Article Video: Teewing Flux 180mm, high-pivot, Avinox EMTB first look and ride

I have removed the motor and battery from my Amflow, which is almost identical. Whilst it's not a difficult job. It's not something you want to try at the trailhead.
Why not? How long does it take? Are there lots of fragile connectors or something?
 
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I know the Flux bikes are just starting to get into riders hands. I am curious, have any of you who have them tried removing the battery yet? If so, I am curious how difficult it was, as the Pinkbike article suggested that, while not a "removable" battery in the same sense that the Amflow PR is, it is still easy enough that a battery swap in the parking lot at the trailhead wasn't out of the question.

I am also curious about the shape of the battery compartment, and if it seems like it could accommodate something other than the 800wh, such as either the 700wh (which is basically the same length as the 800, but rounder in shape), or the 600wh (which is the same width and height as the 800wh, but about 125mm shorter in length).

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I bring this, with 14 kWh of LifePo4 batteries on board (and enough food to feed everyone at the bike park). But I still don't want to spend half my time waiting for the bike to charge. An 800 Wh battery lasts me about 90 minutes of self-shuttling, and it takes over 2 hours to charge up again. It's sad that virtually none of the new Avinox bikes have swappable batteries.
 
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I bring this, with 14 kWh of LifePo4 batteries on board (and enough food to feed everyone at the bike park). But I still don't want to spend half my time waiting for the bike to charge. An 800 Wh battery lasts me about 90 minutes of self-shuttling, and it takes over 2 hours to charge up again. It's sad that virtually none of the new Avinox bikes have swappable batteries.
Amazing.

That $4999 Amflow is pretty appealing. My buddy has a trek with a removable battery and it has flown out on multiple occasions. Hopefully they’ve improved the designs since that model.
 
Amazing.

That $4999 Amflow is pretty appealing. My buddy has a trek with a removable battery and it has flown out on multiple occasions. Hopefully they’ve improved the designs since that model.
I really wish Amflow had come out with a proper enduro bike - they'd fly off the shelves. The PR is a good start but I want a Cat 5 with >170mm travel, and preferably approved for a dual crown. The Crestline is the only Avinox bike with a removable battery that meets those criteria, but the seat tube is too long (or reach too short, depending on what size I'm looking at).
 
I really wish Amflow had come out with a proper enduro bike - they'd fly off the shelves. The PR is a good start but I want a Cat 5 with >170mm travel, and preferably approved for a dual crown. The Crestline is the only Avinox bike with a removable battery that meets those criteria, but the seat tube is too long (or reach too short, depending on what size I'm looking at).
What is required to swap the battery on the Crestline? I see it has that distinct "belly" in the tube, so I am guessing that it can be accessed right under a cover, without touching the motor mounts. Asking because the battery is still the same "internal" type used on this Teewing, and I am wondering, since swapping the internal battery in a parking lot is viable on the Crestline, how much more time is required on the Teewing? Based on the shape of the frame, I am guessing that, above whatever else is required on the Crestline, the Teewing would require the front motor mount bolt to be removed, and the rear one to be loosened, so that the motor can be pivoted out of the way, since it has less of a belly.

EDIT: Upon further inspection of pics from the left side of the bike, I see that the above idea of pivoting the motor out of the way (even assuming the wiring harnesses had enough length) may not be viable, due to the orientation of the motor mounts. Some other bikes have the motor clocked so that the mounts are in a more flat orientation, but the Teewing and Amflow really have the mounts tilted such that it appears the motor will need to come all the way off.

And I appreciate the other suggestions for the battery bank and charger, and motorhome! The battery bank is very much on my radar, but if a battery swap could be done in under 15min with only the additional 2 bolts I'd mentioned above, I'd probably favor a swap. If not, charging is a good fallback plan.
 
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Why not? How long does it take? Are there lots of fragile connectors or something?
Once practiced a few times it would be less than 30mins to get the battery out, and get a new one in.

There are small screws inside the downtube you have to remove, as well as the display. So the chances of dropping and losing them inside the frame, or on the ground is high.

You need to remove the spider and chainwheel to access the motor bolts. This requires a special tool and a heavy wrench.

You have to take the drive side crank off. It just a massive PITA, with high risk of loosing a critical screw.

I carry a 800Wh Ecoflow in my Electric Vehicle, that can charge off my EV's 12V system. This gives me endless charges. And with Avinox's fast charging system. 1% SOC added per minute. I just take a 30min break and add 30%. Or have an extended lunch and add 50%.

So much easier than swapping batteries.

The few times I have been on a big adventure ride. I just conserve battery. I've completed 100km and 1600metres of climbing by inking out the most from my 800Wh battery. On the flats I even turned the motor completely off. But I rarely do rides where I cannot stop for lunch and recharge.
 
Once practiced a few times it would be less than 30mins to get the battery out, and get a new one in.

There are small screws inside the downtube you have to remove, as well as the display. So the chances of dropping and losing them inside the frame, or on the ground is high.

