Pre-order starts next month - Next Crestline Avinox frame set
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John_likes_bikes
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Cahal described the frame as "compliant" vs stiff, but went on to say that this was beneficial and probably adds to the tracking and grip instead of calling compliance an issue that needs addressing. There is always a compromise of course.
Overall the review is very positive and it sounds balanced nicely for the bike handling, even though they stated it was not even their preferred size and a hodge podge of parts put together.
Overall the review is very positive and it sounds balanced nicely for the bike handling, even though they stated it was not even their preferred size and a hodge podge of parts put together.
Yeah I thought his review was good and fair.
Michaelll
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Brian Cahal taking about the Bosch Crestline being flexy
@Greg Watts
What size of Crestline RS 181 is recommended for an individual with a height of 181cm (5' 11")?
Which options have members of this forum selected?
What size of Crestline RS 181 is recommended for an individual with a height of 181cm (5' 11")?
Which options have members of this forum selected?
At 181cm you're right in the overlap zone between the RH-2 and RH-3, which is actually one of the more interesting sizing decisions in eMTBs right now. Here's what the geometry looks like across the range:
| Size | Reach | Stack | HA | SA | Chainstay | Wheelbase | BB Drop | Head Tube |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RH-2 | 450mm | 639mm | 63.5° | 78.2° | 447mm | 1245mm | 17mm | 110mm |
| RH-3 | 480mm | 650mm | 63.5° | 78.5° | 447mm | 1280mm | 17mm | 120mm |
| RH-4 | 505mm | 662mm | 63.5° | 78.8° | 450mm | 1303mm | 17mm | 130mm |
The conventional wisdom from this thread leans toward sizing down. @John_likes_bikes is around 5'10" and went RH-2, noting that the trade-offs of going smaller are less and easier to adjust for than being on a frame that's too long. @E-NUB is also 5'10" and ordered an RH-2, referencing Troydon's own recommendation that sizing down is advisable on these eMTBs. That said, both of those riders are a touch shorter than you at 181cm.
For the RH-3, there's community data from a rider of similar height who runs it with a 170mm dropper slammed, and has experimented extensively with stem lengths (40-50mm) and fork travel options. He found the front end can feel a bit dive-y off jumps, though a reach reducer is available that also adds 14mm of stack if you want to fine-tune the fit. Meanwhile, @Blownoutrides's mate Rob Rides EMTB at 6'2"+ found the Large (RH-3, 485mm reach on DJI) slightly too small and plans to swap to XL, which suggests the RH-3 has room for taller riders but isn't excessively long.
My take: at 181cm and 85kg, with your enduro background, I'd lean RH-3. The 480mm reach and 1280mm wheelbase will feel planted at speed and give you room for a proper dropper, and you're tall enough that the RH-2's 450mm reach might feel a bit cramped in steep terrain. But if you prefer a more agile, throwable feel and don't mind running a shorter stem to compensate, the RH-2 is genuinely viable. Given you're in Croatia, getting a test ride might be tricky, so your inseam and arm length would help narrow it down further if you've got those measurements handy.
I saw that, but it's not super helpful since I'm in between sizes. I'm curious what other people my height went with.
Generally, with an e-bike, particularly with the 800w battery placing more weight on the front end, people recommend to size down if in between sizes.
I've only ridden a size Large Crestline 1x, the bike felt huge. Like so large it felt larger than my XL Relay.
I've only ridden a size Large Crestline 1x, the bike felt huge. Like so large it felt larger than my XL Relay.
Does anyone have the actual weight of the RH2 frame, maybe from the Spectre without the battery?
Trying to figure out how much this is going to weigh overall with the build planned.
Funny, counting grams on an e-bike, never thought I'd see the day.. thanks Troydon!
Trying to figure out how much this is going to weigh overall with the build planned.
Funny, counting grams on an e-bike, never thought I'd see the day.. thanks Troydon!
Eh, depending on build 48-51#s. The Crestie's are lighter than most.
John_likes_bikes
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My RH2 800w weighs a smidge over 51lbs with air shock/fork, AXS XX/Reverb, WAO Arrival, Schwalbe Radials. I do have OneUp composite pedals to save weight
For a DH-rated frame, I couldn't imagine it being much lighter and it carries its weight low so it's not difficult to maneuver.Thanks for your feedback guys, I have seen quite a few complete build weights anywhere from 48 to mid 50+ pounds depending on components of course.
I listed out the weight for all the components I have to build her up, including weights for the 600wh battery and the Avinox drive unit as listed on the Crestline site and I am getting a total of just 36 pounds.
This does not include the frame weight since I cannot find this info, but how much can it really weigh, 8+ pounds maybe?
I must be doing some math wrong here, either that or my Crestline is going to be significantly lighter than everything else I have seen. Even if the frame is 10 pounds my total weight is still coming in at 46 lbs?!
Oh yeah, either way this will ride quite nice compared to my current 55 lb monster!
I listed out the weight for all the components I have to build her up, including weights for the 600wh battery and the Avinox drive unit as listed on the Crestline site and I am getting a total of just 36 pounds.
This does not include the frame weight since I cannot find this info, but how much can it really weigh, 8+ pounds maybe?
I must be doing some math wrong here, either that or my Crestline is going to be significantly lighter than everything else I have seen. Even if the frame is 10 pounds my total weight is still coming in at 46 lbs?!
Oh yeah, either way this will ride quite nice compared to my current 55 lb monster!
If you're riding the bike as intended a few lbs/kg mean literally nothing. Look at the weight of those pro enduro rigs. Get stronger.
I'm with you to a degree and stated myself this seems funny talking weight on e-bikes.
