I wasn't aware of this, thanks for the post.
New Pinion integrated gearbox and motor (MGU)
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Bombardier might just be my next bike
Got to try the new Pinion MGU today.
I'm sorry to say it did not live up to expectations. It was too noisy from gear 1-7 (or 8?), the gears were IMO a little too far apart and the gear changes unrefined. It also died on me 2 times during a 15 min test, which required a restart of the system. Unless there are some serious refinements which can be had through a firmware upgrade I would not have this system on a trail bike, even if I could stand the noise. Power was good but maybe not great.
I jumped straight onto a Riese & Muller ebike with Bosch motor + the newest electronic Rohloff gearing. This felt a lot better. Quieter, less gap between changes, better shift quality and probably also somewhat more powerful. Would be a good combo for a trail bike if you value low maintenance over the added unsprung mass. Perfect for a hardtail commuter bike.
In summary the Pinion MGU felt like a 1st gen product, hope they can improve on it over time.
I'm sorry to say it did not live up to expectations. It was too noisy from gear 1-7 (or 8?), the gears were IMO a little too far apart and the gear changes unrefined. It also died on me 2 times during a 15 min test, which required a restart of the system. Unless there are some serious refinements which can be had through a firmware upgrade I would not have this system on a trail bike, even if I could stand the noise. Power was good but maybe not great.
I jumped straight onto a Riese & Muller ebike with Bosch motor + the newest electronic Rohloff gearing. This felt a lot better. Quieter, less gap between changes, better shift quality and probably also somewhat more powerful. Would be a good combo for a trail bike if you value low maintenance over the added unsprung mass. Perfect for a hardtail commuter bike.
In summary the Pinion MGU felt like a 1st gen product, hope they can improve on it over time.
Wow.. What model of bike was it installed on ?
Do you have a photo ?
Do you have a photo ?
The brand was Kettler. I am not familiar with their lineup, but it was a comfort/commuter type hardtail. One thing I noted was that the display on more than one occasion stated "OEM mode". Best case it needed a firmware upgrade to soften the harsh gear changes (especially upshifts). Hope to be proven wrong as I really wanted the Pinion in my next ebike, but as a computer programmer myself I don't see it fixed with software. The Rohloff was better but as of now, sadly nothing beats the shift quality of a traditional derailleur. As a side note, I have also tried the Enviolo Vario stepless gear system - it's terrible!Wow.. What model of bike was it installed on ?
Do you have a photo ?
I talked to the Gates guys at the Taipei show yesterday. Sounds like the MGU is a long way off being available to most OEMs. Pinion just working with a few German speaking brands initially.
Frustrating, but makes sense and I'd rather they took this slow approach and got it right than rushed it.
The pinion gearbox itself seems well matured now and so hopefully they will sort all this out.
Frustrating, but makes sense and I'd rather they took this slow approach and got it right than rushed it.
The pinion gearbox itself seems well matured now and so hopefully they will sort all this out.
tooFATtoRIDE
New Member
This is hugely disappointing. However, as you said yourself, it is a 1st gen setup so fingers crossed it gets more refined soon.
For this years Absa Cape Epic stage race in South Africa the media e-bike riders are riding the brand new Bulls Vuca Evo AM 2 bike with Pinion MGU and belt drive. VUCA EVO AM 2 | All product details at a glance | BULLS Bikes official website
Coming Sunday after 8 stages with a total of 617 km and 16,500 m ascent we will know how reliable the motor is.
Coming Sunday after 8 stages with a total of 617 km and 16,500 m ascent we will know how reliable the motor is.
I'm waiting to know more.. thanks..
if its clunky loud and efficient then im ok with that if it lasts 10,000km before an oil change
Is the motor noisy or is it the gearbox? I've ridden the non-motored gearboxes, and they are virtually silent.
