Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

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Need some insights who owns this bike. Ultimately I am looking for a one bike do it all, but chasing the DH feel like a Santa Cruz v10. I like the “magic carpet” feel as I don’t do jumps, maybe small hucks to flat, but overall just want smooth and fast even on techy black trails.

I currently own a crestline - coil front and rear - it’s great, but the rear isn’t as DH feeling as much as I anticipated even given the 180mm, so I wonder if the velduro would be a better option?
 
iJak said:
Need some insights who owns this bike. Ultimately I am looking for a one bike do it all, but chasing the DH feel like a Santa Cruz v10. I like the “magic carpet” feel as I don’t do jumps, maybe small hucks to flat, but overall just want smooth and fast even on techy black trails.

I currently own a crestline - coil front and rear - it’s great, but the rear isn’t as DH feeling as much as I anticipated even given the 180mm, so I wonder if the velduro would be a better option?
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Test ride the Slash+ if you want to get an idea how mid-high pivot ebike feels
 
sethimus said:
amazing, can you roll by their hq next ride and tell them to put up accurate infos one can rely on? that would be great…
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I'm sure they are trying to do the best. Maybe reach out directly and offer some help? You'd know for sure how to communicate to future buyers who can't think and have no understanding for small companies with limited resources. BTW I'm not on velduro's payroll, I'm just trying to be reasonable.
 
There are certainly inconsistencies between the regional sites. Uk still has the incorrect wheelbase showing for example.
They could do with consolidating and updating a single site.
Would be beneficial to everyone.
 
iJak said:
Need some insights who owns this bike. Ultimately I am looking for a one bike do it all, but chasing the DH feel like a Santa Cruz v10. I like the “magic carpet” feel as I don’t do jumps, maybe small hucks to flat, but overall just want smooth and fast even on techy black trails.

I currently own a crestline - coil front and rear - it’s great, but the rear isn’t as DH feeling as much as I anticipated even given the 180mm, so I wonder if the velduro would be a better option?
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On another thread although not yet launched is another mid HP enduro - dh is the Teewing Flux 180mm. for what its worth looks decent, possibly to be as poppy as the Rouge then it will extend to its own tickle, plush and ploughful...
Keen to view new Geo updates that come to hand....
The Rouge still of great interest as more ride reports rolls in....
Thanks to this forum for squaring up the Flux or Rouge.
 
Mart-e said:
On another thread although not yet launched is another mid HP enduro - dh is the Teewing Flux 180mm. for what its worth looks decent, possibly to be as poppy as the Rouge then it will extend to its own tickle, plush and ploughful...
Keen to view new Geo updates that come to hand....
The Rouge still of great interest as more ride reports rolls in....
Thanks to this forum for squaring up the Flux or Rouge.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the suspension platform and how it’s created. Since I’m looking for more DH magic carpet ride, 180mm doesn’t mean much. I’ve ridden my friends chromag low down. That thing has 160mm of Horst link, but rides exactly like a mini DH rig - fast smooth and rumbles thru rock gardens / roots. I feel like crestline is more poppy than what the travel provides and this seems to hold true based on PB and other reviews.
 
iJak said:
I think a lot of it has to do with the suspension platform and how it’s created. Since I’m looking for more DH magic carpet ride, 180mm doesn’t mean much. I’ve ridden my friends chromag low down. That thing has 160mm of Horst link, but rides exactly like a mini DH rig - fast smooth and rumbles thru rock gardens / roots. I feel like crestline is more poppy than what the travel provides and this seems to hold true based on PB and other reviews.
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I was on a Cresti S180 before the Rogue and honestly feel like this rear suspension is less chattery and much more composed than the S180. Can’t feel any difference in the travel either. Have an O-chain on the S180 and pedal kickback between the two feels the same, non existent . One thing that truly surprised me was how much having a fully slammed dropper improves the ability to move the bike around.
 
John_likes_bikes said:
What it has most to do with is correct shock setup.
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While I agree with you - only to a certain point. I am running a custom tuned Telum coil on my S180 and played with multiple settings adjustments etc. Still can't get it quite as smooth as my friend's bike (which the air shock is setup to him).
I am happy to have ridden enough to feel such differences. I also have a GT fury (mid / high pivot) DH Bike - while my S180 is close to feeling like the GT Fury, it's still not as composed as a V10.
 
Durrti said:
I was on a Cresti S180 before the Rogue and honestly feel like this rear suspension is less chattery and much more composed than the S180. Can’t feel any difference in the travel either. Have an O-chain on the S180 and pedal kickback between the two feels the same, non existent . One thing that truly surprised me was how much having a fully slammed dropper improves the ability to move the bike around.
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So if you hit up a bike park - doing blues / black tech, and jump lines, between the Cresti and Velduro, which would you pick?
 
