I'm on the same boat. I did not purchase this emtb for this very reason. No removable battery, nor plug for range extender mode. Is there any news about an upcoming 2nd gen of amflow for 2026? I really hope they add this feature. The only thing that kept me from buying it.
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I'm on the same boat. I did not purchase this emtb for this very reason. No removable battery, nor plug for range extender mode. Is there any news about an upcoming 2nd gen of amflow for 2026? I really hope they add this feature. The only thing that kept me from buying it.
I mostly agree but I plan on using one of those big external battery banks as a sort of mitigation.
Yep. I paid $AUD500 for a 800Wh EcoFlow. I leave it plugged into my Electric SUV. I can add 1% SOC per minute to the bike when I stop for lunch, or any break, because of the Amflow fast charger. Works fantastic. The bike fits in the back of the SUV and I can recharges the bike overnight in the car.
The detachable battery issue is a non-issue now.
I am now a convert to running the lighter non-detachable setup and taking a 30 min break to add the same riding back as a range extender.
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Hi, i tried to search for this information even on chatgpt within this thread so if there was answear in this 51 page topic than I apologize for bringing up the same thread again.
I'm curious about a recent controversial YouTuber's "Alex bike tester" video, in which He claimes that the Amflow doesn't have a torque sensor and that it delivers power like cheap electric bike, meaning it only calculates power based on cadence.
Can anyone who has this bike and previously rode a Bosch CX comment on this?
I'm wondering if it's possible to set the Amflow bike so that, while pedaling at, say, a cadence of 40, if we press hard on the pedals, we'll get a power boost that will accelerate the bike and provide a noticeable increase in power while pedaling at the same cadence or is it just so powerfull all the time that You can't say what its power is based on?
I'm curious about a recent controversial YouTuber's "Alex bike tester" video, in which He claimes that the Amflow doesn't have a torque sensor and that it delivers power like cheap electric bike, meaning it only calculates power based on cadence.
Can anyone who has this bike and previously rode a Bosch CX comment on this?
I'm wondering if it's possible to set the Amflow bike so that, while pedaling at, say, a cadence of 40, if we press hard on the pedals, we'll get a power boost that will accelerate the bike and provide a noticeable increase in power while pedaling at the same cadence or is it just so powerfull all the time that You can't say what its power is based on?
Sounds like he needs a "talk" censor ....
by default the modes on the avinox have a very high level of assitance, trail is basically turbo on a 'last gen' motor and turbo and boost are way more than that, in boost in particular you can just soft pedal up steep hills. Auto to me feels closest to emtb mode on bosch's, but it does more noticablebly give more assitance on a gradient.
The app lets you tweak the modes so you can vary output from input power, I don't know the exact ratio's but there is a sliding scale on the app you can choose. I've set up trail to provide a lower ratio but still ramp up to 1000w if you pedal hard.
I've watched the video, does seem to be more a platform to talk about his dislike of the high power modes on the avinox rather than reviewing the bike. He could of turned it onto auto after the first 'it feels like a motorbike comment', I get the impression bosch is the pinnacle for him, before the avinox came along it felt like every new full power bike was a bosch
Ultimately you have to ride it and make your own judgements
Yes the non removable battery is unfortunate, my issue is that I need 2 batteries to be able to travel with the bike since flying with a battery is a non starter. I am hoping that the ability to buy a second battery is something the is available in the future even though it means dropping the motor to remove and replace.
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Bike has a very natural feel, one of the best Ebikes ive ridden when it comes to power delivery. When it gets to hills you can feel extra torque kicking in.
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You adjust it how you want. Your friend is probably talking about how it comes from the factory. It likes higher cadence with factory programming. But you can change it any way you want.
Yes, have to be careful with what you can take from youtube reviews
Some channels are sent lots of bikes for review, will ride it, they do research and tell you about it and give you a conclusion
Amflow have sent a few smaller channels that don't seem to get any other bikes and they give reviews/ride videos
Then there's this guys who possibly just demo'ed it from a shop, I'm not sure if he means to be factually incorrect or is making the point that high assitance with low input power is similar to a cadence only motor, but the video is more about making the point he doesnt like high assitance ratio modes rather than a bike review.
There's a channel called velomotin that does detailed motor tests, these are the results from a while ago, I think the firmware etc has gone through many iterations so could be different but they have a dyno.
