Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI
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sethimus
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nice find, i‘ll add it later
That is heavy.
For comparison I have an Avalanche hybrid (oil bath, cartridge and coil spring) Mezzer at 170mm with a barely trimmed steerer and it weighs 2340 grams as I recall as it sits.
Mikects
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Can we get back to being a Velduro Rouge specific forum. All this talk about tyres and weight is getting very generic.....
Cant wait start seeing photos of production bikes - hopefully they start appearing soon.
Cant wait start seeing photos of production bikes - hopefully they start appearing soon.
As a closet weight weenie, it keeps me distracted from pestering Rob for a ride report, complete with detailed comparison to the Crestline, which I am also looking at…
sethimus
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don’t you want to know how much the frame really weighs?
I see the nz bikes have just arrived at the port. Im interested in what spec frame they will be getting after all the rumours and leaks. Hopefully not long now.
Mikects
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Not really - will it make a difference to the frame I recieve (XL) when it gets here?
I gave up worrying too much about weight 20 odd years ago. Had a sub 10kg Giant hardtail - never rode it as I much preferred my 15kg V1 Santa Cruz Heckler.
Durability and cost are more relevant to me. Light, strong, cheap - pick 2.
Im picking my Rogue will be around 25kg (spec listed earlier) which will be similar to my Giant Reign (that I love) but with more travel and power. Pretty sure its going to be my forever bike - for the next 3 or 4 years anyway
My last comment including the word weight....
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Mikects
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Yeah - woudnt it be great to see a photo! All I know so far is my frame isnt among them
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sethimus
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still missing weights: avinox spider and avinox 34t chainring. would be great if one of the early .nz users could weigh them when they get their frames
slickrock
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Attention Is (not only) All You Need but what's it's all about. For the Crestline-Avinox craze, it was all about scarcity, like a Yezzy/Nike shoe drop or Wanka Bar Golden Ticket (only a lucky 100 get one). For Velduro, it's that they fully embraced an affordable frame-only option on a well-placed boutique product (i.e. Avinox enduro, mid-high HP, Horst Link, full insertion, solid geo, CF, no Sidekick-needed frame). The buzz is all us folks designing our own dream or take-off build rather than being stuck with a complete bike (If you think about the entire take-off market exists because enthusiasts want to rig their bikes their own way). In this way, the weight-weenies, shock and fork freaks, component festooners, and the like give attention to this thread, which can only be seen as positive to Velduro and all other folks aiming for this bike. Once this frame gets in people's hands the buzz will cool, but I still appreciate all this attention until such time.
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Bogdan_CH
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Honestly this trend o paper tyres like EXO casing on enduro e bikes has to go for good.( Looking at you Megamo
as well) Unless your ridding on the wrong trails or weigh sub 60 kg they are just marketing schemes to make you think that one bike is lighter than the other .
I’m between the Mezzer or Fox 38 for my build.
I am trying avoid the immediate install of a smashpot! On whatever I get… (A Smashpot on Lyric made a huge difference to me).
I’d like to build with some lighter options… although my Specialized Enduro is a heavy bike so built the same way mr Rouge will be heavy too
slickrock
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I'm in the same boat. Have downduro Sonni (200/190) with a Zeb Ultimate 3.1 so want to differentiate my quiver weight-wise and travel-wise. Choosing the Mezzer will shave off close to a pound compared to an X2 38, and you can swap travel between 170mm and 180mm readily so suit the geometry that works best on the trail. Also, looking into the companion Mara Pro PB (Gen 2) - the larger canister one with shorter PB. I have the blueprints and it appears the shock will fit the S frame based on the shock notes PDF (request out to Velduro to verify). This shock is like 130g less than the Float Grip X2 specd for the bike.
Telum doesn't fit with 65mm stroke, according to Vorsprung. Are you reducing it to 60?
