guess Bafang does not care. Not their problem.

I got a tip from Facebook group that my problem sounds the controller pcb would be broken. The guy said he has had multiple broken from m510 and m560 motors.
My friend had a broken controller on an M620 and his bike would work on throttle but not assist peddling
 
@Dado I got a notification that you replied to my message here but I can't see it?
Not sure what happend.

Hearing now lot of issues with turning on/off with bafangs and also lot of power outages after some time of riding (M500 and M510).
 
Anyone see that new bafang m560 is listed to have 150nm of torque on bafang site, any news on that?
 
Anyone see that new bafang m560 is listed to have 150nm of torque on bafang site, any news on that?
It’s all marketing noise at this point IMO. My M560 500w had 5 power modes, I almost never used the 5th mode, it was just too much off-road. Occasionally used 4.

Similar with my Amflow. They bang on about numbers but I had to dial trail mode down to 650w /90Nm just to use it on the steepest climbs I ride.

Maybe there is some benefit on a cargo bike I have no idea of, but it sounds like the focus from China is to throw a bigger number out there to be perceived as having their nose ahead without any real context to how and when that peak power is ever used.
 
Anyone see that new bafang m560 is listed to have 150nm of torque on bafang site, any news on that?
In order to believe that, I want to get my hands on the firmware, that verifiably delivers the claimed numbers! If I remember correctly, Bafang released the M560 750W motor with 48V 30A firmware, only to reduce it down to 25A again. So maybe they lift it back to 30A again, to cover their "new 150nm". 😂 Their marketing can't be taken serious..
 
In order to believe that, I want to get my hands on the firmware, that verifiably delivers the claimed numbers! If I remember correctly, Bafang released the M560 750W motor with 48V 30A firmware, only to reduce it down to 25A again. So maybe they lift it back to 30A again, to cover their "new 150nm". 😂 Their marketing can't be taken serious..
any idea on how someone would be able to get that new firmware?
 
any idea on how someone would be able to get that new firmware?
Yeah, the usual way: From a seller that conveniently has it as file. Or by extraction from the MCU, from a controller that has it. Actually, it's all a bit theoretical. So far, there are no controller or firmware known to have the claimed 150nm.
~Only Bafang knows~ 🥴
 
Yeah, the usual way: From a seller that conveniently has it as file. Or by extraction from the MCU, from a controller that has it. Actually, it's all a bit theoretical. So far, there are no controller or firmware known to have the claimed 150nm.
~Only Bafang knows~ 🥴
This is sad but true, and this disaster of a situation with their software will be what makes me most likely buy a more mainstream bike for my next go round when it’s time. I love the DIY build process, being able to pick a frame and color, all your components, etc. I also really like being able to just buy a new motor or battery if I want without dealing with a LBS/retailer. Just wish we had more frame only options for Bosch or DJI bikes.
 
This is sad but true, and this disaster of a situation with their software will be what makes me most likely buy a more mainstream bike for my next go round when it’s time. I love the DIY build process, being able to pick a frame and color, all your components, etc. I also really like being able to just buy a new motor or battery if I want without dealing with a LBS/retailer. Just wish we had more frame only options for Bosch or DJI bikes.
Yeah I have to say, as much as I enjoyed my M560, the Avinox system is in a different world on my Amflow. I saw all the hype and I have to say it’s real. Being able to dial in power settings on the bike while out on the trail and the ability to have assistance value ranges is amazing. Bessst was a pain in the ass!

Oh and it’s virtually silent which has turned out to be a bigger bonus than I was expecting.
 
Interesting.
Yes, has planetary primary gearing and is silent.
750W version has exactly same power as DJI.
 
Thats all confusing that wattage. And we need to make it straight.

Bosch is measuring at chainring. Mechanical power and is 750W peak.

M560 750W version - this is like a continuous power. (Hence standing more conti, even 900W).
Display is writing input electrical power and is 1250W (actuall batt volts times DC current from battery). Which is cca 1000W mechanical at chainring (you can count 75% to 80% efficiency).

Is faster than DJI, not overheating and not lowering power then, but more weight. I just now got to 105C degree on a looong and steep hill to Kralova Hola (1000m ascent at full power and no pause).

Does not matter much about cadence, important is to have shifted good gear to be able to pedalling (then is rotor in good rpms). You mean "ideal cadence" at best motor efficiency? Or at peak torque, or peak power? Can find the power curve of M560.
 
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Can not find now all the curves on the dyno including efficiency. It is usually at the point where torque is bending first time down.

Good cadence here is from 70 to 120 rpm. (If we can trust to this measuring, they just renumbering torque as they want)

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Here is M620 dyno characteristics.

Nicely seen, that input electrical power (Pin) and output power (Pout) at chainring. (chain is loosing very little up to 1 or 2%)
And also very good efficiency here in a big range (I am surprised about this, as at higher torque efficiency should go sooner down).

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Here max efficiency 85% at 88 RPMS .
 
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Got some news about the supposed bafang m560 150nm version from Chili: "I've asked, and the motor hasn't changed; it's just that they previously set a lower value, but now it's the normal value&"
 
Anyone here know how to fix shaking when the motor engages when u start pedaling? I have cranks torqued correctly.
 
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