Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

Power1tobe said:
So when people say they are riding with settings tuned down, you probably need to state what that means (exact settings). I rode this weekend 40 miles /3100ft and was at 10-12% and that was using a variety a turbo 100/100 Trail 40/60 -Auto and Eco 30/35. Now I could easily go 50+ miles with only using my Eco and -auto settings. Which makes me start to wonder if there are battery issues? it just seems like some people are get crazy low numbers like 25 miles on a full battery is terrible unless you told me you were running in Turbo.
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So my lowered settings are as follows:
Eco: 25/35
Trail: 45/55
Turbo: 90/90

I ran the whole of the ride in Auto Minus apart from about half a mile in turbo

840 battery on a Comp Alloy. 2 rides old.

I am 115kg and fairly unfit at the moment.

My first ride was 24.3 miles in standard settings in trail. came back with 2% battery
 
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Power1tobe said:
So when people say they are riding with settings tuned down, you probably need to state what that means (exact settings). I rode this weekend 40 miles /3100ft and was at 10-12% and that was using a variety a turbo 100/100 Trail 40/60 -Auto and Eco 30/35. Now I could easily go 50+ miles with only using my Eco and -auto settings. Which makes me start to wonder if there are battery issues? it just seems like some people are get crazy low numbers like 25 miles on a full battery is terrible unless you told me you were running in Turbo.
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Agree with you about the need to let the others know what settings and maybe also rider weight. This can help...
In my case (210lbs rider), did yesterday 28 miles /3960ft with 18% battery left. Settings Eco 20/30 (92%), Trail 50/70 (3%), Turbo 80/100 (1%). Focused a lot on the pedaling frequency (75-80rpm), thinks this help...
 
freddok said:
Agree with you about the need to let the others know what settings and maybe also rider weight. This can help...
In my case (210lbs rider), did yesterday 28 miles /3960ft with 18% battery left. Settings Eco 20/30 (92%), Trail 50/70 (3%), Turbo 80/100 (1%). Focused a lot on the pedaling frequency (75-80rpm), thinks this help...
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That really seems like abysmal range for a 800+ battery. I was really hoping for a lot more considering you ride 92% of the time in Eco. They might bring a software update that could make things more efficient.

I can get close to double that on my gen3 riding in eco (25/60) and im 90kg fitted.
 
DuncanDoughnuts said:
That really seems like abysmal range for a 800+ battery. I was really hoping for a lot more considering you ride 92% of the time in Eco. They might bring a software update that could make things more efficient.

I can get close to double that on my gen3 riding in eco (25/60) and im 90kg fitted.
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Hope you can be right about software update... For the little story my current settings are the same ones I used on my previous Levo (Gen 2 comp carbon) and I was able to compare results for like the same ride. I had used same % battery but with Eco 70%, Trail 26%, Turbo 3%. Maybe I can try lower settings but not sure where I can go. Need to try also Auto- and Micro tune...

On other hands I really like how work the bike comparatively as my old one. Geometry, Mullet and suspension are game changer IMO in my local trails.
 
freddok said:
Hope you can be right about software update... For the little story my current settings are the same ones I used on my previous Levo (Gen 2 comp carbon) and I was able to compare results for like the same ride. I had used same % battery but with Eco 70%, Trail 26%, Turbo 3%. Maybe I can try lower settings but not sure where I can go. Need to try also Auto- and Micro tune...

On other hands I really like how work the bike comparatively as my old one. Geometry, Mullet and suspension are game changer IMO in my local trails.
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Looking at your settings I agree those are terrible numbers for power consumption. A few follow-on questions / recommendations, do you have "shuttle" turned off, recommend changing "Auto" -->"-Auto". Did you record the ride in the specialized app? If so can you post the power numbers both yours and what the bike itself averaged?