You can see the motor behaviour is very differnet, in turbo all the power is at a lower input power
The avinox/bosch/specalized let you fine tune motor assitance so I wouldnt worry about that
Well try this.
Put the bike in Turbo. Then standing still, stamp on the pedal. If you don't land on your butt, because the bike has tried to race off without you, then you have superman arms. The only way that is possible is if there is a Torque Sensor detecting you pushing on the pedal. If it only had a cadence sensor. Then the pedals would need to rotate before the bike took off. And they certainly do not. They just need to feel pressure.
My 3rd bike with the Bafang BBS02 only has a cadence sensor. So I know exactly what a cadence sensor bike feels like. And you can stamp on the pedals as much as you like, but it will not add assist till you start rotating the pedals.
Alex is the worst bike reviewer I have ever come across. His bias is second to none. I have un-subscribed from his channel so his lies, (Like saying the Avinox does not use the Torque Sensor) are less likely to be propagated across You-tube. I suggest everyone does the same so his algorithm presents his videos to less people, reducing the spread of mis-information..
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You can set the bike to show motor and biker current, average and peak torque / Watts.
Even while standing still, put the foot on a pedal and watch the 2nd screen (by default) : the bike detects the least pressure.
I've also setup 2 more screens on the bike, to register average and peak torque / watts.
I always end my rides with peak superior to 500 w peak (whatever the error margin), it's far superior to ZERO torque / power produced by the rider.
And since the demonstration (in the video) wasn't even E-mtb-ing nor MTB-ing ... who cares ? I could do the same with my levo gen 3 (road, turbo mode, zero difficulty ... zero effort even on very steep road).
But hey, it's not like this video was journalism ... wasn't it ?
Even while standing still, put the foot on a pedal and watch the 2nd screen (by default) : the bike detects the least pressure.
I've also setup 2 more screens on the bike, to register average and peak torque / watts.
I always end my rides with peak superior to 500 w peak (whatever the error margin), it's far superior to ZERO torque / power produced by the rider.
And since the demonstration (in the video) wasn't even E-mtb-ing nor MTB-ing ... who cares ? I could do the same with my levo gen 3 (road, turbo mode, zero difficulty ... zero effort even on very steep road).
But hey, it's not like this video was journalism ... wasn't it ?
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John_likes_bikes
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I have a pretty good grasp of which riding conditions call for which assist mode other than Auto vs Trail. I can't quite wrap my head around the differences vs preferential "situation" to choose one over the other.
Anyones experiences choosing between the two, when to best use either would be appreciated. Thanks!
Anyones experiences choosing between the two, when to best use either would be appreciated. Thanks!
Auto, I believe, constantly matches your input to calculate what to output. If you cycle slowly/softly, it'll sense your cadence AND your torque to provide a smooth delivery of power that matches your input.
You can adjust that power curve in the app to make it feel more natural or provide less power in response to your input etc. This, imho, should be the mode you're in 99% of the time if on the trail. (Eco more for commute and flat areas)
Trail is more if you require constant and instant delivery of power regardless of how much torque you're applying yourself. Great for looser climbs when your cadence might not be steady, or on the trail where you might be ratcheting to stop pedal strikes etc but want to keep the same speed over obstacles. Or if you're going downhill and want to make sure you get back up to speed quickly out of corners etc with just a quick rotation of the pedals. That's often my use case, tbh - ratcheting over obstacles and keeping a high average speed through the twisties.
Turbo is like... all of the above but with the highest possible power. For the steepest climbs over obstacles.
Boost... idk, for showing off or something. Never used this on the trail!!
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Auto and Trail both vary the assistance depending on input power/torque as well as inclination of the bike and speed etc. The main difference is Trail can be set up to give more assistance than Auto.
On a down hill to uphill transition you can feel the power ramp up significantly as the inclination goes from negative to positive on both Auto and Trail modes.
On a down hill to uphill transition you can feel the power ramp up significantly as the inclination goes from negative to positive on both Auto and Trail modes.
You're right, I just looked in the app and spotted this myself.
It seems Trail has a higher power ceiling but a narrower band - but as you say it still adjusts to your input.
Where as Auto can go all the way down to Eco levels of power assist, but has a lower ceiling.
