not great on the Gobao - I reckon I would be smacking it a fair bit on my local rides
the Avinox axle position looks good.
Avinox Reveals its Motor Gearbox
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the Avinox axle position looks good.
I feel like no one would have cancelled an M2S order, if only Gabao had released this product. We've never even heard of this company, and it feels like Avinox made it feel much more like the immediate and valid future by jumping in.
Anyways, it's coming now!
Anyways, it's coming now!
Rob said he rode it, he was just asked not to film it, said it was good on the limited car park ride he did.
I think people need to be prepared for the possibility that the ecvt drives have a different feel to conventional derailleurs. The connection between the pedals and the wheel is likely to feel a little spongy. If you just want to power up fire-roads then mostly freewheel downhills then this is unlikely to matter much; and I also think it will feel quite nice to have a bit of cushion once you get used to it, sprag hubs have a little of this and it actually feels good to me. But there will be some people who really won't like it. So I can easily imagine a scenario where someone waits for the MGU and then doesn't like it on a test ride and buys the conventional version instead, but what would really suck is if they waited and bought the MGU without a test ride and THEN found they didn't like it!
slickrock
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Auto mode is coming for you DD, yeah they're coming for you:
Gyroscope and now AI vision using inverse reinforcement learning tech making auto mode all that more predictive. Could even learn your riding habits.
TheKaiser
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Slightly off topic, but regarding auto shifting vs. manual I just saw this article:
Does Driving a Manual Transmission Keep Your Brain Healthy? Japanese Researchers Say Yes
Neuroscientists believe that rowing your own gears helps work out the brain's prefrontal cortex.
www.roadandtrack.com
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ArmyOfEvilRobots
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Heh; whatever did people do to keep their brains working before the advent of the stick shift...Slightly off topic, but I regarding auto shifting vs. manual I just saw this article:
Does Driving a Manual Transmission Keep Your Brain Healthy? Japanese Researchers Say Yes
Neuroscientists believe that rowing your own gears helps work out the brain's prefrontal cortex.
I suspect it was a slow news week for Road&Track.
An Avinox executive said clearly at Eurobike that their MG platform would be on sale "next year."
Further evidence of the MG being just over the horizon was Commencal's lead designer saying that moving forward, their high-end eMTBs would be Avinox MG only.
Lastly, Avinox said bike manufacturers already have MG bikes being tested in the field.
If you already had an M1 EMTB. You may have thought about not getting the M2S and waiting for the MGU. I certainly wouldn't have bought my M2S in April if I knew Avinox and Gobao were releasing E-CVT MGUs in 2027. I would just stuck with my M1 Amflow till the MGU came out.
For trail riding, the Amflow with M1 and SRAM ASX Electronic derailleur is fine. But in an Enduro. I want an MGU. I'll just be able to attack rocky chunk harder and faster, without fear of derailleur damage.
Right now I always ride with the exposure of my derailleur in mind. It's literally the only thing I consciously focus on to not do damage to. This does limit your ability to attack tight twisty technical runs at full tilt.
Blownoutrides
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Wow. What a time to be riding bikes!
Avinox can’t even keep up with M2 demand now, so while he may technically not be lying in stating the gearbox will be on sale in ‘27, my suspicion is that it will be in such limited batches that 2028 will be more realistic.
I’m still a little salty waiting 8+ months for my m1 bike.
TheKaiser
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What M1 bike are you waiting on? Surely by now, they will have swapped the spec to an M2 or M2S, no? Or are they still making new M1 motors?
Sorry, I wasn’t clear, I received my bike in November. (Technically in October, but the moronic government shutdown meant it sat in port for an extra month)
But I have little faith Avinox will be able to supply the MG at scale. The Amflow PX isn’t stateside yet, and the PR delivery dates are a mystery.
Blownoutrides
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I buy $10k cars SO I can by $10k bikes lol
ArmyOfEvilRobots
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This is the way, and the light.
Blownoutrides
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I laugh whenever I see people complaining about “dentist bike” pricing… like, bro stop giving your money to your dentist (insert missing tooth smile)
doochenozzle
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What’s the equivalent chainring size im looking at here? I do think the Gobao hangs down too far. If the Avinox has a better form factor - or just sits higher I’d wait another year for it.
