An Avinox thread rather than Amflow - why Auto is good

[Maxi]

I'm slowly getting out of the Bosch mindset where I would use different modes at different times. Initially, I setup my Amflow with the same approach with Auto 75nm/600W and Trail 85nm/750W. I would switch to Trail mode when I needed some more oompf for climbing / other. And don't get me wrong, it worked perfectly fine (including Glentress & Innerleithan).

But, after some googling and a bit of AI, I have come to the conclusion that I'm doing it wrong !

Bosch (eMTB / eMTB+) and Avinox (Auto) approach assist in different ways with Bosch very dependent on rider input whereas Avinox use an array of sensors to deliver the correct power at the right time. I'm not saying that the Bosch approach isn't good but I find the Avinox approach better for me.

Bit of a tweak with Auto set at 85nm/750W (acceleration 3, overrun 4, assisted start 4, continued assist 4) and went for a ride. 24km through the Lakes with 600m elevation gain on a huge variety of conditions (including bog up to the axles) just in Auto. Whilst the 'numbers' in Auto matched my old Trail settings, the handling was night / day. The bike reacted to needs, not just rider input, and long slow climbs up a Fell felt more 'relaxed' even though I was doing a lot of work. I was concerned about Auto using more battery than my old Auto/Trail settings but it didn't - finished the ride with 50% left.

And on the bike (why not). This is my 3rd eMTB (Cube, Lapierre, Amflow) and the geometry suits me really well (174cm, 93kg, Medium frame). My confidence has increased massively and I'm starting to like technical climbing and not just the down bits !

 

[TonTonUB]

Hello,

Same here. I ride an amflow PL MX'ed, 100% auto mode.
i've set the 2 sliders (min/max) to the max, with 850 W peak power, 32T chainring, 27,5 rear wheels.
Smothness, suppleness, progressivity, traction, control, grip, responsiveness are unrivaled.
And the energy consumption is so low ... The bike feels so natural to pedal, and to ride !

 

[nickf]

Bosch (eMTB / eMTB+) and Avinox (Auto) approach assist in different ways with Bosch very dependent on rider input whereas Avinox use an array of sensors to deliver the correct power at the right time.

Whilst the 'numbers' in Auto matched my old Trail settings, the handling was night / day. The bike reacted to needs, not just rider input,

Please don't take this as a critique of your comments, but I am genuinely curious how the Avinox Auto function delivers its support as compared to the Bosch eMTB mode (which I use 90% of the time). Can you elucidate what you mean when you say it "delivers the correct power at the right time" and it "reacts to needs not just rider input".

I suppose my question really is how does the motor "know" what the "correct" power you need is? Do you think it has a more sophisticated algorithm that can "understand" the trail conditions that you face, using a better analysis of the data from its inclination, speed, torque etc sensors ?

 

[Brawwp]

Please don't take this as a critique of your comments, but I am genuinely curious how the Avinox Auto function delivers its support as compared to the Bosch eMTB mode (which I use 90% of the time). Can you elucidate what you mean when you say it "delivers the correct power at the right time" and it "reacts to needs not just rider input".

I suppose my question really is how does the motor "know" what the "correct" power you need is? Do you think it has a more sophisticated algorithm that can "understand" the trail conditions that you face, using a better analysis of the data from its inclination, speed, torque etc sensors ?

I’ve owed Bosch and brose bikes. The Avinox auto is the best. I’m in it almost 100% of the time. Avinox to me feels more natural than the Bosch and has better traction control than both the Bosch and brose. I think it may have better sensors? Idk how it all works but it does it very well. Put it this way, I’m not thinking about the power and how it’s going to come on and behave even on techy stuff.

That’s not to say the Bosch is bad and if you’re happy with your bike, don’t feel like you need to go out and upgrade. It’s not such an insane difference that people need to sell and switch over asap, just try to ride one before your next bike purchase when you’re ready.

 

[TonTonUB]

Please don't take this as a critique of your comments, but I am genuinely curious how the Avinox Auto function delivers its support as compared to the Bosch eMTB mode (which I use 90% of the time). Can you elucidate what you mean when you say it "delivers the correct power at the right time" and it "reacts to needs not just rider input".

I suppose my question really is how does the motor "know" what the "correct" power you need is? Do you think it has a more sophisticated algorithm that can "understand" the trail conditions that you face, using a better analysis of the data from its inclination, speed, torque etc sensors ?

Hall effect rear wheel sensor.
42 times per wheel turn, the software knows the wheel speed, acceleration, deceleration. It's a direct link to the 'reality' combined to all other sensors (inside motor, torque sensor, cadence sensor, etc).

The result is mind blowing.

That's why i'm very curious to test the Mahle system, who has 84 points of position detection at the rear wheel.