So basically, it all comes down to how steep or how fast you want to go!
A few days ago, I managed to meet the owner of an Avinox system in my city. We arranged a test ride in the forest to compare his Avinox motor with my Bosch CX5.
The Avinox owner made a real effort to adjust his app settings so the system would behave as close as possible to the Bosch, making the comparison fair on climbs.
I understand the idea of the YouTuber who claims Avinox doesn’t use a torque sensor, but in reality that’s not true. When you press harder on the pedals, the bike clearly accelerates faster compared to steady pedaling.
What struck me, however, was how abrupt the power delivery feels when pedaling. With Bosch, whether you spin at low or high cadence, every harder push on the pedals results in more support, but in a very natural and proportional way. It feels like a smooth continuation of your previous effort. On Avinox, the connection between rider and motor feels looser. It works fine on climbs, but on very steep and rooty sections, the bike tends to wander instead of climbing steadily. With Bosch, you feel 100% in control, while with Avinox it feels more like 80%. At least that’s my impression in Trail mode.
Turbo and Boost modes are simply not suited for technical climbs at all — even the Avinox owner agrees. He rides mostly on forest trails, some steep, some not, and his opinion is the same. In those modes, the bike tends to shoot forward, the front wheel either lifts like a wild horse or zigzags from side to side. It’s hard to manage, even after lowering the assist levels. He only uses Turbo on flat or slightly uphill gravel roads — commuting to work, to the forest, to the store, and so on.
Another thing is the overrun. On Avinox, when you push hard and the system delivers the maximum preset distance, the motor cuts off even if you keep pedaling. For a short moment you feel slowed down, and only after a delay does the motor kick in again. That lag is noticeable compared to Bosch, where the overrun is smooth. After delivering power and covering its distance, Bosch still gives you a controlled and gradual boost, matching your lighter pedaling. The transition from overrun to pedal assist feels seamless.
To sum up: Bosch may offer less raw power, but it is incredibly refined and smooth when climbing any type of hill. It gives you full control and confidence, especially after the update to 100 Nm. The feeling is one of steady, predictable climbing.
Avinox, on the other hand, is fun on the flats and feels almost like riding an electric motorcycle, but it lacks the sophistication Bosch delivers. With Bosch, you feel like an integrated part of the bike. With Avinox, you’re more of a passenger steering where the bike goes — it always obeys, but you’re not truly connected.
The Avinox owner made a real effort to adjust his app settings so the system would behave as close as possible to the Bosch, making the comparison fair on climbs.
I understand the idea of the YouTuber who claims Avinox doesn’t use a torque sensor, but in reality that’s not true. When you press harder on the pedals, the bike clearly accelerates faster compared to steady pedaling.
What struck me, however, was how abrupt the power delivery feels when pedaling. With Bosch, whether you spin at low or high cadence, every harder push on the pedals results in more support, but in a very natural and proportional way. It feels like a smooth continuation of your previous effort. On Avinox, the connection between rider and motor feels looser. It works fine on climbs, but on very steep and rooty sections, the bike tends to wander instead of climbing steadily. With Bosch, you feel 100% in control, while with Avinox it feels more like 80%. At least that’s my impression in Trail mode.
Turbo and Boost modes are simply not suited for technical climbs at all — even the Avinox owner agrees. He rides mostly on forest trails, some steep, some not, and his opinion is the same. In those modes, the bike tends to shoot forward, the front wheel either lifts like a wild horse or zigzags from side to side. It’s hard to manage, even after lowering the assist levels. He only uses Turbo on flat or slightly uphill gravel roads — commuting to work, to the forest, to the store, and so on.
Another thing is the overrun. On Avinox, when you push hard and the system delivers the maximum preset distance, the motor cuts off even if you keep pedaling. For a short moment you feel slowed down, and only after a delay does the motor kick in again. That lag is noticeable compared to Bosch, where the overrun is smooth. After delivering power and covering its distance, Bosch still gives you a controlled and gradual boost, matching your lighter pedaling. The transition from overrun to pedal assist feels seamless.
To sum up: Bosch may offer less raw power, but it is incredibly refined and smooth when climbing any type of hill. It gives you full control and confidence, especially after the update to 100 Nm. The feeling is one of steady, predictable climbing.
