Bafang M560

[xtraman122]

Thanks, that's a good point. I'm quite heavy like 120kg geared so some extra power is not bad sometimes. I currently have Bosch cx gen.4 and it is also louder than previous gen.3. Don't know how to compare with M560 though when it comes to noise. But power wise I'm pretty fine with Bosch, only sometimes I can feel it looses power in some steeper ascents (but admit it's also because of my weight). I guess M510 is a bit more powerful than bosch cx gen. 4 (at least on paper 110 vs 85Nm) but still it's hard to decide. M560 is unlocked to 45km/h which is a plus while M510 is locked to 25km/h which also makes me crazy. I have this power limit on Bosch and it's annoying sometimes. Don't know how hard would be to unlock M510.

The new M510 RS should be the sweet spot, still the same quiet internals of the M510 but with a little bump in power. Not available quite yet unfortunately. As for the speed limit, I figured you can set whatever you want with BESST, but I don’t know if there’s anything specific with the M510 keeping it locked at a different speed.

 

[Misenko]

The new M510 RS should be the sweet spot, still the same quiet internals of the M510 but with a little bump in power. Not available quite yet unfortunately. As for the speed limit, I figured you can set whatever you want with BESST, but I don’t know if there’s anything specific with the M510 keeping it locked at a different speed.

Hm, strange so what's difference with classic M510 because on bafang page M510 is listed with 110Nm as well. Same as M510 RS. I've read somewhere that for M510 the max speed can be set to 32km/h so not sure. Maybe for higher speeds you need a chip ? But then probably speed readings are screwed up. This is hell with Bosch smart systems.

 

[xtraman122]

Hm, strange so what's difference with classic M510 because on bafang page M510 is listed with 110Nm as well. Same as M510 RS. I've read somewhere that for M510 the max speed can be set to 32km/h so not sure. Maybe for higher speeds you need a chip ? But then probably speed readings are screwed up. This is hell with Bosch smart systems.

No chip, it would be done with programming with the BESST interface or something like the K1 tool.

Bafang did indeed update the torque numbers on all their motors, but we don’t actually have these new firmware files available yet. The RS is supposedly going to have a new controller and sensors, but a new “3.0” hardware version of the 510 has been spotted that could possibly have all that stuff in it already. Who knows, Bafang is an unmitigated disaster of information and releases, both software and hardware. It’s hard to make heads or tails of any of it.

 

[Misenko]

No chip, it would be done with programming with the BESST interface or something like the K1 tool.

Bafang did indeed update the torque numbers on all their motors, but we don’t actually have these new firmware files available yet. The RS is supposedly going to have a new controller and sensors, but a new “3.0” hardware version of the 510 has been spotted that could possibly have all that stuff in it already. Who knows, Bafang is an unmitigated disaster of information and releases, both software and hardware. It’s hard to make heads or tails of any of it.

I see So they can literally release it tomorrow or even the next year. No one knows. This software torque updates competition between manufacturers is killing me tbh. Nevertheless, I think I could buy M560 for now and if it would be a noise disaster for me I could update later to M510RS or ? I guess mounting will be the same so in worst case I can have such remedy. This is not possible with bosch and you have tied badly to their ecosystem and motor, battery, you name it.

What I don't understand is why the M560 is that loud in comparison with M510. I think both are using metal gears so what's the issue here

 

[Dado]

Is not dead silent, but is not that bad.

You need then wait for M560RS. There are some rumors will by with nylon gear.

 

[xtraman122]

I see So they can literally release it tomorrow or even the next year. No one knows. This software torque updates competition between manufacturers is killing me tbh. Nevertheless, I think I could buy M560 for now and if it would be a noise disaster for me I could update later to M510RS or ? I guess mounting will be the same so in worst case I can have such remedy. This is not possible with bosch and you have tied badly to their ecosystem and motor, battery, you name it.

What I don't understand is why the M560 is that loud in comparison with M510. I think both are using metal gears so what's the issue here

As far as I know the M510 uses one plastic gear, not all metal like the M560.

Is not dead silent, but is not that bad.

