Forbidden DreadNought E

Plummet said:
Nah, nowhere near that. When its next out ill weigh it.

The additional adapter to fit a 400 is like 40 grams.

Of course there is standard mounting hardware, but all bikes have battery mounting hardware to some degree. So thats kinda moot.
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Right on, I’d be curious to hear the weight with mounts. Crestline certainly uses a better mounting solution than many Bosch bikes.
I’d considered doing one with my cx5 mondraker, but no off the shelf solutions, so wasn’t worth it to trade 200wh for 500g (weight of a 400wh in the mondraker with adapters is 2500g).

The Avinox batteries mount with just two 5g screws in the dread-e no need for end plates. Avinox got that right with the battery packaging.
 
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ntm95 said:
Right on, I’d be curious to hear the weight with mounts. Crestline certainly uses a better mounting solution than many Bosch bikes.
I’d considered doing one with my cx5 mondraker, but no off the shelf solutions, so wasn’t worth it to trade 200wh for 500g (weight of a 400wh in the mondraker with adapters is 2500g).

The Avinox batteries mount with just two 5g screws in the dread-e no need for end plates. Avinox got that right with the battery packaging.
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I actually discussed this with Plummet on the Crestline thread, but all in all, the lightest setup I can get on the crestline is about 50lbs with the 400wh, With the Dreadnought-e at 600wh battery, I can get it 2lbs lighter. I would gladly take a 400wh battery on an Avinox system to make it even lighter but such battery existed.

Although it's not all about the weight, it was the massive geometry shift on Forbidden bikes that made me pull the trigger. I tested the higher stack + reversed stem setup and completely changed the handling on the Crestline. I reckon with the lighter avinox setup along with that style of cockpit setup, it would put me really close to the feeling of a regular enduro/dh bike.
 
iJak said:
I actually discussed this with Plummet on the Crestline thread, but all in all, the lightest setup I can get on the crestline is about 50lbs with the 400wh, With the Dreadnought-e at 600wh battery, I can get it 2lbs lighter. I would gladly take a 400wh battery on an Avinox system to make it even lighter but such battery existed.

Although it's not all about the weight, it was the massive geometry shift on Forbidden bikes that made me pull the trigger. I tested the higher stack + reversed stem setup and completely changed the handling on the Crestline. I reckon with the lighter avinox setup along with that style of cockpit setup, it would put me really close to the feeling of a regular enduro/dh bike.
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I'm 47lb with the 400wh in. The bike feels fantastic with the light front end. I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. i'll probably riding this out for another 2-3 years. We'll see what sort of tech crazyness has been released then. Hopefully a light weight and refined mgu so I can ditch the derailleur!
 
After all my sizing shenanigans (LBS adamant I'm a S4 at 6'1" and even double checked when they rang last week to notify me about possible landing dates here in Oz), I settled on a S3 based on everyone's feedback here.
Watching this interesting video, they argue everyone is oversized.
I did the calculations on 186cm at the minus RAD and it came out as 455.7 reach, which definitely rules out the S4. I'm definitely not a S2.
S3 it is. Now to get 2 ladders a test their theory!
Food for thought.

 
Red Peekay said:
After all my sizing shenanigans (LBS adamant I'm a S4 at 6'1" and even double checked when they rang last week to notify me about possible landing dates here in Oz), I settled on a S3 based on everyone's feedback here.
Watching this interesting video, they argue everyone is oversized.
I did the calculations on 186cm at the minus RAD and it came out as 455.7 reach, which definitely rules out the S4. I'm definitely not a S2.
S3 it is. Now to get 2 ladders a test their theory!
Food for thought.

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I remember watching that vid back in the day.
A lot of their “revelations” stemmed from Lee’s need at the time to only ride with a somewhat extreme hip hinge.
It’s dated info for sure, even for its time.

The trend towards downsizing was driven mostly by the relatively poor f/r ratios available in large and xl bikes up until somewhat recently.

You’ll be good to go with the s3, unless you are all torso and no legs. Maybe need a 50mm stem at worst.
I’m 6’, 20mm of spacers under a 40mm stem, 35mm rise bars, on a s3 and it’s perfect.
 
Red Peekay said:
Will be interested to see how it looks when stickered up...post some shots.
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So it turns out I ended up cancelling the Dreadnaught E once I saw a sneak peek photo of the new Orbea Wild with Avinox. So I've got one of those on order instead. But the Dreadnaught E is a very nice bike. I rode my friend's for a bit today and it's super plush and fun.
 
brendand said:
So it turns out I ended up cancelling the Dreadnaught E once I saw a sneak peek photo of the new Orbea Wild with Avinox. So I've got one of those on order instead. But the Dreadnaught E is a very nice bike. I rode my friend's for a bit today and it's super plush and fun.
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Ooooooo😋 got any photos of that? I was always keen on the Orbea Wild.... unfortunately I'm now committed to the Dreadie...
 
Plummet said:
I'm 47lb with the 400wh in. The bike feels fantastic with the light front end. I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. i'll probably riding this out for another 2-3 years. We'll see what sort of tech crazyness has been released then. Hopefully a light weight and refined mgu so I can ditch the derailleur!
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MGU is dead. The power is getting so high that 3 speeds might be in order soon.
 