Avinox, on the other hand, is fun on the flats and feels almost like riding an electric motorcycle, but it lacks the sophistication Bosch delivers. With Bosch, you feel like an integrated part of the bike. With Avinox, you’re more of a passenger steering where the bike goes — it always obeys, but you’re not truly connected.
disguised advertising ? You can not be serious ...
So you joined the forum a few days ago, just to ask about the video, then ....... amazingly, in the next few days, happen to test the same motors and come to the same conclusion ??? .......
Apparently next video, Alex is fuelling up some pigs ready for flight ........
Mate ....... You are talking to Avinox owners. So we know exactly how the Avinox system performs. So ...... Give it a rest, bro.
I'm an Avinox owner. I use Turbo for climbing stairs. I have never been able to climb so many stairs safely. When it's super steep. Turbo works great for technical climbing. But when it is less steep and you have to slow and make turns in the climb. Trail is much better. You use the correct mode for the correct climb. It's not rocket science.
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John_likes_bikes
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These Grinder meet ups are getting interesting.
Couldn't agree more. This not working with any bike computer took me by surprise. I am not aware of any other system that doesn't do that. I got my Pro last Friday and spent 2 hours trying to figure out how to pair my Garmin with it before giving up. Today I finally relented and used the built in recording and to be honest it is terrible in the forest. Even on forestry roads it is all over the place (bouncing from 10 meters on 1 side of the road to 10 meters on the other side) and on trails it is next to useless. Of the 6 or 7 trails I road today only 2 were accurate enough for Strava to accept them.
I was upset enough to write a lenghty email to Amflow support. A premium spec bike should come with the industry standard features at minimum. The only reason for that not to be the case would be if the built in features were better than the industry standard and they clearly are not even close. Amflow, if you read this. Please fix this urgently. The hardware is there. You just need to enable it.
I am wondering if he has ever tried riding hard enduro on a CR250 motorcross bikeSo you joined the forum a few days ago, just to ask about the video, then ....... amazingly, in the next few days, happen to test the same motors and come to the same conclusion ??? .......
Apparently next video, Alex is fuelling up some pigs ready for flight ........ View attachment 166343
Mate ....... You are talking to Avinox owners. So we know exactly how the Avinox system performs. So ...... Give it a rest, bro.
I'm an Avinox owner. I use Turbo for climbing stairs. I have never been able to climb so many stairs safely. When it's super steep. Turbo works great for technical climbing. But when it is less steep and you have to slow and make turns in the climb. Trail is much better. You use the correct mode for the correct climb. It's not rocket science.
... after that the Amflow is totally manageable and save in any mode hahaha.No these are my impressions after riding this bike.
So you joined the forum a few days ago, just to ask about the video, then ....... amazingly, in the next few days, happen to test the same motors and come to the same conclusion ??? .......
Apparently next video, Alex is fuelling up some pigs ready for flight ........ View attachment 166343
Mate ....... You are talking to Avinox owners. So we know exactly how the Avinox system performs. So ...... Give it a rest, bro.
I'm an Avinox owner. I use Turbo for climbing stairs. I have never been able to climb so many stairs safely. When it's super steep. Turbo works great for technical climbing. But when it is less steep and you have to slow and make turns in the climb. Trail is much better. You use the correct mode for the correct climb. It's not rocket science.
What struck me was the presenter's opinion, which claimed that the Avinox was difficult to control and less predictable, which is why the Bosch received higher ratings for climbs. Here's a link to the video for those who don't believe me: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/5-emtb-motors-review-bosch-dji-shimano-sram-specialized-2025.html
And it may seem like a miracle to you, but I haven't been able to test this bike anywhere until now and I recently met someone who has an Avinox in my city, as proof of which I can also send photos of my bike and his if it is to substantiate my thesis, which can be verified by testing both engines which you probably haven't done That why I chose to describe me personal feelings after test.
I specifically tested the system based on my needs and the terrain I ride on, so that anyone wondering what the differences are between these bikes would have a point of reference and could try them both out for themselves before purchasing.
I would also like to know what your observations are after comparing both engines and I would be happy to hear your arguments for and against a given system.
Apparently next video, Alex is fuelling up some pigs ready for flight ........ View attachment 166343
Mate ....... You are talking to Avinox owners. So we know exactly how the Avinox system performs. So ...... Give it a rest, bro.
