Avinox M2

[ozzybmx]

Somebody already posted an actual picture of the M2S and it’s doesn’t look anything like that.

With AI these days, I wont believe a picture till its posted by Avinox themselves.

3 motors above, increasing in size by power, 1 mounted and 2 floating in the air.

 

[slickrock]

Somebody already posted an actual picture of the M2S and it’s doesn’t look anything like that.

Yep. Provenance of prior image more suspect. CF detail looked like image texturing. Still need to see drivetrain side.

 

[Wah]

Here’s a covered up Avinox on a propain from the cycle world expo. Looks the same as the other photo.

 

[Winford]

in turbo at max effort, after an hour everyone is cooked.

That is how our area is, the endurance capitol of the world. Steep Canyons. If you ride our 800w batteries down at a quick pace, your done physically. BUT if you cruise ive been draining 1700w by draining 2 bikes down to nothing. 56 miles of single track 6500' in elevation, and that is an ass kicker if your cruising. I ride and park 28 miles from home, and ride home switch bikes and ride back to the car. I dont want a range extender. 130nm? hell yes!

 

[DylanJM]

Yeah, that screenshot implies there is a difference in the gear pack or something. Composite case seems like it wouldn’t be good for heat dissipation, but it sure looks like there’s woven mat.

The other thing that is clear from that pic is the M2 and M2S can hover in free space. The M1 needs a little stand. Impressive.

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This image is AI generated garbage.

 

[Eduardoramundo]

Wait... that M2S looks to have CF housing. Mounting looks identical. Would like to see other side to see if there are chain guard mounts. What's the image source?

It’s clearly an Ai fake to get people to watch his YouTube vid.

 

[madre]

 

[Petrex]

Yes - I can definitely see M2S

 

[b4rt]

m3 currently being tested internally
m4 r&d
dji style
/s

heee @Bogdan_CH
it might be true

 

[TonTonUB]

.... and simplify it, I bought the first version of XT Linkglide for my Ibis nearly 3yrs ago, then it went LG400, LG300, 11sp, 10spd... now Cues in all different combos. They also lightened the original XT LG400 cassette, mine was 800g for 11-51t, the next generation went down to somewhere around the 600g mark.

As you said, why doesn't Shimano or SRAM come out with a XTe or X0e/GXe groupset, 10 spd with 11-46t range, beefed up cassette and HD chain. None of this Cues crap in several levels, label it 'e' so there's no guess work and make a simple mechanical mid range drivetrain able to withstand the power of modern ebike motors.

Full linkglide setup too, ultra reliable.
We need 8-9 casette with BMX chains and resized derailleurs.
All 12speed aluminium crap is ok for mtb, not for E-mtb (plus it's useless, considering the power reached).
On another side, M1 on auto mode is far enough for me.
All i wish now (and need) is volume and mass reduction.

Super hyped about upcoming models in avinox for 2026 and later (and CVT plz).

also, the propain looks nice. We need more aluminium options (and also forged carbon, build in Europe / USA).

AND FRAME KITS PLEASE !

 

[Wojtek]

Full linkglide setup too, ulyta reliable.
We eed 8-9 casette with BMX chains and resized derailleurs.
All 12speed aluminium crap is ok for mtb, not for E-mtb (plus it's useless, considering the power reached).
On another side, M1 on auto mode is far enough for me.
All i wish now (and need) is volume and mass reduction.

Super hyped about upcoming models in avinox for 2026 and later (and CVT plz).

Alose, the propain looks nice. We need more aluminium option (and also forged carbon, build in Europe / USA).

AND FRAME KITS PLEASE !

The weight increase from BMX casette/ chain would indeed be justified for most of us i assume.

But marketing seems to be chasing power and weight over durability and range.

 

[Highland Wheels]

150nm on Boost will be a bit spicy

 

[Pyr0]

If I get one, I think I'll probably be turning that down a bit.

 

[Endorium]

If I get one, I think I'll probably be turning that down a bit.

Be tuning mine to 80nm

 

[Red Peekay]

150nm on Boost will be a bit spicy

I hear of you run out on boost mode too long

150nm on Boost will be a bit spicy

I hear if you run it on boost too long, the sun goes into eclipse!!

 

[ozzybmx]

All 12speed aluminium crap is ok for mtb, not for E-mtb (plus it's useless, considering the power reached).

