Bosch Gen 5 Rumour - More Power updates coming!

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I have been riding my cube 144 stereo race with cx5 with the original 85nm and newer 100nm settings like 2000km, I mostly ride in slightly boosted eco mode 40nm/300W and then bumb it up to 85nm for forest climbs its been good, 100nm turbo for the steepest climbs I dare to do has been really fun, I dont think I "need" any more power from my bike but it does bring out the smile and fun when you go full max power for some short period of time so I really welcome if they bumb up the power even more, even if I very rarely use it, its just so much fun to do once in a while.

Probably driving this bike for 1 more season and then get a light weight avinox bike once someone makes one thats actually available.
 
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This is not directed at anyone in particular, but from here on out can we keep this thread purely for discussing the actual update and keep power comparisons and so on to the various other discussion/disagreement threads that already exist.

Thanks all. Mod.
 
Mario Antony said:
Out of curiosity and trully wanting to understand:

Why do you need to display what the bike is?
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I'm assuming you're referring to gear selection display? It's very useful to know what gear you're in before you drop into a downhill track, especially if you're familiar with the trail and know what works. For me, most downhills I ride have zero pedaling (or zero places to sneak in a pedal stroke to change gears before the end), so I'm focused on minimizing chain feedback from the drivetrain. I find descending in 10th gear to be a good compromise without being stuck in too hard a gear for the end of the DH. Certain trails I ride have a punchy climb right afterwards, so I'll ride them in 8th. Another example is knowing that a certain technical step-up works really well in 5th gear (4th is too easy, 6th too hard). It's just really nice to be able to glance down at the display and see the gear number. I do this with my Garmin watch right now, but the screen is a lot smaller and harder to read.
 
The wattage unfortunately remains at 750...🫣

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HanzFranz said:
The wattage unfortunately remains at 750...🫣
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per google AI translate:

Bosch Perf. CX
Just in time for the publication of this issue, Bosch is launching the next software update: the CX now delivers up to 120 Newton-meters and support of up to 600 percent; peak power remains at 750 watts, which is significantly behind the Avinox. For the test, we still rode without this update. Top modulation and a rattle-free ride characterize the CX. Controls and the app are well-proven, and the range is beyond any doubt.

 
Shoot...when I go for the TQ, it will be so low power that it will classify as a regular MTB. :LOL: it is some comfort since I still have to ride with my friends on regular MTBs and not totally embarrass myself and be crushed for 4-5 days after a big ride.

I am not sure (and I have a Gen 4 CX-R) but assuming Pivot will use the new 800 WH battery, I wonder how much the range will increase over the previous generation 750 WH battery.
 
PeterHenric said:
Does that mean class three mode Is Geo locked and if you make the bike think you are in one of the approved areas, it would be enabled?
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The Avinox system cutoff is region dependant and can be tricked by using a VPN to pretend you are somewhere else. It's essentially a "bug" they haven't fixed. I don't think Bosch would ever allow something like this. Their EU market share for city/communter ebikes is very big and it would definitely get them on the radar of regulators if they allowed it.

You can see this already with how much effort they put into detecting 3rd party speed devices.
 
The one thing that stands out is the bike lock/unlock. I like that since pedaling a 50+ lb uphill bike is beyond the capability of most, for more than 5 mins.
 
Looking forward to the update. The update will be really noticeable based on those numbers. It will make the motors full performance more accessible. My fireroad climb at full pace (25kph) today is full on effort/attack mode where to keep it near the speed limiter I'm gassed by the end.

This update sounds like it'll mean doing the same run won't need the same rider input, but will be interesting to see how that feels.

I'll then look to bump the limiter using the usa firmware once it's confirmed working after the update.
 
Brawwp said:
This is what is so frustrating to those of us that have spent a ton of time on multiple motors and we come on here to see strong opinions on something you haven’t even tried.

You guys seem to think avinox owners just care about the peak power and that’s far from true. It’s more like a novelty to the Avinox system. I’m in tuned down auto 99% of the time. It’s way more than power. If you capped Avinox to 750w max with zero ability to derestrict, I would still choose Avinox. The traction control, how the power comes on, the form factor, etc all feels better on Avinox (to me). And I’ve spent more time on Bosch than avinox bikes.

