Dji avinox- Amflow - Discussion

[Nomadic Dad]

Hi.
Re your comparison to an SL bike,my emtb is an Orange Phase Evo le and yesterday I finally got a demo on an Amflow (base model) for an hour.
Weight wise it felt similar to mine ie around 21kg but there the similarities ended.
It definitely rides as a trail bike rather than my slacker angled steed-the front wheel doesn’t flop at slow speeds or intuitively tip into corners like mine therefore the Amflow didn’t need as much body language in that respect.It felt similar to my own bike in most other areas-poppy,nimble,supple and rattle free.
Turbo mode is so addictive that I hardly used other modes but for all the much hyped high torque and power you’ll still frustratingly hit that wall at cut off speeds albeit much sooner.
If you’re really craving the latest “benchmark emtb” and are looking for a similar riding bike to whatever SL bike you might have but with a much bigger shove then yes,get one.
However for me personally I honestly can’t justify losing thousands on selling what I’ve got just to accelerate a bit faster everywhere.I’ll still get dropped by more fitter,capable riders on non emtbs when the trail opens up.

Yes very similar to how I felt on my recent test ride but in XL mine was 22.4kg with trail tyres so didn't feel that nimble to me and the limiter much harsher and draggy than my Specialized If others reading this have not rode one yourself yet I'd suggest you do but if you can't then I just put my honest initial thoughts 2 hour test ride in this video

 

[GodsTherapist]

Who made this thumbnail?!

 

[Nomadic Dad]

Who made this thumbnail?!

Me?

 

[elbielasmtb]

Hola a todos, los que habéis tenido o probado un turbo levo con motor de correa Brose y tenéis o habéis probado el Amflow ¿cómo compararíais el ruido de los motores?



Gracias

 

[Astro66]

Clocked up 200km on the Amflow PL Carbon Pro today.

I went for a ride with my mates today, and I guess I'd kind of got used to how much faster I ride with the Amflow. It doesn't feel that different anymore. But having to wait 5 mins for my mates to catch me at each of the checkpoints, when I only waited about 30 seconds when riding the Merida E160, made me realise I've just adapted to the extra pace. It really is quite incredible.

The bike and motor has performed flawlessly. I did need to micro tune the XO Derailleur after fitting the 27.5 rear wheel that I built myself. Only 2 increments. From 7 to 5. I also have had to re-tension the spokes. But I'm loving the extra grip of the 2.6 DHR2.

I haven't scratched the bike yet, though I do have the invisiframe on it.

I have been trying to dial in the suspension. Trying to make it as plush as possible at the top end, then firmer at the bottom end. I'm fairly happy with the current tune, but I am going through most of the travel every ride.

The motor has been super quiet both up and downhill compared to my EP801 on the Merida.

I did change the gear shifter from the buttons to the rocker. It's so much better. And the Magura MT7s are just superb, enabling me to fully convert to single finger braking with supreme confidence.

So far. Extremely happy.

This is a photo from today after cleaning the bike after a ride. It still looks as good as new.

 

[mooby77]

interesting review , like the bomber coil , nice

 

[Nomadic Dad]

Hola a todos, los que habéis tenido o probado un turbo levo con motor de correa Brose y tenéis o habéis probado el Amflow ¿cómo compararíais el ruido de los motores?



Gracias

See my video above as my normal bike is a 2020 Kenevo which has the same motor as the Levo. In short, the Amflow I tested was higher pitched and slightly noiser than my recently refurbished Brose motor to my ears.

 

[Bikedriver19]

Hello! I'm considering an Amflow Carbon PL, curious if some owners can shed light on below:
- Has anyone gone from an SL bike like Fuel exe/Levo SL to PL? How is the weight/handling in comparison?
- Is there any word on 800wh -> 600wh conversion?
- Last question, has anyone tried grey import to a not supported country? Sweden is currently not in the support network, but will be this year according to some

Hey Bud,

Like us in the USA, for now, you are on your own if something goes wrong. I can say Amflow support, is excellent, when I have needed them. But thee only problems I've had so far, were super simple fixes unrelated to the DJI system itself.

I work and in Europe occasionally so my plan (if I need parts) would be to buy them in Germany, I assume you could do the same.

The bike rocks. The more I ride it, the less I want to ride anything else. And when you get one, then get on anything else....its nowhere near, as much FUN!

The weight is very noticeable, compared to anything else - lighter, feels wonderful.

