Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

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Durrti said:
Built this thing with old parts that have come off many bikes, most recently a Crestline S180.
I’ve only had one real ride on it so far, and a “atmospheric river” is going to keep me from riding for a bit 👎
But my early takeaways;
-Build quality is great, lots of attention to detail. All bearings were well greased. Torque numbers on all hardware is always appreciated.
-Building this was quite easy and straightforward. Running brake cable in the down tube was the hardest part, and it was quite easy compared to many others I’ve built.
-The packaging was incredible with no plastic to be seen anywhere. All parts were clearly labeled. Even the frame was wrapped in a cloth bag.

Riding it!
-my current setup is Zeb at 180mm, ‘26 Fox X2 (205x65), Radic brakes, WAO wheels Mx setup, sram GX transmission, AXS 170mm dropper.
-this thing is fast and fun up hill, thanks to the Avinox motor.
-the idler pulley makes a little bit of a “growl” when under a heavy load. Not a bad noise, just a new one for me. But shifting has been flawless.
-Downhill this thing is in a league of its own! The mid high pivot seems to turn chatter and small bumps into speed. It feels like your “pumping”’ speed on the way down. I thought my Crestline was the best rear suspension ever, until I rode this. This bike is supple, nimble, poppy and fast. I don’t have much if any motor noise on the way down. The rear suspension is so good, it’s got me looking at new fork options to match.

Gripes
-the limited number of shocks that fit this frame is my only current gripe. I have an EXT Arma and a Vivid Air I was planning on using, and neither will fit. Having to buy a new shock to fit this frame was disappointing. On the bright side the new X2 seems to perform as well as the either of my other shocks, hopefully it will be a reliable shock.

More to follow when the sun shines again 🤙
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What is your height, rider weight and what bike frame size did you go with and any other pertinent details to help people with sizing. Thanks
 
ffs, is using simple math way to hard on this forum? we know how long dropper posts are, we know the insertion depth of the frame and we know our preferred saddle height. is that sooo hard to calculate on your own!?
 
oneup has the shortest 240mm seatpost available today, at 610mm length. the velduro frame in size large has an insertion depth of 300mm. effective seattube length is 430mm.

430-300+610+what ever your saddle height is = 740mm seatpost height + whatever your saddle height is - diameter of your rails = 760-780mm minimum saddle height. NOT. THAT. HARD.
 
and to finish my rant: never ask other people's height when you want to determine if a bike is right. why? it's the least accurate measurement because their torso, legs and arms are never the same length than yours, there are always extremes and outliers:

 
sethimus said:
ffs, is using simple math way to hard on this forum? we know how long dropper posts are, we know the insertion depth of the frame and we know our preferred saddle height. is that sooo hard to calculate on your own!?
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lol ffs eat a bag of dicks. Go work out your dropper length by yourself then go for a ride by yourself. I feel like you would be an expert at doing things by yourself.

I get your frustration mate. I’m currently renovating a house at 10pm totally cooked from fixing the previous owners fuck ups and logged in to have a break to read about my future bike and asked a question without thinking. Yes I could do it myself but chose to get lost in MTB world with fellow riders excited about their new bike.

Back to work I go.
 
sethimus said:
ffs, is using simple math way to hard on this forum? we know how long dropper posts are, we know the insertion depth of the frame and we know our preferred saddle height. is that sooo hard to calculate on your own!?
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I’d rather read about people’s preferred sizing for their height than this 3 post angry rant lol. Relax man, it’s an Internet forum for discussion…
 
Instead of ranting, why don't we share our upcoming build specs instead seen as we are all buying the same frames?

