Cockpit cleanup - Lose the LED Remote

andybobbill

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Aug 9, 2023
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Hi all.

Following on from this thread, I wanted to share my update here for anyone else that hates the LED remote ;)
Some of this may be specific to the Trek Rail but I think it could be broadly useful for a lot of people.

Caveat:
If you have a Kiox 300 like me and are still interested in using it without the LED remote, it won't have full functionality (yet) with this hack, but it can be made useable with the new software that was released yesterday (8/8/23)

Context:
I have a Trek Rail 9.8, Gen 3. I don't like the LED remote as it is clumsy, ugly, and gets in the way of my dropper post lever (IMHO). I had explored retrofitting a System Controller, but it will not fit in the hole in the top tube that currently houses the Kiox display mount.
I did discover via the thread linked above, that a Mini Remote will work with the LED Remote, and so I bought and set one up accordingly. I had to keep the LED Remote (now pushed way inboard and rotated under the bars) as it runs the whole show, and I also used it to switch between Kiox screens. It was also required to switch the bike on and off, so couldn't really do much else about it.
I think in an ideal world I would do away with the Kiox also, but since the mount is sort of integral to the frame I may as well keep it in place for now, plus I occasionally use it for navigation.

Epiphany:
I had removed the battery cover from my RIB system as some grit had found it's way in and was making a nasty noise, so I went to clean it and do some sealing of the gaps. It was then that I spotted the ON/OFF button on the battery, conveniently located under a small hole in the cover. Now I had a way to switch the bike ON/OFF without the LED Remote.
Yesterday, the new software that allows you to edit the display layout on the Kiox was released, and I disappeared into the garage...

The job:
My goal was to completely hide the LED Remote while maintaining all of it's functions. The plan was to hide it inside the frame.
First up, access to the headtube void - remove the top battery mount/lock mechanism. This is well covered in other threads so I won't go into it here. After disconnecting the LED Remote and pulling the wire back into the frame, I pulled all the wires out the way, and broke out the sticky-backed Velcro. The heavy duty stuff is very strong, and will not let go. It's not the regular stuff.
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A decent chunk of the hook side stuck inside the headtube. In the foreground is the base of the lock mechanism, in the background you can see the fork steerer:
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A patch of the loop side stuck on the LED Remote, making sure not to touch any of the buttons:
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Shove it in. Took a bit of wiggling to get the positioning right, especially as I have massive hands. The main point is to get it far enough forward so it is well clear of the lock mechanism, but not touching the fork steerer, and that no buttons are squashed against the inside of the frame.
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A couple of small zip ties to bunch up the wires inside:
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Re-mount the lock mechanism:
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Fire it up and away we go:
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So now I can use the Mini Remote to change ride modes and acknowledge warnings with the centre button. I can't switch between screens on the Kiox, but using the new software I've set up the single screen with the info I want:
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If I need to use Navigation, I can re-order the screens using the app. Not a problem as I would have to be on the app to sort the route etc anyway.
And there it is. Excuse the mess in my garage, but that is a lovely clean cockpit if you ask me :)
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Hope this helps someone else in the pursuit of Nirvana!

EDIT: Forgot to mention, although you can see it in the final pic, I have a OneUp EDC in the steerer tube so I always have a small allen key to poke in the hole and turn the bike on/off wherever I am. A neat side effect of this is it's a small way to make it more difficult for a scrote to pedal off with it if they can't figure out where the ON button is :LOL:

EDIT: I have recently dropped the fork to replace a bearing and while I had the head tube open I realised this can be done from that angle too, if your fingers are nimble enough. I also wedged in a chunk of pipe lagging to keep the remote from shaking loose. It takes a fair amount of abuse in that position and no matter how good the Velcro, it can rattle a bit.
 
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Bummers

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So you made a hole in the battery cover in order to reach the button? Anything covering it to stop water and muck getting in?
 

andybobbill

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Aug 9, 2023
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So you made a hole in the battery cover in order to reach the button? Anything covering it to stop water and muck getting in?
No, the hole was/is already there on the Rail. Just didn't realise what was under it until I had the cover off the battery to clean it out.
Nothing to cover it as the whole thing is pretty porous really. There are so many gaps around the battery and motor I assume Trek just designed it that way.
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RipGroove

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It's a shame Bosch just doesn't redesign the big ugly remote into a smaller streamlined version that would just plug in in place of the current one and allow us to buy it and retrofit it. Making that 'Mini Remote' is almost just a kick in the teeth because it's so close to what we want but not quite there, all it needs is a couple more buttons and be able to be plugged in in place of the current one.
 