I suspect it might be another year for them to expand geographically, and with other bikes brands, and in general, so its a risk for those that live in places they don't support yet.

I have beat the hell out of mine, I always ride on turbo...and it's still rock solid, so far.

The should have called it "DreAMFlow" Love this bike.

Cheers.

 

[techm8n]

Finally I bought AXS power adapter with cord for 16 EUR and connector for 11 EUR, connected them together, pluged to motor expansion port and job was done. Transmission AXS is connected to main battery.

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So the Sram AXS battery extension cord cannot directly connect to the Dji motor accessory port? Do you mind posting pics of the wiring connections so we can better understand. Much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[8o8ert]

The Amflow is the first emtb that's got me thinking about having one, but my use would be long rides in the lakes. Would it be capable of say 90km rides with 1000m climbing if you used Eco mode?

 

[Biano44]

The Amflow is the first emtb that's got me thinking about having one, but my use would be long rides in the lakes. Would it be capable of say 90km rides with 1000m climbing if you used Eco mode?

Depends on your weight, the tyres used and the weather.

 

[8o8ert]

Depends on your weight, the tyres used and the weather.

The range anxiety thing is holding me back, id just use my normal trail type tyres, i'm 83kg. I'm only interested in an emtb for doing longer rides, i generally top out at around 50km on my analogue once you factor in some moderate elevation. I'd be happy in Eco mode with like 50% assistance, not about going faster but taking the sting out of the climbs.

 

[elbielasmtb]

La ansiedad por la autonomía me frena, así que usaría mis neumáticos de trail habituales; peso 83 kg. Solo me interesa una bicicleta eléctrica para rutas largas; normalmente llego a unos 50 km con mi bicicleta analógica, teniendo en cuenta un desnivel moderado. Me conformaría con el modo Eco con un 50 % de asistencia, no para ir más rápido, sino para suavizar las subidas.

No tengas ninguna duda, yo peso 76, y mis vueltas habituales son de unos 60 km y unos 1200 m de desnivel y aún así me queda un 50 % de la batería todo esto haciendolo en eco y auto

 

[Biano44]

The range anxiety thing is holding me back, id just use my normal trail type tyres, i'm 83kg. I'm only interested in an emtb for doing longer rides, i generally top out at around 50km on my analogue once you factor in some moderate elevation. I'd be happy in Eco mode with like 50% assistance, not about going faster but taking the sting out of the climbs.

I’ve managed 55km in the Derbyshire Dales with 1300m of elevation on heavy knobbly tyres but I’m 100kg and it was low temps like 4degrees.
I also used all the power modes as and when I needed.
If you were to use your tyres and at your weight but only used Eco/Auto you could easily manage 80km - and probably more.

 

[8o8ert]

I’ve managed 55km in the Derbyshire Dales with 1300m of elevation on heavy knobbly tyres but I’m 100kg and it was low temps like 4degrees.
I also used all the poet modes as and when I needed.
If you were to use your tyres and at your weight but only used Eco/Auto you could easily manage 80km - and probably more.

Sounds good. What are these like to pedal when they run out of power?

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Do you need to run the right wireless controller for the touch screen? I'd guess it has the same functionality as simply touching the screen, right?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Do you need to run the right wireless controller for the touch screen? I'd guess it has the same functionality as simply touching the screen, right?

No. In fact I removed it completely. Touch screen is fine.

 

[Astro66]

Would it be capable of say 90km rides with 1000m climbing if you used Eco mode?

You can tune Eco to use as little as 100 watts maximum. So your range and elevation gain is only limited by how much work you want to do.

Sounds good. What are these like to pedal when they run out of power?

It doesn't feel good. So if you need to go long distances. Tune the Eco Mode so you don't run out. Keep in mind, you can re-tune direct from the touchscreen.

 

[levity]

C’mon, @etoni! Don’t you have any scenic pics?

I’m green with envy!

 

[Highland Wheels]

I’ve managed 55km in the Derbyshire Dales with 1300m of elevation on heavy knobbly tyres but I’m 100kg and it was low temps like 4degrees.
I also used all the poet modes as and when I needed.
If you were to use your tyres and at your weight but only used Eco/Auto you could easily manage 80km - and probably more.