Having said that, I don’t think Bosch needs to focus on peak power. They have other areas they can improve on and you guys could maybe see this if you actually spent some time on the avinox. Bosch is already amazing as-is fyi. Not hating on Bosch at all.
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There will be additional sliders to control power in the upcoming update as well for the Bosch CX5. I climb primarily in tour+, occasionally emtb, both at default levels and the power delivery is very smooth and predictable. My emtb+ mode I have maxed out on everything and that one kicks hard but that is how I want it since I use it for DH only and powering out of corners.
 
Once again, the Levo is sucking hind tit......."Sucking hind tit is an American idiom meaning, to be in a disadvantaged, neglected, or last-place position, often receiving the fewest resources.
 
HanzFranz said:
The wattage unfortunately remains at 750...🫣

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Why is it unfortunate? It's still legally an e bike. Bosch is being an ethical manufacturer. I say good on them.

These avinox bikes that are punching 1000 continuous output are all in moped category now. Its only a matter of time before the governments of the world figure this out and start imposing tighter restrictions which could fuck things up for the rest of us.

In nz those bikes officially arw mopeds and need to be registered, have a number plate, indicators, rear view mirrors....

Yeah, I dont want the more power and the more battery drain either.

If wanted an w moto id go buy one. They are way cheaper than ebikes.
 
I dont think we have that kinda limit where I live in northern europe, techically there is 250W max average power that manufacturers already dont follow, I dont think peak power has any limits here. Cant they just limit the max power to 750W in the regions where that is needed and then give more to others because every country has different laws.
 
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Plummet said:
Why is it unfortunate? It's still legally an e bike. Bosch is being an ethical manufacturer. I say good on them.

These avinox bikes that are punching 1000 continuous output are all in moped category now. Its only a matter of time before the governments of the world figure this out and start imposing tighter restrictions which could fuck things up for the rest of us.

In nz those bikes officially arw mopeds and need to be registered, have a number plate, indicators, rear view mirrors....

Yeah, I dont want the more power and the more battery drain either.

If wanted an w moto id go buy one. They are way cheaper than ebikes.
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In EU if you don't derestrict the ebike, no one wil stop you or ask how much power you have.

I see some people, not respecting the law, and it's starting to be usual to see mopped-scooters (Like Xiaomi 6 Ultra and similar) being ridden at +70/80 km/h! I even caught some at +100km/h!
Or some going wrong way, passing red lights, etc...
No respect for the rules or laws, no insurance, some acting like d!cks, some involved in illegal activities...

So, yes, I hope Law Enforcement starts to do their job!

As always.... humans want MORE and MORE...and MORE! That's simply human nature
 
Mario Antony said:
In EU if you don't derestrict the ebike, no one wil stop you or ask how much power you have.

I see some people, not respecting the law, and it's starting to be usual to see mopped-scooters (Like Xiaomi 6 Ultra and similar) being ridden at +70/80 km/h! I even caught some at +100km/h!
Or some going wrong way, passing red lights, etc...
No respect for the rules or laws, no insurance, some acting like d!cks, some involved in illegal activities...

So, yes, I hope Law Enforcement starts to do their job!

As always.... humans want MORE and MORE...and MORE! That's simply human nature
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Here's the AI blurb in eu standards. So it seems 250w continious is the restriction. In nz its 300w continious.

But yeah, the general punter wants more and it appears i am in the minority regarding sticking to government regulations.

"In the European Union, the standard, legal e-bike is known officially as an EPAC (Electrically Power Assisted Cycle) or commonly as a "pedelec".
To be legally considered a bicycle and not a moped, an e-bike must meet all three of the following requirements:
  • Maximum Continuous Rated Power:

    250 Watts.

  • Assistance Speed Cut-off:
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    25 km/h ($\approx$15.5 mph).
    250 Watts.
  • Pedal-Assist Only: The motor must only engage while the rider is actively pedaling (no "twist-and-go" throttle).

Wattage and Power Limitations (2026 Regulations)
  • 250W Continuous Rated Power: This is the legal maximum continuous or nominal power.
  • Peak Power vs. Nominal Power: While the continuous power is capped at 250W, the motor can often produce a higher "peak" power (sometimes 500W–750W or more) for short bursts, such as when accelerating or climbing steep hills.
  • Illegal Modifications (Derestricting): Modifying an e-bike to increase its speed or power beyond these limits turns it into a motor vehicle, requiring insurance, registration, and a license."