Il start, even if I'm the only one to post it

Rogue size large frame (I'm 5'11" and usually ride large or xl as I prefer a big bike)
Protection - Invisiframe matte kit
Fork - Ohlins rxf38m2 with yellow racing edition lowers
Shock - Ohlins ttx22m2 coil with cc progressive spring
Drivetrain - Xo t-type axs with 34t hope chainring
Cranks - Hope 155mm
Pedals - Burgtec b-rage
Wheels - Sixth element mullet rims laced to i9 hydra 2 hubs
Tyres - Schwalbe radial (shredda winter, magic mary summer)
Brakes - Radic kaha v2
Rotors - Magura 2.5mm thick 203mm diameter
Bars - Tag t1 carbon 40mm rise
Grips - Revgrips pro
Stem - Burgtec enduro 35mm
Dropper - Sram axs
Saddle - Ergon sm-e mountain core

I think that's everything
Looking forward to a late night in the garage building in April 😍
 
Brawwp said:
I’d rather read about people’s preferred sizing for their height than this 3 post angry rant lol. Relax man, it’s an Internet forum for discussion…
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the people i measure up for bike sizing usually differ up to +-4cm in inseam length to the average at their height. that’s a difference in up to 8cm in saddle height.

—> height is useless af to determine if a certain dropper post will fit for yourself in the same frame
 
Rogue size med frame (I'm 5'10") and still not entirely sure coming off specialized s4 sizing.
Protection - strategically placed helitape
Fork - fox40 @190mm (may buy a single crown)
Shock - ext e-storia (only part i need to buy)
Drivetrain - Shimano 10 speed linkglide
Cranks - whatever it comes with
Pedals - crank bros stamp7
Wheels - santa cruz reserve mullet
Tyres - conti krypto
Brakes - m820 saints
Rotors - Magura 220 floating
Bars - spank vibrocore 50mm rise
Grips - Revgrips
Stem - spank dm 40mm
Dropper - oneup 210mm
Saddle - Ergon sm enduro

Plus the 12A fast charger.
 
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cozzy said:
Rogue size med frame (I'm 5'10") and still not entirely sure coming off specialized s4 sizing.
Protection - strategically placed helitape
Fork - fox40 @190mm (may buy a single crown)
Shock - ext e-storia (only part i need to buy)
Drivetrain - Shimano 10 speed linkglide
Cranks - whatever it comes with
Pedals - crank bros stamp7
Wheels - santa cruz reserve mullet
Tyres - conti krypto
Brakes - m820 saints
Rotors - Magura 220 floating
Bars - spank vibrocore 50mm rise
Grips - Revgrips
Stem - spank dm 40mm
Dropper - oneup 210mm
Saddle - Ergon sm enduro
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I'm in the same boat on sizing between medium or large, I pre ordered large as I'd rather too big than too small.... Im really hoping we can demo something before our frames arrive, spoke to Tim and he said if I decide to change my order it's not a problem. My sweet spot seems to be around the 480 reach mark but I did have a large cube a few years ago with a 460 reach and really enjoyed how playful it was however it wasn't confident inspiring at speed... The thing would manual for days without effort. I do miss the playful nature of the cube but once I ordered a large wild I was sold instantly. Not as playful but so much better at speed and ploughing
 
Muff1tt said:
I'm in the same boat on sizing between medium or large, I pre ordered large as I'd rather too big than too small.... Im really hoping we can demo something before our frames arrive, spoke to Tim and he said if I decide to change my order it's not a problem. My sweet spot seems to be around the 480 reach mark but I did have a large cube a few years ago with a 460 reach and really enjoyed how playful it was however it wasn't confident inspiring at speed... The thing would manual for days without effort. I do miss the playful nature of the cube but once I ordered a large wild I was sold instantly. Not as playful but so much better at speed and ploughing
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Its the enormous wheelbase im wary of the large. 450mm chainstay (supposedly) +15mm at sag. +8mm additional offset if i use my fox40 will add another 33mm to the already long 1300mm.
Im prepared to give their sizing recommendations a try, but yes would very much like to try both.
Using the Atherton sizing calculator brings me much nearer to the med though.

Edit its actually about 10mm at sag.
 