Was just coming to post about similar

Got a route that's 65k and around 1600m elevation gain so was hoping it could manage that sort of ride using Eco/Auto

 

[Winford]

65k

40 miles is possible, but you will have to adjust your modes to add quite a bit of your power. Eco maybe. Auto? not f your stepping into it. Most I have done with 4200' in elevation was 42 miles on a 900. Using Trail mode and Eco on a EP801

 

[Biano44]

40 miles is possible, but you will have to adjust your modes to add quite a bit of your power. Eco maybe. Auto? not f your stepping into it. Most I have done with 4200' in elevation was 42 miles on a 900. Using Trail mode and Eco on a EP801

Are you comparing a DJI equipped bike to a bike/ride on a Shimano equipped bike?

If so, I don’t see how that’s relevant - sorry.

 

[Winford]

I don’t see how that’s relevant

That would be your problem. Lest clear this up.

2 questions.

#1 Are you under the false assumption the DJI is drastically more efficient than the Shimano motor?

#2 Do you think there is a huge difference on how far an 800W battery will get compared to a 900W battery when climbing 4000' ?

The DJI probably is more efficient, But that does not make up the capacity difference between a 900 battery and an 800. I bet is close. But range s range, and most motors factually are not dramatically different is how much juice they use to haul 200+ lbs up 4000' of elevation So yes I am comparing the two, can you give a good reason why I should not? This question is rhetorical. No need to answer.

 

[Highland Wheels]

40 miles is possible, but you will have to adjust your modes to add quite a bit of your power. Eco maybe. Auto? not f your stepping into it. Most I have done with 4200' in elevation was 42 miles on a 900. Using Trail mode and Eco on a EP801

I'm planning on turning it down anyway in the majority of modes, Probably to similar levels that my EP8 was set at as I'd rather get more range than be quicker up the climbs, Be interesting to see what sorta range it'll get turned down compared to everyone else seemingly having it set at 11 for maximum power and torque

 

[Biano44]

#1 Are you under the false assumption the DJI is drastically more efficient than the Shimano motor?

Is it a false impression? I had a Shimano E8000 for 4 years and the DJI is considerably more efficient than that but does have an 800w/h battery v's the Shimano's 504w/h battery. However the DJI is MUCH more powerful so I'm guessing if the power settings on the DJI were turned right down to match the E8000, the efficiency difference would be exasperated again.

#2 Do you think there is a huge difference on how far an 800W battery will get compared to a 900W battery when climbing 4000' ?

Impossible for me to answer I'm afraid......again, it all comes down to the weight of the rider, tyres used and the weather.

 

[Winford]

Is it a false impression?

Yes

Electric motors factually are not dramatically different in how much energy they use. The difference between a good design like DJI and a good design like Shimano, is very minimal, and ill give you that DJI is better. Just not enough to make a difference.


Lots if reports on range from the DJI, and if you knew this, you would not realize there is no question.

And the EP 8 with a 600w battery is not comparable to an EP801 with a 900 W battery. Like I said the efficiency of the DJI does not offset the smaller 800w battery. The only way to get 40 miles and 4000' on a dJI is to turn it down to the similar power output as the EP801 in trail mode.

You would have to have experience with a 900w battery and a more powerful motor.

 

[Winford]

Be interesting to see what sorta range it'll get

Right now reports are coming in, turbo mode of most getting high 20's and 4000' of climbing for 220 lb bike and rider combination. With the new battery.

I should let you know exactly in two weeks. should have mine next week.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Right now reports are coming in, turbo mode of most getting high 20's and 4000' of climbing for 220 lb bike and rider combination. With the new battery.

I should let you know exactly in two weeks. should have mine next week.

I guess it's that old adage of new toy so let's run max power while we can

Ill probably leave one mode set at max for quick fire road climbs but the rest I plan on detuning quite low, ~500w and less

 

[Biano44]

I guess it's that old adage of new toy so let's run max power while we can

Ill probably leave one mode set at max for quick fire road climbs but the rest I plan on detuning quite low, ~500w and less

Mine is set similar to a Levo except Boost which is all the power.

Trail is effectively the equivalent of Boost on my old Shimano E8000 and it makes a huge difference to speed off road.

I would say get your bike, try it, play with the settings and find what’s best for you.

I’ve done over 2000 miles on mine and I think it’s awesome.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Yeah I'll maybe leave it as is to start with but will definitely be turning it down to favour range

Hopefully Forbidden get their finger out and it arrives sooner than quoted otherwise summer is going to be over