Only other thought is you weight as your 31 lbs heaver and guessing in a S4 frame vs my S3, so a few more lbs there. But looking at your settings that still seems excessive. But if you recorded the numbers in the app they will give you the fuller story of where the power is going. I was blown away at how high the power contribution of the bike was 30/30. Think about 30% of lets just use 700watts (should be 210Watts) and riding on the cadence coach optimally, my bike has reflected power outputs in the 300+watts instead of 200ish. I have no idea how accurate the app is but I did this on a relatively flat trail were I was outputting and average power of over 200+watts and smoked the battery that day. But if I am ascending and descending the power goes much slower. So may assertion is if you are on power all the time the battery can go fast. Other than that you have a bad battery.
 
Power1tobe said:
Looking at your settings I agree those are terrible numbers for power consumption. A few follow-on questions / recommendations, do you have "shuttle" turned off, recommend changing "Auto" -->"-Auto". Did you record the ride in the specialized app? If so can you post the power numbers both yours and what the bike itself averaged?

Only other thought is you weight as your 31 lbs heaver and guessing in a S4 frame vs my S3, so a few more lbs there. But looking at your settings that still seems excessive. But if you recorded the numbers in the app they will give you the fuller story of where the power is going. I was blown away at how high the power contribution of the bike was 30/30. Think about 30% of lets just use 700watts (should be 210Watts) and riding on the cadence coach optimally, my bike has reflected power outputs in the 300+watts instead of 200ish. I have no idea how accurate the app is but I did this on a relatively flat trail were I was outputting and average power of over 200+watts and smoked the battery that day. But if I am ascending and descending the power goes much slower. So may assertion is if you are on power all the time the battery can go fast. Other than that you have a bad battery.
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Shuttle off and Auto-... Yes I recorded this with Specialized app. You can take a look on the screenshots... About the frame I'm on a S3 like you. Maybe the pair of Cushcore in my wheels dont help too... Let me now if you need some other numbers.

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Suri said:
Curious, i made a tour with about the same miles and ft, came back with 50% battery… also in auto minus mode. I‘m very happy with the range
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Yeah very good once you get your head around the settings
 
Rode in Eco, micro tune 20/20 30/30, small amount of turbo 60/80 and auto -. Then micro tune 100/100 on one steep climb

Came back with 53% battery which it was saying I could have done another 20 miles

S3 Gen 4

Currently on 11 battery cycles and 500 miles



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Renton said:
How is everyone finding the range now that they have had their bikes for a while. HAs it improved over a number of charge cycles?

Im still a bit perplexed by mine to be fair. Definitley not as economical as the gen 3, even with the settings turned down.

I did a 25.3 mile 3200ft ride on Saturday using auto minus and lower settings and came back with 12% battery.
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Out of curiosity how much do you weigh? I got a similar amount of distance and elevation on my 600w Bosch gen 5. However, I'm a light guy 150lbs geared.
 
freddok said:
Shuttle off and Auto-... Yes I recorded this with Specialized app. You can take a look on the screenshots... About the frame I'm on a S3 like you. Maybe the pair of Cushcore in my wheels dont help too... Let me now if you need some other numbers.

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Ok well those numbers don't tell the story of your bike using a ton of power. Average power usage of your bike was 185, so as a comparison my bike in 28 mile ride with way less altitude but at my sustained power of 215 watts for the ride my bike used an average 337 watts.. so basically 2x the power output from the battery / bike. So just from a cursory review that seem like something going on with the battery
 
I have a Gen4 carbon Comp.

I agree the range isn't great with the Gen 4. Ive had 8 Levos and I ride a lot of backcountry. The Gen 4 range seems to be a little less than a Gen 3. The Gen 4 with the extender is a little better than the Gen 3. I have my settings on 25/25, 60/60, and 100/100. I run a lot in AUTO-. The Gen 4 will out climb the Gen 3 though. The extra power IMO is worth it.