Eduardoramundo
Well-known member
Pyr0
E*POWAH Master
Bikes are a bit on the pricey side, and they sounded quite loud on the video, but it's good to see some finally being listed in the uk
Simplon Rapcon Pmax Pinion Electric Mountain Bike (Grey/Dark Grey)
The Rapcon Pmax Pinion marks the beginning of a new era of E-MTBs and outshines everything that has come before. The revolutionary Pinion drive combines motor and gearbox in one housing and makes vulnerable derailleurs obsolete. The centre of gravity of this system is more central than ever. In...
www.love-ebikes.co.uk
Simplon Rapcon Pmax Pinion
The Rapcon Pmax Pinion marks the beginning of a new era of E-MTBs and outshines everything that has come before. The revolutionary Pinion drive combines motor and gearbox in one housing and makes vulnerable derailleurs obsolete. The centre of gravity of this system is more central than ever. In...
www.love-ebikes.co.uk
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This integrated gearbox is exactly what I'd want. I've a bit of hate-hate relationship with dérailleurs, and still have fond memories of the IGH (shimano nexus) on my old analogue commuter. So much so when I bought my current bike I toyed with the idea of of converting it to an enviolo (bad idea BTW). (In fairness I must say I've been pleasantly surprised by the deore even though its only a lowly M4120, perhaps I've been lucky).
These are well outside of my budget, not surprisingly for a new tech.
When my current bike passes to the great scrapyard in the sky hopefully I'll have saved enough pennies and there'll be version 2 and my next bike will have an integrated gearbox.
These are well outside of my budget, not surprisingly for a new tech.
When my current bike passes to the great scrapyard in the sky hopefully I'll have saved enough pennies and there'll be version 2 and my next bike will have an integrated gearbox.
After having not bust a derailleur since about 2016, with all the gales here in recent weeks the windthrow has accounted for 2 mangled rear mechs In a couple of weeks. the expense is a pain, but of course the ride ending faff is more Problematic.
I’m in.
I’m in.
I'm guessing it's from the straight cut gears since it's pretty silent in gears 9-12, but I can't say for sure. What you hear in the EMBN video is how I remember it. I have owned emtbs with Brose, Mahle, Shimano, Bosch and TQ. This Pinion MGU is the loudest of them all. It's not an ear-friendly noise either like the low hum of the Brose.
It's sad really that Steve @ EMBN doesn't have the balls to touch on the negative aspects, he rarely does.
I'm hoping to have another go on the Pinion MGU bike again soon as I want to demo another bike at the shop. If I do I'll report back.
Ark
Active member
all I can think of after hearing it is
doochenozzle
Member
This sounds a bit goofy but could you wrap the mgu in some automotive sound absorption vinyl/foam stuff? I want this thing to work so badly…Bikes are a bit on the pricey side, and they sounded quite loud on the video, but it's good to see some finally being listed in the uk
Simplon Rapcon Pmax Pinion Electric Mountain Bike (Grey/Dark Grey)
The Rapcon Pmax Pinion marks the beginning of a new era of E-MTBs and outshines everything that has come before. The revolutionary Pinion drive combines motor and gearbox in one housing and makes vulnerable derailleurs obsolete. The centre of gravity of this system is more central than ever. In...www.love-ebikes.co.uk
Simplon Rapcon Pmax Pinion
The Rapcon Pmax Pinion marks the beginning of a new era of E-MTBs and outshines everything that has come before. The revolutionary Pinion drive combines motor and gearbox in one housing and makes vulnerable derailleurs obsolete. The centre of gravity of this system is more central than ever. In...www.love-ebikes.co.uk
Nicolai Saturn 16 MGU
Pyr0
E*POWAH Master
Your pic isn't working here for some reason @Rob Rides EMTB.
Found the bike though:
www.nicolai-bicycles.com
Found the bike though:
Nicolai Saturn 16 MGU, 10.999,00 €
Das neue Nicolai Saturn 16 MGU mit Pinion MGU Motor-Getriebe-Einheit jetzt konfigurieren
www.nicolai-bicycles.com
tooFATtoRIDE
New Member
Hopefully an in-review is coming soon...
If only it came with 200/200 long travel and a dual crown, or a 200mm frameset option, I’d get it! But mine would be raw with black decals and full 27.5 with a 40 up front and X2 in back, just like my Voima.
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tooFATtoRIDE
New Member
Same dream here but this 200/200mm is not happening any time soon.
You’re probably right, but we can dream! I hope you’re wrong though. I know Rob wants the same thing. If enough people voice what they want, they might well make it.
tooFATtoRIDE
New Member
I think Nicolai is very much tuned to the market. Therefore, in comparison to 160mm market, there would be much less of the potential client base for the 190mm and up ebike, similar to the Pole setup.
Yes, some people would love to have one, myself including. It is all about what sells. Nothing more. Nothing less.
And since we speak about what we dream about, I would also want to have the 800W 45km/h MGU version available, purely for shits and giggles of it.
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