I got their full carbon wheelset, because the price was too good to miss and I needed a new rear wheel for my Geometron anyway. But I'm not sure it's the right choice for the Velduro. As a high pivot with an idler pulley, surely there should be very little kickback in the first place? I'm wondering if the benefits of a light, high-engagement hub would outweigh the benefits of the Sidekick for that bike.preordered also a large and got myself a 32h sidekick hub from the e13 black friday sale at 50% for it
I've got some DT Swiss 240 DEG hubs that I was going to build up until I saw the e13 sale. The hybrid/ebike DEGdf device lets you swap between 0 and 10 degrees of float (the non-ebike version gives you 0, 10, or 20), and it doesn't add any weight. But the DF device costs £150, and I'd need a £90 HG freehub for my Linkglide, so converting the 240 would have cost more than a whole e13 hub on sale, even ignoring the initial purchase cost of the 240. Still not sure it was the right decision tho.
I couldn't find any reviews that said much about their Flux rims. I've got Zipp Moto wheels already and love the comfort/traction, but I kept breaking spokes on the rear because they're too flexy for my 100kg+ weight. On the other hand, I had a Crankbros Synthesis Carbon front wheel that felt way too harsh (worse than a Hunt/Mavic alu rim, and much worse than the Zipp), despite their claims of compliance. I look forward to trying the e13s, but I suspect I'll keep using the Zipp on the front for extra comfort.
I was told the Flux rims were more like the Crankbros Synthesis, which I didn't find very comfy on the front. But the Zipp is too flexy for the rear at my weight, so hopefully the Flux will be a good compromise between compliance and stiffness.
My e13 wheels arrived today. They do look sort of similar to the Zipps, but they aren't single-walled like the Zipps, and they feel much stiffer when just pushing them into the floor (haven't put them on the bike yet).
ebikerider
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Stroke reduced to 62.5 on a large frame. There is sufficient clearance at bottom out for this. Figured I wouldn't miss the 2.5mm stroke..
I'd say it's minimal PK and moderate trail speed will overcome that. Furthermore the HP chainring seems to reduce a lot of the chain flap that causes much (most?) of the sensation.
Lastly, does the motor itself have some freeplay in it naturally that gets multiplied with the rear rim freehub freeplay adding some that isn't accounted for here?
I'd lean towards a high engagement hub on any HP (or even mid-pivot) bike personally.
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slickrock
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Not too many folks have talked about their intentions to set the bike up in high-progression mode or not, and I'd like to get some feedback here in terms of riding style/environment and build strategy. This also has some interplay into the shock choice as well as some are more progressive than others in their design (i.e. big cans less progressive and some more tunable than others with spacers; springs over air; etc.). I assume most will be getting Float Grip X2 (tuned or not), but curious how many others won't be going that way (despite limited fitting options with the Rogue) and what progression mode would they set up their bike if they do. Oh, and the MX/29 choice as well affect this as well.
That animation ISN’T accurate. Check this out
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sethimus
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yes, because he doesn’t cycle through the whole range of the suspension:That animation ISN’T accurate. Check this out
92K views · 21K reactions | Rob | emtbforums.com on Reels
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The animation doesn’t either
in the animation and Rob’s video the compression amount is very similar 
With real life showing virtually no kickback
sethimus
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4-7° in the most used travel range is not virtually no kickback
I would argue that in the real world with a fairly standard mullet wheel set on 90% of trails! You are not going to experience kickback.
Rob’s video confirms it’s virtually none exists.
The part of the chart you’re referring to is an Extreme scenario! IF you are running a specific high engagement hub on a full 29er (that 90% of people won’t run) plus you’d be on full send to hit that deep into the suspension.
Depends on Robs DT Swiss Hub. If he's running the 18T. It has up to 20 ° of takeup. 36T has 10 ° . Both of which would absorb the entire kickback. That's why I suggest the lower engagement hub. I'm running 72T giving 5 °.
That's not how hubs work. With 18T, it has anywhere between 0* and 20* of deadband at any given moment; with 36T, it has anywhere between 0* and 10*, etc. It depends where the pawls/ratchets are in relation to the teeth at that time. On average, I think you'd expect half of the max: so 10* for 18T, 5* for 36T etc. But it will constantly vary and often will be close to zero, giving you unpredictable suspension performance. The benefit of an anti-kickback device over a low-engagement hub is that it keeps the deadband more consistent (and adjustable).
Mikects
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Ive never once thought, in 35 years of mountain biking, "i wish that kick back would go away".... Maybe I dont know what Im missing but is it really that big a deal - especially if it is so minimal?
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