If you are not satisfied with the range get the range extender or carry a 600wh... when the come out. :)
 
Lummox said:
Second this, also with the motor cover and the flap off you can see the route the cable takes alongside the motor and prod poke/it to assist.

its been interesting reading people hating on this bike. My old Marin e2 was an absolute pig when it came to hose and cable work. Motor out at a minimum. This bike I managed to replace brakes and dropper in under an hour or so, so much easier and a lot of thought for the home mechanic seems to have gone into it.
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I don’t hate this new Gen 4, it’s just that coming from 5 S works Levos over the past 7 years , I just don’t feel that this new Gen 4 is a step up over the previous Gen 3 that I was expecting. Ok the new Motor is very nice but it’s not the best combo of Motor and Battery out there and and this price it should be. But it’s bigger problem is it rides like a very heavy bike and looks absolutely crap. 13k, having a Laugh.
 
kntr said:
I have a Gen4 carbon Comp.

I agree the range isn't great with the Gen 4. Ive had 8 Levos and I ride a lot of backcountry. The Gen 4 range seems to be a little less than a Gen 3. The Gen 4 with the extender is a little better than the Gen 3. I have my settings on 25/25, 60/60, and 100/100. I run a lot in AUTO-. The Gen 4 will out climb the Gen 3 though. The extra power IMO is worth it.

If you are not satisfied with the range get the range extender or carry a 600wh... when the come out. :)
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And if you set your gen4 to match the power output of the gen 3 (Capping the motor power to 90nm - so 80% for the rich mans levo and 90%for the poor mans levo) ... eg 20/20 , 50/50 and 100/80 - is your range more or less ? that will let us know if the motor is more efficient or less and its just the extra power eating the battery.
 
I got 41 miles and 4400ft out of my gen4 expert. I weight 80kg and was in eco 25/30 most of the time with auto - momentarily to get up steep sections. I switched to 25/25 near the end to save juice. 1% at end. The ride was 90% singletrack only like 2% paved and included alot of fresh and seldom ridden trails. they are soft so i set tire pressure at 24f/26r. My buddy did it on a gen 1 and he switched batteries half way. interestingly, we both used about the same amount of battery. he used up a 500 and about 65% of another - a total of 825. Point is, efficiency is about the same as always. weight, tire pressure, riding surface, riding style all add up. If your not getting reasonable numbers based on the examples given, i would make a warranty claim and get a new battery.
 
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WatermanJim said:
I got 41 miles and 4400ft out of my gen4 expert. I weight 80kg and was in eco 25/30 most of the time with auto - momentarily to get up steep sections. I switched to 25/25 near the end to save juice. 1% at end. The ride included alot of fresh and seldom ridden trails and they are soft so i set tire pressure at 24f/26r. My buddy did it on a gen 1 and he switched batteries half way. interestingly, we both used the same amount of battery watts. he used up a 500 and about 65% of another - a total of 825. point is, efficiency is about the same as always. weight, tire pressure, riding surface, riding style all add up. If your not getting resonable numbers based on the examples given i would make a warranty claim and get a new battery.
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I'm getting the same output and have the same setup
 
Ive had a rattle for a few days and I think I figured it out. I believe it's the display screen. It feels a little loose. I don't have that small of a Torx so I'll have to go buy one. Its small!

Pic because we need more Gen4 pics!
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Am I correct that Specialized appear to be using only 4200mAh cells?
A mid-cycle refresh with some motor efficiency tweaks and a switch to 5000mAh cells could really improve this bike. The cell swap alone would net an additional 20% battery capacity.
 
nervado said:
Am I correct that Specialized appear to be using only 4200mAh cells?
A mid-cycle refresh with some motor efficiency tweaks and a switch to 5000mAh cells could really improve this bike. The cell swap alone would net an additional 20% battery capacity.
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Don't know where you got that information...but it's not correct.

The 840Wh pack has 42 cells, you can clearly count them in the attached picture.
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It's a 52V system, so they are stacked in a 14S3P configuration(also clearly seen in the upper picture) which results in the only possible cell size of 5,5000mAh(5,5Ah).

14x3,65V =cca 51V x 5,5Ah = cca 280Ah x 3(P) = 840Ah.
 
e_1 said:
In Italy not yet:(:(:(.......
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Strange, this one on photo few posts back is from your smallest and poorest neighboring country, I guess we have better dealers here though 😅
 
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