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The beauty on a good designed HP suspension is you even don’t need a top tier sophisticated shock to enjoy the ride. My Slash+ has a basic Float X and I can’t say it feels worse than my V10 8 with factory tuned DHX2. Travel aside the Slash+ with the shitty Float X feels even more magic carpet than the racy V10.
I suspect Velduro which looks very similar to the Slash+ will provide the same feeling.
 
iJak said:
While I agree with you - only to a certain point. I am running a custom tuned Telum coil on my S180 and played with multiple settings adjustments etc. Still can't get it quite as smooth as my friend's bike (which the air shock is setup to him).
I am happy to have ridden enough to feel such differences. I also have a GT fury (mid / high pivot) DH Bike - while my S180 is close to feeling like the GT Fury, it's still not as composed as a V10.
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Have you got a triple on your s180 or 180mm single crown? A triple clamp makes a big difference to making a bike feel like more like a dh rig.

Now you aren't going to get a 170/180mm bike that feels exactly like a dh rig in the back. You are giving away 20-30mm of travel and that matters in the big chunk. The only to way to a get full dh feel is to have 200mm in the rear.

Pole Sonni, if you could find one is the only bike i know of thats full 200mm rear. But i wouldnt recommend buying a collectors item that likely to crack....

So you will end up with a compromise in the rear of not quite dh rig. With that said, it has to get very very hectic before my dh rig can go faster on than the s180. I have a trek session, I ran the session down the above short dh track and it is no faster anywhere on that track than my S180.

Given that what you want doesnt exist, maybe a shift in thought process is required? Rather than trying to replicate the dh rig, consider that the shorter rear travel gives you the opportunity to practice refining your lines and technique.
 
Plummet said:
Have you got a triple on your s180 or 180mm single crown? A triple clamp makes a big difference to making a bike feel like more like a dh rig.

Now you aren't going to get a 170/180mm bike that feels exactly like a dh rig in the back. You are giving away 20-30mm of travel and that matters in the big chunk. The only to way to a get full dh feel is to have 200mm in the rear.

Pole Sonni, if you could find one is the only bike i know of thats full 200mm rear. But i wouldnt recommend buying a collectors item that likely to crack....

So you will end up with a compromise in the rear of not quite dh rig. With that said, it has to get very very hectic before my dh rig can go faster on than the s180. I have a trek session, I ran the session down the above short dh track and it is no faster anywhere on that track than my S180.

Given that what you want doesnt exist, maybe a shift in thought process is required? Rather than trying to replicate the dh rig, consider that the shorter rear travel gives you the opportunity to practice refining your lines and technique.
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Yeah my S180 on Boxxer 38.
Pole is out of the question - even the new one being developed right now, I think the overall bike is to racey even with the 190+ rear travel.

Not sure what's the best way to describe it - but for example V10 (200mm + mullet) / Chromag (160mm + full 29) - both on slow rolling DH rubber - the rear will delete bumps even square hits and will continuously pick up speed.

S180 in mullet configuration with DH UltraSoft Rear rubber: Tons of grip, but would eventually slow down instead of picking up speed on small roots. Square hits will slow it down significantly. I would need to throw down a couple of pedal strokes to get back up to speed.
S180 In the 29 configuration with DH Soft Rear rubber: Does a lot better in keeping speed and rolling over things. It will pick up in certain bumpy terrain but not as much as the v10/lowdown.

So having played with all the settings and setup I can on the S180, I feel like it might be a bike kinematics thing regardless of travel. Based on the reviews so far, the Velduro seems more fast/smooth instead of playful/poppy.
 
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Durrti said:
I was on a Cresti S180 before the Rogue and honestly feel like this rear suspension is less chattery and much more composed than the S180. Can’t feel any difference in the travel either. Have an O-chain on the S180 and pedal kickback between the two feels the same, non existent . ...
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Complements of Horst Leitner.
 
Mart-e said:
On another thread although not yet launched is another mid HP enduro - dh is the Teewing Flux 180mm. for what its worth looks decent, possibly to be as poppy as the Rouge then it will extend to its own tickle, plush and ploughful...
Keen to view new Geo updates that come to hand....
The Rouge still of great interest as more ride reports rolls in....
Thanks to this forum for squaring up the Flux or Rouge.
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It would help a great deal if Teewing would release kinematic graphs for the Flux (the MX mode could either be interesting or dubious). I would would be reticent to critically compare the bikes until such time.
 
iJak said:
Yeah my S180 on Boxxer 38.
Pole is out of the question - even the new one being developed right now, I think the overall bike is to racey even with the 190+ rear travel.