In this case though I am going from 55lbs to 48lbs or less, so I would call this HUGE vs "meaning literally nothing". Depends how you like to ride of course but I think even a beginner would tell a difference.
Agree nice to have 21-22kg bike with thst much power!
Are we still looking at early April shipping!?
Idea new on when the new Avinox will be announced?
ETA for shipping is still to start in April, first come first served basis.
I havent heard official Avinox release info, but seems Troydons description made it clear this will have the updated Avinox system or at least revisions based on it being "quieter and more powerful" than the prior version.
I havent heard official Avinox release info, but seems Troydons description made it clear this will have the updated Avinox system or at least revisions based on it being "quieter and more powerful" than the prior version.
Noticeable for sure, worth thousands of dollars for bougie parts with reduced durability , naw. Don't me wrong wrong I'm guilty of putting expensive carbon bits, and full XTR on an alloy frame trail bike. My eeb tends to get ridden way harder though so I have to prioritize durability or stuff will just get destroyed. I never got a weight on my current eeb but I would assume it's at least 55lb.(too heavy for my park scale) I never walked away from a ride thinking about it though, rather than having a shit eating grin and massive ego boost because of the riding that happened.
Seems like everyone is holding out for Sea Otter, so early APR or shortly before and a bunch of stuff will drop.
My predictions:
-Avinox M.2
-New Fox (duh)
-New Saint groupset? (this is more of a hope because I haven't bought brakes yet)
-New Maxxis tires
-More Radial Schwalbes
John_likes_bikes
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On the 181.1 run Troydon installed Avinox components as they came in in waves into already received frames. It was truly first come, first served. I think there was a gap of about 4-6 weeks from start to finish for fullfilment. I'm TOTALLY guessing for your benefit, but I hope he already has everything, has built the frames and is just waiting on Avinox to make the announcement before he starts shipping all at once, for the most part. Your heard it here first.. this site LOVES unsubstantiated rumors. lolz
Great points, although I did not say I was going to spend a bunch of money on fragile parts and sacrifice reliablity at anytime..Noticeable for sure, worth thousands of dollars for bougie parts with reduced durability , naw. Don't me wrong wrong I'm guilty of putting expensive carbon bits, and full XTR on an alloy frame trail bike. My eeb tends to get ridden way harder though so I have to prioritize durability or stuff will just get destroyed. I never got a weight on my current eeb but I would assume it's at least 55lb.(too heavy for my park scale) I never walked away from a ride thinking about it though, rather than having a shit eating grin and massive ego boost because of the riding that happened.
I just wanted to know an actual weight of the darn frame I bought is all!
Please feel free to not weigh your stuff and buy any parts you prefer, thank you for your inputs.
John_likes_bikes
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-Avinox M.2 yeah, this deserves a duh too and a boat load of other Avinox bikes
-New Fox (duh) double duh
-New Saint groupset? (this is more of a hope because I haven't bought brakes yet) we'll be too old to ride a bike when this happens
-New Maxxis tires agreed
-More Radial Schwalbes all but confirmed for later this year
- New Zeb and probably some other SRAM bits
Side note for Sea Otter... I find it funny Avinox bikes are not allowed in the emtb race
The eMTB Race - Life Time Sea Otter Classic
The Bulls eMTB Race presented by Bosch is built to challenge modern eBikes and their riders. Steep climbs and technical descents make the course as difficult as normal bike racing, only different. An exciting spectator sport, racers will complete one hour of racing on 2-mile circuits within the...
www.seaotterclassic.com
Fanatik has a claimed weight for the 181 published on their site with the build specs. If you're real bored you could probably put it all in a spreadsheet to get a pretty good idea as to where it lands.
Crestline RS181
www.fanatikbike.com
Thanks again @PhoS , I have the spreadsheet with all parts and weights listed by vendor specs. It is doing the math too for me, since I dont like that stuff!
Crestline gave the Avinox system and battery weights also very handily (why not?!), and this data is in the spreadsheet. It is currently showing a total weight of 36 lbs with all parts minus the frame. I was surprised at this total, and there could be an error of course or something I missed.
However they do not list frame weights (that I could find?) so this is the only info missing and why I asked if anyone had this to share to help confirm and complete my data.
Crestline gave the Avinox system and battery weights also very handily (why not?!), and this data is in the spreadsheet. It is currently showing a total weight of 36 lbs with all parts minus the frame. I was surprised at this total, and there could be an error of course or something I missed.
However they do not list frame weights (that I could find?) so this is the only info missing and why I asked if anyone had this to share to help confirm and complete my data.
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Trying the fanatik route too here:
Their build total weight = 48.7 lbs
Components listed = 27.51 lbs (totaled parts listed from vendor specs)
(Math would say the RH2) Frame, motor, and battery = 21.19 lbs
However I could not see the battery size listed on the fanatik page for the build?
This puts my Cresty at 45.19 lbs if all is accurate!!
This is why I asked for actual frame weight, sounds too low to be true...
Their build total weight = 48.7 lbs
Components listed = 27.51 lbs (totaled parts listed from vendor specs)
(Math would say the RH2) Frame, motor, and battery = 21.19 lbs
However I could not see the battery size listed on the fanatik page for the build?
This puts my Cresty at 45.19 lbs if all is accurate!!
This is why I asked for actual frame weight, sounds too low to be true...
What build is that? Any build that a cresty is worthy of isn’t going to be 45 lbs lol.
Just for reference, my amflow with WAO carbon wheelset, xo cassette, 170 zeb, ext storia v4, carbon one up bars, DD rear and exo+ front tires is 49.2lbs.
Bro, do you have any idea how exhausting it is to walk my 55# full Enduro rig around literally every trail obstacle?
Have a little empathy!