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cozzy said:
Its the enormous wheelbase im wary of the large. 450mm chainstay (supposedly) +15mm at sag. +8mm additional offset if i use my fox40 will add another 33mm to the already long 1300mm.
Im prepared to give their sizing recommendations a try, but yes would very much like to try both.
Using the Atherton sizing calculator brings me much nearer to the med though.
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I've not looked at the Atherton sizing, maybe I should. But yes the wheelbase is massive. Do you know if it's based on 29 or mullet setup?
 
Muff1tt said:
I've not looked at the Atherton sizing, maybe I should. But yes the wheelbase is massive. Do you know if it's based on 29 or mullet setup?
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Not sure it changes. I don't think there is a flip chip in the chainstay?
Pick their 170mm bike and put your details in. Comes up with 470mm reach for me. The med rogue is 466mm.
 
sethimus said:
are you for real? the wheelbase is the distance between the axles. maybe try to rethink that again, and then you realize it...
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Dude, instead of putting everyone down, why don't you offer helpful advice or just keep doom scrolling. No1 likes a bellend to point out stupid questions, I for one don't claim to know everything but I certainly don't take your dick head approach

Mullet brings the rear wheel closer to the centre of the bike with some frames to make it snappier in handling in the flip chips so correct me if I'm wrong but it's an honest question
 
cozzy said:
Not sure it changes. I don't think there is a flip chip in the chainstay?
Pick their 170mm bike and put your details in. Comes up with 470mm reach for me. The med rogue is 466mm.
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Thank you for a decent reply. Il check and see where I end up
 
sethimus said:
are you for real? the wheelbase is the distance between the axles. maybe try to rethink that again, and then you realize
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sethimus said:
I'd imagine mtb is 100% a solo sport for you. If any of our mates acted like you you'd be cut from the chat group. People are coming here to share information and stoke, why jump on here and start ranting about people with questions?
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Durrti said:
Built this thing with old parts that have come off many bikes, most recently a Crestline S180.
I’ve only had one real ride on it so far, and a “atmospheric river” is going to keep me from riding for a bit 👎
But my early takeaways;
-Build quality is great, lots of attention to detail. All bearings were well greased. Torque numbers on all hardware is always appreciated.
-Building this was quite easy and straightforward. Running brake cable in the down tube was the hardest part, and it was quite easy compared to many others I’ve built.
-The packaging was incredible with no plastic to be seen anywhere. All parts were clearly labeled. Even the frame was wrapped in a cloth bag.

Riding it!
-my current setup is Zeb at 180mm, ‘26 Fox X2 (205x65), Radic brakes, WAO wheels Mx setup, sram GX transmission, AXS 170mm dropper.
-this thing is fast and fun up hill, thanks to the Avinox motor.
-the idler pulley makes a little bit of a “growl” when under a heavy load. Not a bad noise, just a new one for me. But shifting has been flawless.
-Downhill this thing is in a league of its own! The mid high pivot seems to turn chatter and small bumps into speed. It feels like your “pumping”’ speed on the way down. I thought my Crestline was the best rear suspension ever, until I rode this. This bike is supple, nimble, poppy and fast. I don’t have much if any motor noise on the way down. The rear suspension is so good, it’s got me looking at new fork options to match.

Gripes
-the limited number of shocks that fit this frame is my only current gripe. I have an EXT Arma and a Vivid Air I was planning on using, and neither will fit. Having to buy a new shock to fit this frame was disappointing. On the bright side the new X2 seems to perform as well as the either of my other shocks, hopefully it will be a reliable shock.