You need then wait for M560RS. There are some rumors will by with nylon gear.

I saw that post about it on Facebook this morning and couldn’t tell if it was serious or a joke. If it’s real why in the wouldn’t they have shown it at Eurobike alongside the M510? Such a strange company.

 

[Misenko]

Is not dead silent, but is not that bad.

You need then wait for M560RS. There are some rumors will by with nylon gear.

Thanks. I've already ordered E82 with M560, wish me luck I saw your video where you've showed latest version after April 2024 and it looks pretty acceptable and much quieter than the version you've showed before. In worst case I will later buy RS if the noise will be unbearable for me but hopefully not. I guess the mounting will be the same so it will fit. Bosch gen.4 is pretty loud as well with higher revs in comparison with gen.3 but I've got used to it.

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[Misenko]

As far as I know the M510 uses one plastic gear, not all metal like the M560.

I saw that post about it on Facebook this morning and couldn’t tell if it was serious or a joke. If it’s real why in the wouldn’t they have shown it at Eurobike alongside the M510? Such a strange company.

Ah, then it would explain it. The only thing I don't understand - this motor is out for how many years and still no aftermarket nylon gears available ? I would take nylon gear any day and in case of failure I would rather replace them. What's the deal here ? I know the power is high but I would rather restrict it and have quieter motor.

 

[xtraman122]

Ah, then it would explain it. The only thing I don't understand - this motor is out for how many years and still no aftermarket nylon gears available ? I would take nylon gear any day and in case of failure I would rather replace them. What's the deal here ? I know the power is high but I would rather restrict it and have quieter motor.

I’m with you, there was someone here who seemed interested in getting some made but I never saw any follow up on how it went, so I assume it never happened.

 

[Sayonara]

Is not dead silent, but is not that bad.

You need then wait for M560RS. There are some rumors will by with nylon gear.

It is still quite loud if you use it with a throttle and are use to Bosch Shimano or other Bafangs. But if you use it on trails instead of a silent asphalt riding then you barely notice it. It gets louder on higher rpms.

I don't get bothered about the noise but if I had an option to have less noise from the same motor I would take it.

 

[Misenko]

It is still quite loud if you use it with a throttle and are use to Bosch Shimano or other Bafangs. But if you use it on trails instead of a silent asphalt riding then you barely notice it. It gets louder on higher rpms.

I don't get bothered about the noise but if I had an option to have less noise from the same motor I would take it.

Let's see then. I will have a direct comparison with Bosch gen4 smart system so let's see how bad or not that bad it will be. I will post here my feelings for sure What I was also thinking what about to put extreme amount of some thick grease on gears ? Wouldn't it help with noise ?

What I was supper annoyed with gen4 was the ratchet mechanism on motor when pedaling backwards. If you are cruising your legs move slightly and the ratchet is triggered all the time causing a little clicks which are transferred into the frame so it's like your bike is clicking all the time. Really don't understand what idiot invented this. Is I've learned bafang not suffer from this since it uses one-way needle bearing so it is completely silent on backpedaling.

 

[Yasind76]

Hi guys, I want to buy E82 with M560 but saw some videos of the first revisions of these motors to be extremely loud. I wonder if latest revision after April 2024 is really "quieter" or not. I saw this video where the guy is saying he tested the motor with "new quiet gear" - not exactly sure what he means but he said he is very pleased with it. What are you experiences with it. I was even thinking to take M510 because of this but not sure if the power will be sufficient. Thanks.