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I did notice here...

ebike-mtb.com

Bosch Performance Line CX-R – In Our big e-Bike Motor Group Test

In Our 2026 Motor Group Test, the Bosch Performance Line CX-R Motor Goes Head-to-Head With 10 Strong Rivals – Read The Full Review To Find Out How It Fares Against The Competition!
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...that the Bosch, at least on this testing device, was a very consistent 700 watts. I understand being cautious but maybe they could fly a bit closer to the Sun and get the power up around 740 w? That would be a noticeable difference.

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Regulation is coming. For the entire bill click on the link below. Bosch is smart to stick with 750w. Here is a bill that CA is considering to take effect in 2027.

Cliff notes:
750w peak power max
16mph limit (which would suck)
Anything over those numbers makes it a moped and requires a drivers license and registration
Manufacturers and Retailers advertising bikes that go over those numbers advertised as class 1 subject to stuff fines. $50,000 for the 2nd offense...

AB 1557
 
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Suns_PSD said:
I did notice here...

ebike-mtb.com

Bosch Performance Line CX-R – In Our big e-Bike Motor Group Test

In Our 2026 Motor Group Test, the Bosch Performance Line CX-R Motor Goes Head-to-Head With 10 Strong Rivals – Read The Full Review To Find Out How It Fares Against The Competition!
ebike-mtb.com ebike-mtb.com

...that the Bosch, at least on this testing device, was a very consistent 700 watts. I understand being cautious but maybe they could fly a bit closer to the Sun and get the power up around 740 w? That would be a noticeable difference.

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They can get the same out of the regular CX5 motor also. The R is just a tune. If you know someone they can install it on your CX5. You just won't have the magnesium housing and ceramic bearings.
 
Duffman said:
Regulation is coming. Bosch is smart to stick with 750w. Here is a bill that CA is considering to take effect in 2027.
Cliff notes:
750w peak power max
16mph limit (which would suck)
Anything over those numbers makes it a moped and requires a drivers license and registration
Manufacturers and Retailers advertising bikes that go over those numbers advertised as class 1 subject to stuff fines. $50,000 for the 2nd offense...
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Better not talk about regulation you will get posts deleted....

Its clear this forum doesnt want to discuss the clear disregard for government regulations one from motor manufacturer.
I've just had several posts deleted on here discussing regs, giving bosch kudos for sticking too them...

Hmmm.... deleting regulation discussions that is exactly related to this power upgrade.
Very fishy behavior emtb mods.
 
Duffman said:
They can get the same out of the regular CX5 motor also. The R is just a tune. If you know someone they can install it on your CX5. You just won't have the magnesium housing and ceramic bearings.
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Yes, they are the same motors functionally.

It's incorrectly stated often that the CXR gets a Mag case, and the CX doesn't, in reality they both have Mag cases and the real-world weight difference is only 90 grams total as a result of the Ti shafts, not 150g as Bosch claims.

I only wanted the CXR because a few testers and reviews indicate slightly better efficiency as a result of the ceramic bearings.
 
Suns_PSD said:
Yes, they are the same motors functionally.

It's incorrectly stated often that the CXR gets a Mag case, and the CX doesn't, in reality they both have Mag cases and the real-world weight difference is only 90 grams total as a result of the Ti shafts, not 150g as Bosch claims.

I only wanted the CXR because a few testers and reviews indicate slightly better efficiency as a result of the ceramic bearings.
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Ah, good to know...
 
Plummet said:
Better not talk about regulation you will get posts deleted....

Its clear this forum doesnt want to discuss the clear disregard for government regulations one from motor manufacturer.
I've just had several posts deleted on here discussing regs, giving bosch kudos for sticking too them...

Hmmm.... deleting regulation discussions that is exactly related to this power upgrade.
Very fishy behavior emtb mods.
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Post #452 .

It seemed pretty clear.

You ignored it.

Your post was deleted as were several others.

Try reading it and stop cluttering the thread with crap.

Thanks.
 
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