More to follow when the sun shines again 🤙
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To follow up I’m about 170cm. However I’m not the best reference for sizing as I’m all over the place with my previous bikes.
Medium Decoy
S2 Levo
K1 Pole
Small Wild
RH-2 Crestline
Always on the smaller side.
This medium feels identical to my RH-2 Crestline. Put bars and stem on straight from the Crestline and they don’t need any adjustment.
Feel free to ask any questions 🤙
 
Muff1tt said:
Dude, instead of putting everyone down, why don't you offer helpful advice or just keep doom scrolling. No1 likes a bellend to point out stupid questions, I for one don't claim to know everything but I certainly don't take your dick head approach

Mullet brings the rear wheel closer to the centre of the bike with some frames to make it snappier in handling in the flip chips so correct me if I'm wrong but it's an honest question
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Mullet bikes can be snappier because of the smaller, lighter rear wheel. Less precession aids in changes of direction. The wheelbase itself doesn't change at all (on a bike if you just change the wheel) as the axle is in the same position. A bike that is 29/27.5 compatible like the Rogue has a flip chip for the different wheel sizes and the change in wheelbase is negligible.
 
ebikerider said:
Mullet bikes can be snappier because of the smaller, lighter rear wheel. Less precession aids in changes of direction. The wheelbase itself doesn't change at all (on a bike if you just change the wheel) as the axle is in the same position. A bike that is 29/27.5 compatible like the Rogue has a flip chip for the different wheel sizes and the change in wheelbase is negligible.
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Thank you kindly... So we are talking a few mm difference in wheelbase but a difference nonetheless. Like you say it's negligible. I appreciate the time you took to explain a little better.
Happy shredding 🤙🤙
 
I have heard there is an issue with fitment of many shocks due to the placement of the charger port can anyone shed light on this?
 
Suns_PSD said:
When will these truly be available in the USA?

Thanks.
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I'm putting less hope on the most recent TACO trade proposals. If SCOTUS comes through and invalidates the reciprocal Cheeto tariffs, that may get us to that tipping point where US business distribution model starts to make sense.
 
My build (parts I own or have bought so far):
XL Rogue frame (will use stock chainring and cranks to begin with)
Maven Silver brakes
Oneup 210 dropper
Sram GX T type gearset
Pro MSN saddle
DVO Onyx D1 SL 180mm fork (green)
DVO Jade X Prime shock 205x65 - LS 550 spring
Stans S2 Flow wheelset
Time Atac MX 6 pedals
Spank Spike 60mm riser bars
Deity lockjaw grips (green)
Maxxis Assegai maxxgrip exo+ front
Maxxis DHR 2 maxxterra dd rear

No stem yet.....
Invisiframe when available

198cm with 91cm inseam, 102kg

Not a super high end, dream spec, but should still be an awesome ride - and just a little bit different - roll on early December....
 
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Decided to pull the trigger and deposit paid on Pre-Order of frame with shock. (Refundable if you knuckleheads tell me this bike is crap) :ROFLMAO:

Rogue size med frame (I'm 5'9")
Protection - Ride Wrap Full Wrap (If available)
Fork - Rockshox Zeb Ultimate Charger 3.1 RC2 29 Boost 180mm Electric Red with Bright Gold Decals.
Shock - Standard from Velduro (Fox float X2) I want the custom tune from Velduro.
Drivetrain - GX T-Type EAGLE TRANSMISSION RD-GX-E-B1
Cassette - GX T-Type CS-XS-1275-A1
Cranks - Amflow 155mm
Pedals - Shimano SPD
Rims - Front : RaceFace ARC Carbon 31 X 29 - Rear : Alloy RaceFace ARC 30 X 27.5
Rim Decals - RaceFace ARC in Bright Gold
Hubs - Koozer M490 Pro in Oil Spill
Spokes - Black SS J-type, with Red Nipples.
Tyres - Maxxis Tanwall : Assegai 2.5 Front : DHR2 2.4 Rear
Brakes - Shimano XT M8120
Rotors - Gold SRAM Centreline 200mm
Bars - Renthal Fatbar Lite in black.
Grips - Ergon GFR1 in Oil Slick
Stem - Burgtec Enduro Mk3 35mm in Bullion Gold
Dropper - Fox Transfer Factory 180mm
Saddle - Ergon SM PRO

Standard Charger as I have the 12A with the Amflow.

As I'm setting this up as a hard charging downhill, graphics will be more subdued, so colours limited to Black, Gold and Red, to go with the frame and Zeb.
 
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