Not sure what's the best way to describe it - but for example V10 (200mm + mullet) / Chromag (160mm + full 29) - both on slow rolling DH rubber - the rear will delete bumps even square hits and will continuously pick up speed.

S180 in mullet configuration with DH UltraSoft Rear rubber: Tons of grip, but would eventually slow down instead of picking up speed on small roots. Square hits will slow it down significantly. I would need to throw down a couple of pedal strokes to get back up to speed.
S180 In the 29 configuration with DH Soft Rear rubber: Does a lot better in keeping speed and rolling over things. It will pick up in certain bumpy terrain but not as much as the v10/lowdown.

So having played with all the settings and setup I can on the S180, I feel like it might be a bike kinematics thing regardless of travel. Based on the reviews so far, the Velduro seems more fast/smooth instead of playful/poppy.
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I do agree that the s180 is poppy and playful. But I don't have any issues with square edged hits or it showing down through roots like you describe. Quote the opposite, I am enjoying the platform more than my mid pivot dh bike and my high pivot enduro bike. I do lean on more to the poppy playful side than point and plough side . I manual through stuff and where possible pop over sections rather than plough through on the ground. So it probably makes sense that i enjoy the S180 more than you. I have gone to lengths to make my s180 lighter and more playful....


With what you describe it sounds like you are more of a point and shoot plough kind of guy rather than someone that has a more popping and playful style. So.... given you are a plough guy then the mid or high pivot design will probably suit you better. They are definitely more plough machines and soak up square edge particularly well.
 
Plummet said:
I do agree that the s180 is poppy and playful. But I don't have any issues with square edged hits or it showing down through roots like you describe. Quote the opposite, I am enjoying the platform more than my mid pivot dh bike and my high pivot enduro bike. I do lean on more to the poppy playful side than point and plough side . I manual through stuff and where possible pop over sections rather than plough through on the ground. So it probably makes sense that i enjoy the S180 more than you. I have gone to lengths to make my s180 lighter and more playful....


With what you describe it sounds like you are more of a point and shoot plough kind of guy rather than someone that has a more popping and playful style. So.... given you are a plough guy then the mid or high pivot design will probably suit you better. They are definitely more plough machines and soak up square edge particularly well.
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yeah that's probably the better way to put it - point, shoot and plough.
I decided to do a little more research into kinematics and I think the correlation to what I am looking for equates to a linear anti-squat chart where sag and beyond < 100% , lower the better.

Velduro:
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Chromag Low down:
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Crestline (RS181, but should be similar for RS180) reference post
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Yeti LTe - which is well in the negatives late into the travel. Quite curious how I would jive on this bike, but way too expensive imo.
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Has anyone fitted the "spare" motor spacer shims that come with the frame? There were none fitted when I removed the motor and it seemed a reasonably tight fit. Edit: tried to fit them and its not possible gap is too tight even for a single spacer.

Other than that, a rear brake bleed and lubing the chain, my XL is ready to go - just need it to stop raining now!

Ridewrap was not fun to fit.... hard to remove all the air bubbles so not going to try.....

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Does anyone know who makes the Velduro e-Enduro Carbon EC-30 wheels. 28H on the rear seems strange seeing as most are going 32H.

Also who makes the hubs and what hubs are they really.Ratchet or Pawls?

Wondering if it is one of the Chinese wheels rebranded?
 
Just curious if anyone has an idea if/when these will make it to the US? maybe somebody has already answered the question but I didn't see anything, thanks in advance.
 
They are working on a US distributor. It'll probably end up being Worldwide Cyclery or something similar.

For a moment you could buy direct but I tried last week to complete a purchase and was told no as they are close on the distributorship.
 
Hi everyone,

Just to share some info from Switzerland 🇨🇭.

We are currently working on offering Velduro Rogue custom builds here in Switzerland, with a strong focus on frame-only / platform-based builds around the DJI Avinox system.

The idea is to allow riders to build the bike their way (suspension, wheels, brakes, cockpit), instead of being locked into a single factory spec.

We also plan to offer frame-only packages (frame + motor + battery + display + charger), with proper local support, setup advice and after-sales service.

This will be done through a small, specialist setup focused on technical riding, correct sizing, and long-term service — not mass sales.

More details will follow once availability and timelines are fully confirmed.

Happy to answer questions here or on our website if there’s interest.
 
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Could someone who has the avinox spider tool do me a favour and tell me how big the outer diameter and the size of the teeth is? I am trying to find the right one, and for the ones that look right there is no mention of the avinox, just dimensions given...
 
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