I dont know how loud the first revision is but I got the quiet version and on higher rpm it gets louder and louder. Around 70-80 rpm its hearable but not loud. Lower its quieter ofcourse and at 120 rpm it sounds like a jet engine about to take off.

personally went mountainbiking and motor sound starts to sound annoying a little. But tbh the power of the m560 makes it still so worth it. Insane power.

friends said they actually liked the sound of the motor and paired with a shifting sensor tbh when the motor cuts off and u shift the sound changes and I think its pretty cool like ur in some race car

 

[Misenko]

I dont know how loud the first revision is but I got the quiet version and on higher rpm it gets louder and louder. Around 70-80 rpm its hearable but not loud. Lower its quieter ofcourse and at 120 rpm it sounds like a jet engine about to take off.

personally went mountainbiking and motor sound starts to sound annoying a little. But tbh the power of the m560 makes it still so worth it. Insane power.

friends said they actually liked the sound of the motor and paired with a shifting sensor tbh when the motor cuts off and u shift the sound changes and I think its pretty cool like ur in some race car

Thanks for insight. I can see it similar with my Bosch gen4. Also much noisier than gen.3 and the higher RPMs the bigger noise. I'm pretty fine with the power but sometimes I would like more power. But let's see how it is in reality.

What do you mean by shifting sensor ? What is it exactly ?

 

[Yasind76]

Thanks for insight. I can see it similar with my Bosch gen4. Also much noisier than gen.3 and the higher RPMs the bigger noise. I'm pretty fine with the power but sometimes I would like more power. But let's see how it is in reality.

What do you mean by shifting sensor ? What is it exactly ?

Shifting sensor senses when u shift and it cuts off power of the motor like 0.5 second otherwise on full power with the m560 u will either break ur chain or grab the attention of everyone around u with how loud it gets.

but I also agree with others say. M560 has too much power for daily use and when mountainbiking i only use 350w of motor power but I live in the netherlands and its flat here

 

[Misenko]

Shifting sensor senses when u shift and it cuts off power of the motor like 0.5 second otherwise on full power with the m560 u will either break ur chain or grab the attention of everyone around u with how loud it gets.

but I also agree with others say. M560 has too much power for daily use and when mountainbiking i only use 350w of motor power but I live in the netherlands and its flat here

Maybe I should have bought M510 at the end but you can always restrict a more powerful motor but not vice versa The noise is the only factor here. Weight is negligible I guess it's like 400g more for M560. On a 25kg bike it does not matter that much I guess.

But this sensor is where exactly ? In motor or where ? How the motor knows you've changed gear ? Because mechanical or ASX or Transmission shifters are not connected to bike. Wonder if Bosch gen4 has something like that as well but shifting under heavy load is a bit noisy

 

[xtraman122]

Maybe I should have bought M510 at the end but you can always restrict a more powerful motor but not vice versa The noise is the only factor here. Weight is negligible I guess it's like 400g more for M560. On a 25kg bike it does not matter that much I guess.

But this sensor is where exactly ? In motor or where ? How the motor knows you've changed gear ? Because mechanical or ASX or Transmission shifters are not connected to bike. Wonder if Bosch gen4 has something like that as well but shifting under heavy load is a bit noisy

There’s no sensor that integrates with Bafang that I’m aware of. Maybe he just meant the sound of the motor RPMs changing as you shift, which can make it sound a little like a car going through the gears and the RPMs drop and then climb back up while accelerating.

 

[Misenko]

There’s no sensor that integrates with Bafang that I’m aware of. Maybe he just meant the sound of the motor RPMs changing as you shift, which can make it sound a little like a car going through the gears and the RPMs drop and then climb back up while accelerating.

Yes, that is what I've thought. Bosch also has something like that since it sounds similar if changing gears but since you can go only up to 25km/h the effect is not that great I think motor will detect it by instant decrease of torque when you shift to lower or higher gear.

I know there are brakes with switch which can be connected with motor to cut the power after the lever is pressed e.g. Magura MT5e but not sure if it is worth it ? Any opinion on this ?

 

[Yasind76]

There’s no sensor that integrates with Bafang that I’m aware of. Maybe he just meant the sound of the motor RPMs changing as you shift, which can make it sound a little like a car going through the gears and the RPMs drop and then climb back up while accelerating.

Yeah thats what I meant. I think the motor sounds good with this.

also the shift sensor only works on mechanical derailleurs. Because the shift cable goes through the sensor and whenever u pull on the cable it cuts off motor power.

also personally @Misenko I think the choice to have power readily available to u whenever u want is better then having less noise.

u can change how much watt it outputs through besst tool I think on each mode or through ur phone with bafang go app if ur bikes display support Bluetooth. I personally do this.