You need to remove the spider and chainwheel to access the motor bolts. This requires a special tool and a heavy wrench.

You have to take the drive side crank off. It just a massive PITA, with high risk of loosing a critical screw.

I carry a 800Wh Ecoflow in my Electric Vehicle, that can charge off my EV's 12V system. This gives me endless charges. And with Avinox's fast charging system. 1% SOC added per minute. I just take a 30min break and add 30%. Or have an extended lunch and add 50%.

So much easier than swapping batteries.

The few times I have been on a big adventure ride. I just conserve battery. I've completed 100km and 1600metres of climbing by inking out the most from my 800Wh battery. On the flats I even turned the motor completely off. But I rarely do rides where I cannot stop for lunch and recharge.
Thanks for the additional info! Pulling the spider and crank is definitely getting pretty involved, so you are making a pretty persuasive argument for the fast charger. If lapping a trail center over and over, I could definitely see doing several short breaks to keep adding to the charge as you describe.
 
Once practiced a few times it would be less than 30mins to get the battery out, and get a new one in.

There are small screws inside the downtube you have to remove, as well as the display. So the chances of dropping and losing them inside the frame, or on the ground is high.

You need to remove the spider and chainwheel to access the motor bolts. This requires a special tool and a heavy wrench.

You have to take the drive side crank off. It just a massive PITA, with high risk of loosing a critical screw.

I carry a 800Wh Ecoflow in my Electric Vehicle, that can charge off my EV's 12V system. This gives me endless charges. And with Avinox's fast charging system. 1% SOC added per minute. I just take a 30min break and add 30%. Or have an extended lunch and add 50%.

So much easier than swapping batteries.

The few times I have been on a big adventure ride. I just conserve battery. I've completed 100km and 1600metres of climbing by inking out the most from my 800Wh battery. On the flats I even turned the motor completely off. But I rarely do rides where I cannot stop for lunch and recharge.
Unrelated Flux frame question for you...What size did you get, and did you happen to measure the seatpost insertion depth? I'm trying to figure out if I can get a long enough dropper in that frame.
 
Unrelated Flux frame question for you...What size did you get, and did you happen to measure the seatpost insertion depth? I'm trying to figure out if I can get a long enough dropper in that frame.
Medium.

Won't get the bike till mid May. So can't tell you yet. But with the bend in the seatpost, it doesn't look like insertion is brilliant. But I have never had seatpost slammed issues.
 
Once practiced a few times it would be less than 30mins to get the battery out, and get a new one in.

There are small screws inside the downtube you have to remove, as well as the display. So the chances of dropping and losing them inside the frame, or on the ground is high.

You need to remove the spider and chainwheel to access the motor bolts. This requires a special tool and a heavy wrench.

You have to take the drive side crank off. It just a massive PITA, with high risk of loosing a critical screw.

I carry a 800Wh Ecoflow in my Electric Vehicle, that can charge off my EV's 12V system. This gives me endless charges. And with Avinox's fast charging system. 1% SOC added per minute. I just take a 30min break and add 30%. Or have an extended lunch and add 50%.

So much easier than swapping batteries.

The few times I have been on a big adventure ride. I just conserve battery. I've completed 100km and 1600metres of climbing by inking out the most from my 800Wh battery. On the flats I even turned the motor completely off. But I rarely do rides where I cannot stop for lunch and recharge.
OK yeah, that's not something I want to do 3 times in a day. Will have to wait for something that's made to be quickly removed, preferably without voiding the warranty. (Atherton said their battery can be removed in 5 minutes without touching the motor, but it has to be done by a bike shop to keep the Avinox warranty, and they don't recommend it be done trailside - it's more for travel or long term storage over winter.)

A lunchtime topup is fine for trail centres, but not sufficient for self-shuttling bike parks and enduro tracks, at least not when you weigh 110kg.
 
Thanks for the additional info! Pulling the spider and crank is definitely getting pretty involved, so you are making a pretty persuasive argument for the fast charger. If lapping a trail center over and over, I could definitely see doing several short breaks to keep adding to the charge as you describe.
The Amflow PL Carbon Pro was the first EMTB I bought that didn't have a detachable battery, and I thought it might be a problem. But it just hasn't been. So with the Flux being my downhill rig. I really didn't want a detachable battery.

But I can understand if you are using the Flux for long continuous riding, it might be a problem, without a detachable battery. And maybe adding a 170mm Fox 38 and a high end Coil shock to the Amflow PR, might be a better option.

But I am keeping my Amflow. So I really wanted a big travel, high pivot, proper Enduro, that was as light as possible, and still looked more MTB than EMTB. The Flux seems to tick every box I wanted.
 
The Amflow PL Carbon Pro was the first EMTB I bought that didn't have a detachable battery, and I thought it might be a problem. But it just hasn't been. So with the Flux being my downhill rig. I really didn't want a detachable battery.