Suns_PSD said:
The Gen3 Rotary with the Volks is a nice touch.
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It wasn't a rotary for long, converted to good old LS power.
The stock 13b was slow in stock sequential format, and temperamental at best in built single format.

2760 pounds wet, 510whp, 50/50 weight, and naturally aspirated for reliability. Decently quick for a moderate amount of power, ran in the 10's on the street at 2200+ feet of elevation, and terrorized the local clubs on lapping days. Only faster FD for lap times around these parts was also LS swapped, running a quaife sequential gearbox, and a proper aero package.
Sold it last year, as we are in the process of downsizing to facilitate a move out to the western edge of Alberta, to be closer to the mountains and bike parks. I miss it, but comfort myself with things like e-dreadnoughts :giggle: .

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Suns_PSD said:
MGU is dead. The power is getting so high that 3 speeds might be in order soon.
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By that token, derailleurs could be dead as well, along with chains and take-up clutches. Putting only 3 gear speeds into a mid-drive motor won't be that hard and I can see DJI easily doing this with an arm tied behind its back.
 
The LS3 is hard to beat when you consider packaging, overall weight, reliability, etc. Those 13b's like to do weird stuff, like loose compression on synthetic oil, blow seals, etc.

You can't get anything short of a Miata or an old Lotus that light any longer.

I have a photo of my own built LS3 somewhere around here...
 
brendand said:
There's an Orbea Wild with Avinox thread here with a photo. It's pretty accurate from what I've seen.
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I sell both Forbidden and Orbea, I've owned a few Wilds now. Sold my 2025 Wild and I'm happy I went with the DreadnoughE over the new upcoming Wild. I hate the amount of pedal kickback the Wilds have in their suspension design. Especially when jumping and hitting drops on them.
 
jbrown15 said:
I sell both Forbidden and Orbea, I've owned a few Wilds now. Sold my 2025 Wild and I'm happy I went with the DreadnoughE over the new upcoming Wild. I hate the amount of pedal kickback the Wilds have in their suspension design. Especially when jumping and hitting drops on them.
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Great feeback, thanks for the insight. Still patiently waiting for the Dreadie to land, apparantly it's a long, long way to ship dem bikes to the land downunder! I'm being told end July but probably August now. Of course will believe it when I see it. I was told that on the Druid Core I ordered in April last year and it didn't land until Jan this year....
Of course the upside was I cancelled that and upgraded..🥳😍
 
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jbrown15 said:
I sell both Forbidden and Orbea, I've owned a few Wilds now. Sold my 2025 Wild and I'm happy I went with the DreadnoughE over the new upcoming Wild. I hate the amount of pedal kickback the Wilds have in their suspension design. Especially when jumping and hitting drops on them.
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Not discounting your personal experiences, but mine have been wildly (see what I did there?) different than your own. But the Wild does need a coil shock, due to its nearly 40% progression. An air shock will have lots of hydraulic lock, which will feel approximately like PK.

The new RS with the TQ40, which the new Avinox Wild is going to emulate, is noted for its extremely plush and DH focused rear suspension design (low Anti-squat) that is offset by the Neo rear shock.
 
Suns_PSD said:
Not discounting your personal experiences, but mine have been wildly (see what I did there?) different than your own. But the Wild does need a coil shock, due to its nearly 40% progression. An air shock will have lots of hydraulic lock, which will feel approximately like PK.

The new RS with the TQ40, which the new Avinox Wild is going to emulate, is noted for its extremely plush and DH focused rear suspension design (low Anti-squat) that is offset by the Neo rear shock.
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I had the opportunity to try both a bosch wild, and by chance, the rs (on separate occasions).
He isn't lying, the wild reminded me of the wa1 arrival 170, in that it "walls up" hard deeper in it's travel. Can almost buck/collapse you on repeated large drops/steps. It's great the rest of the time, but there is a "harshness" on bigger hits. That was with a coil.
The rs was the number one candidate for an ochain that I've ever tried. Somewhat inconsistent feel out of the rear. It was fine, until it wasn't. Likely the lack of a motor clutch combined with too much progression. Really was the fly in the ointment with that bike, everything else was very cool.
I can confidently say the e-dread outperformed both in the kinematics department quite handily. As one would expect of a more complicated high pivot design, and the foibles that come with that design.

PS-No hater here, I'm planning to buy the wife an avinox wild once they're on the market. Can't beat that dropper insertion.
 
I did some decent drops and what not on my Wild (before getting injured) and it was like butter back there. So much plusher and smoother than my Relay. Actually, used the exact same shock on both bikes.

But I look forward to getting more time on it when this knee is more healed up.
 
Suns_PSD said:
I did some decent drops and what not on my Wild (before getting injured) and it was like butter back there. So much plusher and smoother than my Relay. Actually, used the exact same shock on both bikes.

But I look forward to getting more time on it when this knee is more healed up.
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It's really good, as is the arrival 170 I mentioned.
But you'll notice it more on things like multiple ledge drops, or moto style whoops, not necessarily single hits.
It's just an idiosyncrasy of the kinematics. Everything is a tradeoff and balancing act.
 
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