 

[Yasind76]

Yes, that is what I've thought. Bosch also has something like that since it sounds similar if changing gears but since you can go only up to 25km/h the effect is not that great I think motor will detect it by instant decrease of torque when you shift to lower or higher gear.

I know there are brakes with switch which can be connected with motor to cut the power after the lever is pressed e.g. Magura MT5e but not sure if it is worth it ? Any opinion on this ?

Personally I was thinking of buying magura mt5e too but its not necessary. I have magura mt5 and 203mm disc's on each side and the brakes are insanely strong and rear brake is strong enough to stop motor from spinning. But ofcourse when stopping at a red light be carefull not to press the pedal when ur on a high mode otherwise u might launch on the road if u dont have strong brakes. But with the setup mentioned I dont have this issue

 

[Misenko]

also the shift sensor only works on mechanical derailleurs. Because the shift cable goes through the sensor and whenever u pull on the cable it cuts off motor power.

Are you sure about this ??? I thought the motor detects you are shifting when it detects sudden torque change while still pedaling. Is there really a sensor which detects cable movement of the shifter ??

I will definitely play with Bafang go app. Dengfu ships it with DPC245 so this one should support BT. Probably decreasing the power in some modes would help with noise as well. If it's not like an aircraft I would be fine with that

I ride only trails, no commuting so maybe it's really not necessary. I usually don't pedal when breaking so not sure how the brake switch could help here. Maybe it's a little bit faster ? Read it has like 0.3 - 0.5s overrun, although some users had issue with that saying it takes much longer which could be an issue. But maybe it was torque sensor issue.

 

[Yasind76]

Are you sure about this ??? I thought the motor detects you are shifting when it detects sudden torque change while still pedaling. Is there really a sensor which detects cable movement of the shifter ??

I will definitely play with Bafang go app. Dengfu ships it with DPC245 so this one should support BT. Probably decreasing the power in some modes would help with noise as well. If it's not like an aircraft I would be fine with that

I ride only trails, no commuting so maybe it's really not necessary. I usually don't pedal when breaking so not sure how the brake switch could help here. Maybe it's a little bit faster ? Read it has like 0.3 - 0.5s overrun, although some users had issue with that saying it takes much longer which could be an issue. But maybe it was torque sensor issue.

Yes I am sure, I have bafang ss01 shifter on the shifting cable right before it gets on the derailleur. The shift sensor is connected to another cable, I think a 1T3 cable but it should be included hopefully. Motor doesnt detect torque change when shifting it will just continue outputting 1250 watts with 140nm torque and just be really loude when shifting unless u stop pedaling for a second like mentioned by Dado or going up till ur at a higer rpm cuz torque decreases.

also how much power going through the motor does not affect the noise. It's as loud as lowest mode and highest mode in my opinion. It's the RPMs that really affect it.

The overrun is good enough most of the times, no danger here. But yeah sometimes my bafang m560 trips and gives me like 2 second overrun, brakes are plenty strong to stop the motor tho so its not an issue.

 

[xtraman122]

Yes I am sure, I have bafang ss01 shifter on the shifting cable right before it gets on the derailleur. The shifter is connected to another cable, I think a 1T3 cable but it should be included hopefully. Motor doesnt detect torque change when shifting it will just continue outputting 1250 watts with 140nm torque and just be really loude when shifting unless u stop pedaling for a second like mentioned by Dado or going up till ur at a higer rpm cuz torque decreases.

also how much power going through the motor does not affect the noise. It's as loud as lowest mode and highest mode in my opinion. It's the RPMs that really affect it.

The overrun is good enough most of the times, no danger here. But yeah sometimes my bafang m560 trips and gives me like 2 second overrun, brakes are plenty strong to stop the motor tho so its not an issue.

I totally forgot about the old mechanical shift sensor, I had one of those on my original BBSHD hard tail bike but never considered it now that I have wireless shifting. They don’t have any SRAM integration like DJI recently added.