andybobbill

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Aug 9, 2023
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It's a shame Bosch just doesn't redesign the big ugly remote into a smaller streamlined version that would just plug in in place of the current one and allow us to buy it and retrofit it. Making that 'Mini Remote' is almost just a kick in the teeth because it's so close to what we want but not quite there, all it needs is a couple more buttons and be able to be plugged in in place of the current one.
Yeah it’s definitely not made for anyone with a dropper post either.
The one positive is that with the Smart System, it is possible they might make a better version in future we can swap out. Fingers crossed!
 

mrplaff

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Aug 10, 2023
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I was going the same route, but aborted because of a bunch of diagnostics requiring plugging into the LED-remote. I would like to warn about the danger of using sharpish object on the power button located behind the cover. Got mine ruined this way, as it’s meant for pressing with your finger tip. Warrantied battery otw, luckily I got a spare battery, and have been waiting 4 weeks for i to arrive so far. Either place something hard on the button to distribute the pressure, or make a bigger hole for your finger tip.
 

JP-NZ

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Feb 17, 2022
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Yeah it’s definitely not made for anyone with a dropper post either.
The one positive is that with the Smart System, it is possible they might make a better version in future we can swap out. Fingers crossed!
You can replace the LED remote with a Purion 200, could then lose the Kiox300 as well>?

 

andybobbill

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Aug 9, 2023
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Update: Seems like if you upgrade to the Nov '23 firmware you are stuck with an initial screen showing smartphone connection that you cannot move away from. FFS bosch I just had this the way I wanted it...
 

andybobbill

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Aug 9, 2023
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Update 2. I’ve done what I should have done months ago and bought a system controller and stuffed inside the frame in a bit of pipe lagging. Finally I have a Gen4 Rail and as a plus it’s got a frame mounted Kiox 300 😂

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Spin

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Update: Seems like if you upgrade to the Nov '23 firmware you are stuck with an initial screen showing smartphone connection that you cannot move away from. FFS bosch I just had this the way I wanted it...
Thanks for guinea pigging on our behalf !
Seems like Bosch stuff this up every other time. There's nothing in the update for me so I guess I'll see how long before it is forced or installs itself in the future.
 

pinoymamba

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Nov 26, 2023
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I'll be tucking in my controller next week. I'll share photos during the process. I didn't really feel like spending the money on the smaller controller so hopefully my frame has enough space.
 

JP-NZ

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Update: Seems like if you upgrade to the Nov '23 firmware you are stuck with an initial screen showing smartphone connection that you cannot move away from. FFS bosch I just had this the way I wanted it...
I'm on the Nov23 firmware and I don't have that screen at the start. All I have is the usual distracted riding warning.
 

pinoymamba

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I got it all paired and ready to go but the selection button doesn’t toggle the screens but in the Bosch YouTube video they showcase that it can. Am I doing something wrong?
 

andybobbill

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Aug 9, 2023
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I got it all paired and ready to go but the selection button doesn’t toggle the screens but in the Bosch YouTube video they showcase that it can. Am I doing something wrong?
No. This is why I shelled out for the system controller in the end. The scroll doesn’t work on the mini remote if you have the LED remote. Seems the system knows which controller you have.
 

pinoymamba

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Nov 26, 2023
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No. This is why I shelled out for the system controller in the end. The scroll doesn’t work on the mini remote if you have the LED remote. Seems the system knows which controller you have.
Bosch strikes again! Thanks for the reply.

Just purchased the BCS3100… $111 🤮
 
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pinoymamba

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Well that was a failure. I had plugged it in connected to my phone all was well but it wasn’t connecting to the mini controller. It would just quickly go past the connecting screen and go to “there was an issue”. So I went ahead and upgraded to the new firmware. As soon as it was completed it gave me a 112001 error… thought I bricked my bike so I threw on the old LED controller and working fine again. I won’t be updating that controller… until I figure out why I was getting that error on the other controller.
 

pinoymamba

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Just did a quick search and it looks like if you added another controller you’ll need to find a dealer to pair it to the motor. So lesson here is DON’T UPDATE!
 

Ark

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Just did a quick search and it looks like if you added another controller you’ll need to find a dealer to pair it to the motor. So lesson here is DON’T UPDATE!
yea go Bosch, something you should be able to do via the flow app requites a 20-30 dealer payment and maybe a couple of hours off your time.
Maybe it prevents thieves cannibalising parts off different bikes though
 

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