This will be money in the bank, I put multiple chains and cassettes a year and that shit ain’t cheap. This will be a one and done if they go with belt drive or even with chain you are taking 80% less maintenance than the century old same shit drivetrain we’ve been putting up with. I’m all in.
slickrock
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I'm convinced, SRAM, mostly SRAM is on notice. A T-Type GX AXS group alone, without crank and pedals is $1000+. Up close, I look their T-type transmission and can see the expense that a derailleur has evolved into: all the electronics, stepping motors, clutches, gear clusters, controls, micro shiting, etc. It's an apex derailleur and it's not even their top line, and to tell the truth there really is nowhere left to go with this, other than to pare it down. It didn't have to be this way, but that's where the margins are chased - in the realm of higher-end ebikes.
An ECVT is just a bit more complicated than the motor already on your ebike - add one more smaller motor and open up the step-down planetary gear that's already there. So on net, you EMTB just got a lot less complex and a lot cheaper to manufacture. Even if don't jack up your bougie derailleur system every 500 miles, there's no way Gabao or Avinox is going to charge a grand more for their motors that end up on the new slate of bikes. The value prop is there at the get go, without adding replacement reserves.
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Good news (aka, wishful thinking) Emtb Weather report... Time to launch Operation: Epic Flurry. Gobao to blanket the market, freeze out the Avinox waiting list, and drop enough motors to rescue everyone stranded by Avinox's supply drought.
I'm reserving judgement until I actually ride one, but it will have to have serious "feel" issues for me not to want one.
I am also very glad that there is more than one player entering the market. If it was just a single company I am pretty sure they would set their price very close to that of a current motor and high end transmission regardless of the cost to produce. Long (maybe not that long) term I think there will be a substantial saving passed on to the customer.
I also noticed that the GoBao motor controller on the left handlebar includes a button for a dropper. I wonder if this is intended to actuate 3rd party wireless droppers or they will be bringing their own out? Either way it should save the money (and separate battery) of a dropper specific remote.
I also suspect that both motor companies may well set their sights on suspension next. Could well lead to bike prices dropping a lot when all these things are combined.
So do you think riders will continue to buy name brands at higher prices when more affordable options arrive
It depends on performance. If they are just offering cheap generic stuff equivalent to what is spec'd on lower end bikes then it won't take many sales. But if they are offering auto-adjusting electronic dampers etc that integrate nicely with the drivetrain, sharing power supply and bar controls then a lot of people are going to be very interested.
A lot of riders are very nervous about suspension settings, even if you understand how they all effect the ride AND you are a good enough rider to feel the difference, you still have to choose a setting and have it be a compromise at different speeds and on different terrain. IF they offer self adjusting suspension that you just ignore and does even a moderately good job of being suitable at any given time then I think that will be "good enough" for a lot of people. Even better if you phone App tells you to add a few psi, or change the spring or add volume tokens.
SRAM and Fox will both have competing products, but without the integration with the drivetrain for power and controls they could easily be at a disadvantage.
Agree. I could see an ecvt full fat enduro bike + a SL trail bike with mech shifters being a good combo for 2027.
As an analogy my favorite car is a six speed stick and very light , low horsepower (Maxda MX5) yet it corners till the cows come home and an amazing sense of speed. When you drive a manual, you are completely in sync with the car. Instead of waiting for a mushy automatic to guess the right gear, you decide exactly when to drop into third to power through a sharp curve. Feeling the precise click of the shifter and the immediate surge of RPMs gives you total control over the machine.
Diby2000
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Agreed.
And a "manualised auto" is still not the same thing. Just does not drive the same. I think controlling the clutch pedal makes the difference.
Saying this, I agree with G-Sport
I will reserve my judgement until I can get on one. But with speed and accuracy of electronic control these days I would be very surprised if the person on the cranks can 'feel' much slop.
Yes so much to consider with such a quantum change in drive train tech. It will definitely have huge advantages and until we get our hands on one it is hard to know what preferences will be. It has a lot of potential to add to the rider's experience.
Bosch seem to be the quiet ones in this MGU hype. Is it the case of “watch the quiet ones” or are they genuinely being left behind.
Bought a Wild M10 Team custom MyO last year and I’m happy with my purchase, but all this new hype makes me nervous that diminishing returns will see what was 8.5k bike, turn into nothing more than £1k when MGUs are released.
Still, I’m enjoying my bike and even though it’s not avinox enabled it’s till a great experience when riding it.
Getting compliments on my black/kashima colourway feels good. These new bikes though are already a lot better than something a year old
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Bought a Wild M10 Team custom MyO last year and I’m happy with my purchase, but all this new hype makes me nervous that diminishing returns will see what was 8.5k bike, turn into nothing more than £1k when MGUs are released.
Still, I’m enjoying my bike and even though it’s not avinox enabled it’s till a great experience when riding it.
Getting compliments on my black/kashima colourway feels good. These new bikes though are already a lot better than something a year old
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