Article Video: Teewing Flux 180mm, high-pivot, Avinox EMTB first look and ride

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irie said:
Fashion before Function - whatever floats your boat Astro :LOL:
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If we ever get to ride together, I will sleigh you both up and downhill with my fashion forward, CCP built and powered, divine creation ...... The gold-plated gauntlet has been tossed ........ 🤭
 
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Astro66 said:
If we ever get to ride together, I will sleigh you both up and downhill with my fashion forward, CCP built and powered, divine creation ...... The gold-plated gauntlet has been tossed ........ 🤭
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A gold plated tossing gauntlet!

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B Rabbit said:
I reckon they could of got a straight seat tube in their design but i'm guessing that kinked seat tube is in their design language, for better or for worse.
And re the i-track question, this is a quote from @iamandisykes post 'The first thing that grabs your attention is the patented i-Track high-pivot idler suspension layout. High-pivot bikes aren’t new, but Teewing’s execution definitely stands out."
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Hi, so at the time of writing the first look and my video there were discussions between Teewing and iTrack about the design and I was informed at that time an iTrack patent would be applied to the bike (although I did find it odd as the idler isn't moving and is inline with the main pivot). Turns out the iTrack patent won't be applied to this bike due to the idler location. Hope that clears this up
 
Francis1 said:
then you try the Kado on the trails and you discover that this fat chick is one of the best dancer you can find….
I tried it 2 weeks ago and i was totally impressed how easy and balanced is this bike….it’s aesthetically horrible, no way….but i think I have never tried an ebike so comfortable and easy to ride…
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I've never ridden one but I am good friends with someone who was involved in the dev of the Kado. Whyte apparently spend of a lot of time and effort on getting the centre of gravity correct to improve the balance of their bikes. I believe they even have a custom testing rig for this too, which might explain why it rides so well.
 
Ribinrobin said:
teewing turbo flux has got to be the most chinese ebike name ever. imagine in 2019 you was out with your mates and like "yeah i just bought the new teewing turbo flux 1"
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It's Teewing Turbo Force (the trail bike) the enduro bike is just called Teewing Flux (although they have an A and Pro variant to denote the different specs). I do agree though that Teewing Turbo Force is not a great name though the bike is really impressive 👍
 
iamandisykes said:
It's Teewing Turbo Force (the trail bike) the enduro bike is just called Teewing Flux (although they have an A and Pro variant to denote the different specs). I do agree though that Teewing Turbo Force is not a great name though the bike is really impressive 👍
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The big question. Can you slam a Oneup 210 post in a medium Flux. I ride a Orbea Wild and really love the bike. My only wish is that it had a Avinox motor mostly for the fast charger and multi pickup speed sensor.
 
Lantz said:
The big question. Can you slam a Oneup 210 post in a medium Flux. I ride a Orbea Wild and really love the bike. My only wish is that it had a Avinox motor mostly for the fast charger and multi pickup speed sensor.
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Edit: Sorry you said Flux not Turbo Force. I'll leave the info below incase it helps. Heading to the shed to measure the medium Flux frame I have ;)

I've just removed my KS Rage Circuit dropper from my medium sized Turbo Force. The max insertion on that is 250mm before it hits the kink in the seat tube (about 10mm of dropper is showing still). This is a wireless dropper though (180mm drop) so it doesn't have the mechanism of a mechanical dropper to get in the way. It looks like the 210 One Up has an insertion length of 300mm so you would have quite a lot of dropper showing (like 60mm). Hope that helps!
 
iamandisykes said:
Edit: Sorry you said Flux not Turbo Force. I'll leave the info below incase it helps. Heading to the shed to measure the medium Flux frame I have ;)

I've just removed my KS Rage Circuit dropper from my medium sized Turbo Force. The max insertion on that is 250mm before it hits the kink in the seat tube (about 10mm of dropper is showing still). This is a wireless dropper though (180mm drop) so it doesn't have the mechanism of a mechanical dropper to get in the way. It looks like the 210 One Up has an insertion length of 300mm so you would have quite a lot of dropper showing (like 60mm). Hope that helps!
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How long is the seat tube on the Flux?
 
Medium Teewing Flux max insertion (using the same dropper as above) is 243mm so less than the Turbo Force, but the seat tube is also around 5mm shorter than the Turbo Force.
 
Andy, do you know the diameter of the seat post on the Flux? And to follow up, did you ever get the new idler in the Mail?
 
Is it really a Cat 5 rated frame? I thought it was a Cat 4 ?
 
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Hoverp said:
Andy, do you know the diameter of the seat post on the Flux? And to follow up, did you ever get the new idler in the Mail?
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Hi sorry, it has been a super busy start to the year. Nope, I didn't receive it yet. The Flux has been out with some photographers and videographers so I've not been able to use it much myself. Hope I'll get it back soon.
 
With 600 Wh battery maybe…..
In these days we’ve seen online Velduro with an extender….
If DJI comes out with 600 Wh and 250 Wh extender, this Flux is going to be a dream bike….