Regarding the brake sensors, I actually bought MT5e’s thinking I’d need it until I realized virtually no other bikes come with brake sensors. I honestly never even hooked them up at all and ended up removing the switches and putting them back to normal because I didn’t like the extra movement the lever had to actuate the switch. It can be done, but just isn’t really necessary if you know how to ride properly.

 

[Yasind76]

I totally forgot about the old mechanical shift sensor, I had one of those on my original BBSHD hard tail bike but never considered it now that I have wireless shifting. They don’t have any SRAM integration like DJI recently added.

Regarding the brake sensors, I actually bought MT5e’s thinking I’d need it until I realized virtually no other bikes come with brake sensors. I honestly never even hooked them up at all and ended up removing the switches and putting them back to normal because I didn’t like the extra movement the lever had to actuate the switch. It can be done, but just isn’t really necessary if you know how to ride properly.

What wireless shifter do u have? Does it handle the bafang m560 on full power or do u ease off the pedals? Can ur chain survive the power too?

Would want to get wireless shifter in the future too but id be afraid the chains are weaker then a linkglide chain

 

[xtraman122]

What wireless shifter do u have? Does it handle the bafang m560 on full power or do u ease off the pedals? Can ur chain survive the power too?

Would want to get wireless shifter in the future too but id be afraid the chains are weaker then a linkglide chain

I use a SRAM GX T-Type. No issues so far, and no, I don't let up at all for the most part. It's held up great so far taking abuse from the motor and my derailleur physically taking some hits from rocks and sticks getting jammed in there and it keeps coming back for more. I only have 250 miles on it so far, which I realize is nothing to brag about, but no issues so far so I expect it to last a while.

I only let my motor peak around 620W with the modes I use, so I can imagine running this maxed out at 1200W would be significantly worse for the drivetrain. People are running these T-Types on DJI bikes and every other e-bike out there though and they seem to take the abuse very well.

 

[Misenko]

Yes I am sure, I have bafang ss01 shifter on the shifting cable right before it gets on the derailleur. The shift sensor is connected to another cable, I think a 1T3 cable but it should be included hopefully. Motor doesnt detect torque change when shifting it will just continue outputting 1250 watts with 140nm torque and just be really loude when shifting unless u stop pedaling for a second like mentioned by Dado or going up till ur at a higer rpm cuz torque decreases.

also how much power going through the motor does not affect the noise. It's as loud as lowest mode and highest mode in my opinion. It's the RPMs that really affect it.

The overrun is good enough most of the times, no danger here. But yeah sometimes my bafang m560 trips and gives me like 2 second overrun, brakes are plenty strong to stop the motor tho so its not an issue.

Ah! Now I know what do you mean. Indeed there is shift sensor avalilable. Now this is quite interesting because with Bosch I often had an issue that when I was shifting under load the motor was still engaged and there was some ugly grinding noise when shifting.

So as I 've understood I would need 1T3 cable to connect speed sensor, shift cable and ligt.... Throttle I don't need.

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then is this correct speed sensor or it does not matter what type ? And where exactly you have it mounted, somewhere hidden in frame?

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They say for bafang M500 an M600 but I guess it could work for M560 as well right ?

Thx.

 

[Misenko]

What wireless shifter do u have? Does it handle the bafang m560 on full power or do u ease off the pedals? Can ur chain survive the power too?

Would want to get wireless shifter in the future too but id be afraid the chains are weaker then a linkglide chain

I have GX T-type as well. But with some gears especially when shifting to larger cogs under load it's grinding. And bosch is not that powerful. But maybe it's a cassette because I've switched from T-TYPE to mechanical V70 and there is the same problem on those gears so start to believe it's a cassette. It's a GX cassette so all gears connected with pins.

But I guess that shifter sensor for mechanical could help here pretty much. It's really big stress on divertrain and chain when shifting under load with such powerful motors. It can strip your chain or break the teeth on a cassette. Also wear is much more because of this.