I'm an Avinox owner. I use Turbo for climbing stairs. I have never been able to climb so many stairs safely. When it's super steep. Turbo works great for technical climbing. But when it is less steep and you have to slow and make turns in the climb. Trail is much better. You use the correct mode for the correct climb. It's not rocket science.
I've been interested in the Avinox since it came out. Before buying my bike, I read and watched a lot of materials about them, but I couldn't find a reliable comparison of these two motors on various types of terrain. The only video showing a comparison of five motors on a steep climb in the forest was a video from Pinkbike, but it had a very short segment devoted to the topic.
What struck me was the presenter's opinion, which claimed that the Avinox was difficult to control and less predictable, which is why the Bosch received higher ratings for climbs. Here's a link to the video for those who don't believe me: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/5-emtb-motors-review-bosch-dji-shimano-sram-specialized-2025.html
And it may seem like a miracle to you, but I haven't been able to test this bike anywhere until now and I recently met someone who has an Avinox in my city, as proof of which I can also send photos of my bike and his if it is to substantiate my thesis, which can be verified by testing both engines which you probably haven't done
That why I chose to describe me personal feelings after test.I specifically tested the system based on my needs and the terrain I ride on, so that anyone wondering what the differences are between these bikes would have a point of reference and could try them both out for themselves before purchasing.
This is further proof that, without comparison, it seems like an engineering marvel, but in reality, like everything else, it has its pros and cons. You have to test and compare to form an opinion. The question is, how many Avinox users have actually tested their colleagues' bikes with the Bosch CX5, not in a parking lot or fire road, but on forest technical climbs?
That was my point when i said that bosch is is incredibly refined and smooth when climbing any type of hill. Because You can have only one mode EMTB+ and it is so balanced that can give You any power You need at the right time. Avinox can't.
I would also like to know what your observations are after comparing both engines and I would be happy to hear your arguments for and against a given system.
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EDventure_Outdoors
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For what it is worth, I rode yesterday in 100° temperate for 1.5 hours - 1,457 elevation gain and 15 miles. The motor temperature averaged around 131° and peaked at 154° during climbs. The gauge averaged at normal (mid-green) and I didn't notice any power reduction. @Amflow_Support - This might be good data for you to know.
Mate. I couldn't care less about the Bosch. That's why I stay out of the Bosch threads. I also don't go and pester the people in the Bosch threads, to go and ride an Avinox motor because I find the Avinox motor superior. It's just going to piss them off.
But here's a comparison between the Avinox and Bosch CX motor on a technical climb from someone who owns both on the forum, and did it in Turbo. And it paints a completely picture to you and Alex. He finds the Avinox motor far superior in technical climing. This is because he set the EMTB up properly and has the MTB skills to regularly ride both technical up and downhill, on a more powerful EMTB. So can we put this to bed ???
"As I stated earlier
, there’s a technical hill climb (down hill for mtb) that I was not able to quite conquer with my previous Bosch Race Crestline. (Around ten previous attempts in 1st and 2nd gear)My FIRST attempt this morning with the RS181 I nailed it in 3rd gear!!! All the way up without taking a foot off the pedals, in Turbo mode."
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I have both and maybe can shed some light. I live near Bellingham where these bikes were conceived and met both owners. My Regulator CX is now 160/170 with vivid coil. I upgraded the dropper to 210 from 180. With all these upgrades, this bike is super dialed and on the same level as the...
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Perhaps learn to ride better, then set the Avinox motor up correctly. Then you and Alex may enjoy riding a more powerful EMTB. Otherwise stick to the motors better designed for beginners. The Bosch sounds perfect for you two ......
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It can just be personal preference ... not every motor is for everyone
I think the avinox has has a big advantage at a lower candence slowly over stuff, I dont know if its the torque or the speedsensor but I can keep moving when I would stall on other motors.
But at the same time if you are a higher cadence climber, any change in cadence/input gets amplified way more by the avinox therefore less control so you may prefer a lower power motor.
I think the avinox has has a big advantage at a lower candence slowly over stuff, I dont know if its the torque or the speedsensor but I can keep moving when I would stall on other motors.
But at the same time if you are a higher cadence climber, any change in cadence/input gets amplified way more by the avinox therefore less control so you may prefer a lower power motor.