But I can understand if you are using the Flux for long continuous riding, it might be a problem, without a detachable battery. And maybe adding a 170mm Fox 38 and a high end Coil shock to the Amflow PR, might be a better option.

But I am keeping my Amflow. So I really wanted a big travel, high pivot, proper Enduro, that was as light as possible, and still looked more MTB than EMTB. The Flux seems to tick every box I wanted.
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The Amflow PL Carbon Pro was the first EMTB I bought that didn't have a detachable battery, and I thought it might be a problem. But it just hasn't been. So with the Flux being my downhill rig. I really didn't want a detachable battery.

But I can understand if you are using the Flux for long continuous riding, it might be a problem, without a detachable battery. And maybe adding a 170mm Fox 38 and a high end Coil shock to the Amflow PR, might be a better option.

But I am keeping my Amflow. So I really wanted a big travel, high pivot, proper Enduro, that was as light as possible, and still looked more MTB than EMTB. The Flux seems to tick every box I wanted.
Yeah, I am sure for 90%+ of my riding the integrated battery will be fine. It was more of a wanting to "be prepared" thing in case I go to a place that is more of a self shuttling situation that accumulates a lot of vert very quickly.

The part that threw me off track in the Pinkbike review was the following passage...sounds like the author was getting ahead of himself, speaking speculatively, and making assumptions, and hasn't actually looked into what is required to access the battery: "The power brick mounts inside the downtube and only requires a few motor mounting bolts to be unscrewed before it slides out. It’s not a total hassle to hot swap in the parking lot, or should you require to charge the battery in a location separate from the bike."
 
How accurate is the size recommendations for the Flux?

@Greg Watts can you put a list of peoples Teewing Flux bike sizes and their heights please?
 
How accurate is the size recommendations for the Flux? @Greg Watts can you put a list of peoples Teewing Flux bike sizes and their heights please?
From the thread, I can pull together what people have shared about their sizes:
MemberSizeHeight
@Astro66MediumUnknown
@B RabbitLargeUnknown

That's the full extent of what's been shared in this thread so far, which isn't enormously useful for sizing purposes. Nobody's mentioned their height alongside their size choice.

Do you have your height handy? I can cross-reference Teewing's official size chart and any geometry numbers to give you a more useful steer. Also worth noting that the Medium frame has a verified max dropper insertion of 243mm, which @Astro66 has flagged as something to watch given the bent seatpost design.
 
178cm L

Always gone between M & L. Darren from Drip said he recommended L based on bike feel in hand.
 
Just watching the Josh Gleave Teewing Flux video.

They slowed down one of his landings on a rocky outcrop, and you can literally see the axle move back and up. This must significantly reduce the tendency for the rear to buck on heavy landings.

Doing some research. I'm becoming very pleased with the addition of High Pivot on the Flux. Very much looking forward to hitting some of my really fun technical downhill runs with a bit more gusto ....... 🤭

I was initially concerned with the extra maintenance. But I think it will be worth it.

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I’m sorta in two minds, I love the idea of the high pivot, but I’m curious if going forward they can build a pedal kick back solution into the ebike motor, and combined with a pedal kickback hub might be enough to get rid of the complexity and drag of a idler.
But I think it’s a good solution for now and I’m sick of holding off on an ebike for future tech and this ticks nearly all my boxes :)
 
Yeah l am pleased, to believe alls to gain nothing to loose.

Can delete any thoughts on purchasing new older shimano motors and thinking back on any discontinued frame parts like CS.

All in for this new gig, refreshed to learn give to Flux building to what ever it will be. So its a new ride with differences to make the changes to refine, become acquainted.

Local trails descend geographically twisting in around and over sandstone tech, some open line section quicken things up to decent jumps then back to winding twist.

l am going the MX with shorter CS will work out fine but defiantly the bikes optimises with flipping chips, rider height and 29er positioning to longer CS keeping it MX.

Really all shapes up sweet and to an appealing design.... generates with avinox, not ridden air rear shocks for many years, keen to play with X2.
 
I did a practice wrap of my Amflow seatstay, using some old wrap I had laying around. I didn't want to waste any of the purple wrap I bought for the Teewing. On the Teewing I'm going to have it go to nearly the top of the seatstay. Then I'm going have a Gold Chrome "Flux"decal. But It went really well and I like the look.

So I'm definitely going to create that pattern I posted on the previous page, using vinyl wrap and not spray painting the frame. So basically the downtube wrapped in metallic purple vinyl, with Gold Chrome pinstriping , Then Gold Chrome "TEEWING" decal. And wrapping the fork with a Gold Chrome Fox 38 Decal.

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Gotta say, it’s such a good looking bike.

Anyone getting a ride at Sea Otter? Please report your findings

 
There aren’t many pics of the blue other than the stock pics, does anyone know if the color in this video is supposed to be the Cosmic Blue available from the factory? It looks totally different than the stock pics from Teewing, looks very similar to the Teal Sparkle on the Bullit.. Hopefully it’s something specific for an early build bike.
 
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