Been having a decent run from 12spd Shimano SLX cassettes. They have 11 steel cogs and 1 big alu cog vs XT which the only difference is 10 steel and 2 big alu cogs. Never use the biggest cog anyway.

On another side, M1 on auto mode is far enough for me.

Yeah its a great mode, mass amounts of power compared to other motors. My M1 in Auto is more powerful than my Bosch in Turbo and I rode that bike 95% of the time in EMTB mode.

 

[Winford]

SLX cassettes.

100% correct, but Shimano cassettes do not handle power well, ad they are short lived.

Been running those on my Canyon with a EP801 and 85nm tears them up 1500 miles ish, with dipping chain in wax every two rides. And 95% of the time, a second new chain will still hop on the cassette once it starts hopping which is end of life for all Shimano 12 sp cassettes. I only got 900 miles with manual shifting, electronic shifting upgraded life expectancy to the 1500. I few i got close to 1800 but most did not get that far if you ride hard. Buddy got 3000 miles but he is an ECO warrior.

Ive found the Sram to shift much cleaner under load, with electronic shifting compared to Shimanos electronic shifting.

Longevity im still working on. My first 1295 died at 600 miles after snapping a chain in race conditions, which bent a cog in the middle of the cassette, so a few gears never would shift right afterwards. Im over 1000 miles on my second cassette a 1275, and the chain needed replaced at 850 ish miles. Through the 35 dollar cheapy chain on and its been working good as the blk ones, and the cassette is shifting like new again. You could not do that with Shimano most of the time. On an Amflow? it would tear up the Shimano garbage quickly, I doubt you would get the same miles out of it, with the added power. Sram have a different tooth profile that does not hop like Shimanos do under load.

 

[Winford]

M1 on auto mode is far enough for me.

Not everyday man! Some days you need to let the dog loose. Lol you are missing the most fun there is! There is nothing like setting turbo to 1000w and hitting a 5 to 10 mile segment in class 3 flying up and down the trails. I like going up as fast as most can go down.

 

[Wojtek]

Not everyday man! Some days you need to let the dog loose. Lol you are missing the most fun there is! There is nothing like setting turbo to 1000w and hitting a 5 to 10 mile segment in class 3 flying up and down the trails. I like going up as fast as most can go down.

Power to the People!!!

 

[TonTonUB]

Been having a decent run from 12spd Shimano SLX cassettes. They have 11 steel cogs and 1 big alu cog vs XT which the only difference is 10 steel and 2 big alu cogs. Never use the biggest cog anyway.



Yeah its a great mode, mass amounts of power compared to other motors. My M1 in Auto is more powerful than my Bosch in Turbo and I rode that bike 95% of the time in EMTB mode.

Plus auto mode is SO controled, smooth, natural. The avinox auto-mode is a master class that all lazy motor designers (putting 1, 2 or 3 magnets at the rear wheel) should learn (and fast).

PS : reading your signature reminds me how desirable is an updated OSO with an avinox !

 

[Eduardoramundo]

@Greg Watts Why has everything from Wed to Sunday been removed from this thread?

 

[Greg Watts]

@Greg Watts Why has everything from Wed to Sunday been removed from this thread?

That's a question for the moderators rather than me, I'm afraid. I'm the forum's AI assistant - I answer questions about bikes, motors, and suspension. Thread moderation, post removal, and why specific content disappeared between particular dates is firmly outside my jurisdiction.

@Red Peekay, @Winford or any of the regulars here might have noticed what happened, or you could flag it directly with the mod team.

 

[Zimmerframe]

@Greg Watts Why has everything from Wed to Sunday been removed from this thread?

I can see everything..

 

[Mario Antony]

For full power Ebikes a 38/40 would be more than enoght. I never use the last 2 or 3 big rings.

I find it a miss they didn't launch that DH deraileur for a more packed smaller ratio cassete.

Well, that depends a lot on your trails.
I have steep and very steep climbs, that can easily reach 22°/25° (~ 35% // 40%) but in some places are almost around +30° (=50%).

I use 34-50t, and it's hard, very hard!

 

[Eduardoramundo]

I can see everything..

 

[Moderator]

Nothing is showing as deleted in the thread or the logs.

There are a number of similar threads so everyone was most likely posting in one of those in between the dates you highlighted.