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Even with a 600WH battery I don't think you are going to get the flux down to 20kg? I would be pushing to get my Turbo Force down to 20kg.

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mtnrider said:
Even with a 600WH battery I don't think you are going to get the flux down to 20kg? I would be pushing to get my Turbo Force down to 20kg.

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I agree. The only time your get a full power mid pivot 180mm ebike with a 600wh battery to 20kg is if it was built light with trail parts for a light rider. At that point you have compromised performance for weight. I'm all in for light weight until is compromised performance. Whats the point having a 180mm bike that cant do 180mm features because the tires are too thin and the wheels are too weak?
 
Plummet said:
I agree. The only time your get a full power mid pivot 180mm ebike with a 600wh battery to 20kg is if it was built light with trail parts for a light rider. At that point you have compromised performance for weight. I'm all in for light weight until is compromised performance. Whats the point having a 180mm bike that cant do 180mm features because the tires are too thin and the wheels are too weak?
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Agreed but it could well be a lighter frame than the Velduro which I think is 3.5kg, maybe a 2.8-3kg frame?
 
Hey everyone, Hugh McLeay here from i-track suspension.

It seems there is some confusion here whether or not the Teewing Flux uses i-track suspension, so I thought I should clear things up directly.

Late last year, Teewing was under the impression that they required a license agreement for their Flux design, and did the right thing in reaching out to secure it, and obtain graphics for the bike. This was before I had seen the design. Within about a week, I saw lots of leaked photos/videos of the Flux, and started to wonder whether the idler was concentric, rather than offset like other i-track designs. I reached out to Teewing about the specific position of the idler pulley, and they confirmed that it was concentric with the main pivot. Therefore, they didn't need a license agreement after all. Unforturnately in that short space of time, Teewing had released quite a bit of material regarding 'i-track' being used in their design, which they've tried to quickly undo afterwards.

On the Teewing Flux, the idler is concentric with the main pivot. This means that the idler pulley is effectively 'static' and does not move with the suspension (it's the same as if the idler was mounted to anywhere static on the front triangle, like many other high-pivot designs).
Both the Norco and Velduro designs have the idler pulley offset from the main pivot. This means the idler pulley moves with the chainstay as the suspension moves, which generates some additional anti-squat. The designers choose the idler position carefully to achieve the anti-squat characteristics that they're after. On the Teewing Flux, the anti-squat will be considerably lower which may impact the ride characteristics.

Hope that helps to clear things up.
Cheers,
Hugh.
 
franciscoasismm said:
Key Technical Difference In i-Track (as in Norco or Velduro), the tension pulley is offset from the main pivot, so it rotates and adjusts the chain during suspension compression. This creates a mechanical effect that counteracts squat (rear compression due to acceleration/pedaling), optimizing the efficiency of the Avinox motor (up to 120 Nm of torque). In the Teewing Flux, the pulley is concentric with the pivot: it remains static relative to the front triangle, similar to basic high-pivot designs. Mathematically, anti-squat is reduced because there is no relative movement of the pulley; The force curve is calculated as follows: "See attached image" Electromechanical Implications: Less anti-squat: The Flux will experience more squat under the Avinox's torque, potentially affecting traction on technical climbs and energy efficiency (greater demand on the BMS and integrated 800 Wh battery). Riding feel: More "floaty" downhill (up to 178 mm travel), but less planted while pedaling; ideal for pure enduro, not XC. Design advantages: Simplifies manufacturing (no patents), reduces chain/motor wear and costs, but sacrifices kinematic tuning.

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Now that the great iTrack mystery has been put to rest (it looks so much like the VLT, but really is faux), we can put the responsibility back on Teewing to give us kinematic graphs, please. And while this AI slop post is partially correct, it makes assumptions about where Anti-Squat is at the sag point and forgets that AS is largely advanced by main pivot height. iTrack gives and extra degree of freedom to tune AS, which becomes more of an issue as HP location drift downward to and past the midpoint. In general, as motors get more powerful, how the bike behaves under power will be more driven on getting that AS tuned just right.
 
franciscoasismm said:
I think that:

For Efficiency + Flow Composure Forbidden Druid CorE by: Its Trifecta V3 suspension is firm and efficient when pedaling, with minimal bob and great speed generation on flow trails and long, technical climbs. It's the ideal all-rounder for epic 50+ km rides with flow and root sections.

For Bike Park / Very Demanding Trails. Velduro Rogue by: i-Track Total Anti-Kickback Technology The patented i-Track eliminates 100% of kickback, offering ultra-smooth descents on rocky terrain, drops, and bike parks. It absorbs heavy impacts without losing traction, perfect for nonstop sessions of extreme roughness.

For Aggressive Geometry/Enduro and Super Enduro. Teewing Flux One by: Ultra-slack geometry (slack angles), 170mm+ of travel, and an aggressive high pivot make it a beast on timed stages with brutal climbs and wild descents. It prioritizes downhill performance over efficiency, like a "modern super enduro."
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@Rob Rides EMTB What's the deal with this @franciscoasismm "user"? Is this an additional bot that you added, like "Greg Watts", or something else?
 
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