So I'm not sure now what to do. I can go both ways, mechanical or T-Type. I even have spare ASX X0 somewhere But I even wanted to switch to Shimano drivetrain since I'm not that happy with Sram. I'm crazy I know Never satisfied

 

[xtraman122]

Ah! Now I know what do you mean. Indeed there is shift sensor avalilable. Now this is quite interesting because with Bosch I often had an issue that when I was shifting under load the motor was still engaged and there was some ugly grinding noise when shifting.

So as I 've understood I would need 1T3 cable to connect speed sensor, shift cable and ligt.... Throttle I don't need.

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Bafang M560 M600 M500 M510 m410 M200 M820 speed sensor /light cable/harness;

www.greenbikekit.com

then is this correct speed sensor or it does not matter what type ? And where exactly you have it mounted, somewhere hidden in frame?

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They say for bafang M500 an M600 but I guess it could work for M560 as well right ?

Thx.

It would work with the M560, yeah. It works just like the brake sensors in that any time the sensor sees movement, it just sends an open/close signal change to the input going to the controller so it just cuts power. The shift sensor is interchangeable with a brake sensor in that regard, they're very basic on/off type sensors that completely kill the motor power when engaged, they're nothing at all like the integration with the SRAM derailleurs or Linkglide stuff that intelligently lower (Without completely killing) power when shifting or run the motor when not pedaling to shift for you.

 

[Yasind76]

Ah! Now I know what do you mean. Indeed there is shift sensor avalilable. Now this is quite interesting because with Bosch I often had an issue that when I was shifting under load the motor was still engaged and there was some ugly grinding noise when shifting.

So as I 've understood I would need 1T3 cable to connect speed sensor, shift cable and ligt.... Throttle I don't need.

Bafang M560 M600 M500 M510 m410 M200 M820 speed sensor /light cable/harness-greenbikekit.com BBS, ebike batteries, Bafang M620, Bafang M600, Bafang M500, Bafang M510, KT controller with display-GreenBikeKit.com

Bafang M560 M600 M500 M510 m410 M200 M820 speed sensor /light cable/harness;

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then is this correct speed sensor or it does not matter what type ? And where exactly you have it mounted, somewhere hidden in frame?

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They say for bafang M500 an M600 but I guess it could work for M560 as well right ?

Thx.

I don't think thats the right 1T3 cable. Because shift sensor has a yellow plug. The cable had rear light support. Speed sensor plug and a yellow plug i think, and yes m500 and m600 would still work


the shift sensor isnt THAT great but it does it job to slow down wear on my driveterain i think (500km and 0% wear on chain or driveterain). Like sometimes if u shift and the derailleur shifts too fast u will still be changing gear under high power or if ur derailleur is too slow the same happens. But most of the times it does its job and its perfectly timed. Although this could only be an issue if ur pulling full power (1200w+) all the time which wont be happening anyway so it should be fine.

 

[Yasind76]

I use a SRAM GX T-Type. No issues so far, and no, I don't let up at all for the most part. It's held up great so far taking abuse from the motor and my derailleur physically taking some hits from rocks and sticks getting jammed in there and it keeps coming back for more. I only have 250 miles on it so far, which I realize is nothing to brag about, but no issues so far so I expect it to last a while.

I only let my motor peak around 620W with the modes I use, so I can imagine running this maxed out at 1200W would be significantly worse for the drivetrain. People are running these T-Types on DJI bikes and every other e-bike out there though and they seem to take the abuse very well.

I dont know how my shimano linkglide would hold up compared to these t type drive terains. Would love to know but my bike doesnt have UDH (i dont have the budget either) but for a total of 150 euro for the derailleur + casette + shifter + chain i think its great and if something breaks down its whatever anyway cuz it wasnt much

 

[Misenko]

I dont know how my shimano linkglide would hold up compared to these t type drive terains. Would love to know but my bike doesnt have UDH (i dont have the budget either) but for a total of 150 euro for the derailleur + casette + shifter + chain i think its great and if something breaks down its whatever anyway cuz it wasnt much

Well I can tell you you don't miss much. It's just a hype, I found it no better than mechanical at the end and to be honest I like the feeling of mechanical shifting better. That's why I've switched from GX T-type to Sram V70 which is mechanical T-type shifter.