 

[Ribinrobin]

Saw the m2 in the new amflow yesterday in the wilds of the surrey hills we didnt discuss numbers but you can def feel the difference is what i was told. M2 logo in red as the spy shots etc

 

[Mario Antony]

I think you are right but it all depends on the trails you ride or where you live. I live in an area with big vertical climbs and long miles. Our climbs can be 7000-9000 ft vert and 25-40 miles. Most all have extenders. The few that dont have extenders carry extra batteries.

That's quite a ride!
Even using ebikes, you do a proper exercise on those trails!

Correct if I'm wrong:

[Converted to SI, for work it faster: 40km//65km & 2100m//2750m].

Ride A ~40km/2100m ~ 50m of climb for each km ridden
Ride B ~65km/2750m ~ 42m of climb for each km ridden

At thoses rates you'll be consuming something like
Ride A ~ 27Wh/km ~ 1880Wh @ max power (if using less powerfull modes and deracted motors I think it can reach around 1150Wh)
Ride B ~ 22Wh/km ~ 1430Wh @ max power (Deracted power + less powerfull mode it would be ~ 860Wh)


Question:
Do you carry same battery capacity on the backpack, or a lower power capacity?
Meaning, using a 750Wh and a 625Wh battery (Bosch)

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

100% correct, but Shimano cassettes do not handle power well, ad they are short lived.

Been running those on my Canyon with a EP801 and 85nm tears them up 1500 miles ish, with dipping chain in wax every two rides. And 95% of the time, a second new chain will still hop on the cassette once it starts hopping which is end of life for all Shimano 12 sp cassettes. I only got 900 miles with manual shifting, electronic shifting upgraded life expectancy to the 1500. I few i got close to 1800 but most did not get that far if you ride hard. Buddy got 3000 miles but he is an ECO warrior.

Ive found the Sram to shift much cleaner under load, with electronic shifting compared to Shimanos electronic shifting.

Longevity im still working on. My first 1295 died at 600 miles after snapping a chain in race conditions, which bent a cog in the middle of the cassette, so a few gears never would shift right afterwards. Im over 1000 miles on my second cassette a 1275, and the chain needed replaced at 850 ish miles. Through the 35 dollar cheapy chain on and its been working good as the blk ones, and the cassette is shifting like new again. You could not do that with Shimano most of the time. On an Amflow? it would tear up the Shimano garbage quickly, I doubt you would get the same miles out of it, with the added power. Sram have a different tooth profile that does not hop like Shimanos do under load.

Interesting experience, the added life with electronic shifting and Shimano cassette... 12spd Di2? I can see transmission, or specifically t-type cassette, due to different shift ramp design which results in slower albeit smoother shifts? I've also heard, in general, higher-end SRAM cassettes last longer. Not sure if its the material, treating, shift profiles or one piece construction (as opposed to Shimano).

I can see with mechanical forcing multiple shifts under load being a detriment to drivetrain life. I've mostly run XT on my analog bikes and its held up well. Usually trail debris ends up cutting life short on my drivetrains... either taking out the RD, wheel spokes, and/or cassette (cracked spider). I haven't worn out a cassette yet and longest in-service one is on my short-travel trail bike with 2500 miles.

That said, I bent a cog on a NX cassette on my last eMTB being a bit overzealous with shifts. Current eMTB has Shimano deore and time will tell. I've considered going to linkglide to gain a shorter RD cage (MX) and durability.

 

[B-man]

That's quite a ride!
Even using ebikes, you do a proper exercise on those trails!

Correct if I'm wrong:

[Converted to SI, for work it faster: 40km//65km & 2100m//2750m].

Ride A ~40km/2100m ~ 50m of climb for each km ridden
Ride B ~65km/2750m ~ 42m of climb for each km ridden

At thoses rates you'll be consuming something like
Ride A ~ 27Wh/km ~ 1880Wh @ max power (if using less powerfull modes and deracted motors I think it can reach around 1150Wh)
Ride B ~ 22Wh/km ~ 1430Wh @ max power (Deracted power + less powerfull mode it would be ~ 860Wh)


Question:
Do you carry same battery capacity on the backpack, or a lower power capacity?
Meaning, using a 750Wh and a 625Wh battery (Bosch)

I have an 840wh battery and a 280wh extender in my Levo Gen4. 1120wh is perfect for my riding.