Battery range on 500wh not what I was hoping
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it was more than that, I went further than expected, didnt take any food and I was emptier than a politicians promise on that climb.. I fell asleep straight after my shower
what a state
Anymore schoolboy errors fella?
Better there than on the drive home...
how long have you got ???
f*ck all spares, no tools, no pump, no spare tube, no waterproofs, no legs, no lungs... nothing
Good lad - I wonder how much additional mileage you've got out of your battery through not carrying all that tut - perhaps you are on to something! I'm ditching my bat belt for my next ride out, following your success.... top job!
Yummy, chocolate ?
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Better there than on the drive home...
aye but im very very fortunate to live right next to the trails.. the forest behind my house is the venue for a couple of enduro races, a couple of mtb races and loads of other stuff like the Wales GB rally..
I also have a 8 person airbnb, full workshop and a million other famous trails like BPW, sarn helen, strata florida, afan, the gap, cwm rhaedr etc etc... I usually close the airbnb during winter but I was thinking of opening it up to ebikers if there is any interest.
What a stonking advert! Plenty of tripadvisors, waiting to soil your sheets, I'm sure..
Wait! This has nothing to do with your impending purchase of an additional battery does it?
Will you charge extra, for these guided rides that you confidently speak about? Or are you simply looking for assistance, in getting back home, for free?
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What a stonking advert! Plenty of tripadvisors, waiting to soil your sheets, I'm sure..
Wait! This has nothing to do with your impending purchase of an additional battery does it?
Will you charge extra, for these guided rides that you confidently speak about? Or are you simply looking for assistance, in getting back home, for free?
what guided rides am I confidently speaking about ? I can show you around Wales if you want !
pallie
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Thats a lot. there must be something else going on. Its not only the weight savings
Rusty
E*POWAH BOSS
@Rusty - don't get @dobbyhasfriends stressing about his 'length issues'. or being able to 'finish off a ride'.. The fella has already admitted, he doesn't bother to carry any rubber, should he strike lucky, out on his trails..
Ken just looks much more natural and flowy ... PLUS, he falls off less - you waste a lot of power getting going again from a fall
... I should know
Spesh riders always go down at the end, in case we have a "technical problem" and find we can't get up again.
Baffled by this.. why are you riding an ebike vs a normal bike if this is how you ride? Genuinely curious.
Rusty
E*POWAH BOSS
You do pedal? No, I don't mean just spinning the cranks a few times a minute but actually pedal the fonking thing
Try resetting your power. I just use Mission control to set those and don't bother with Blevo or any other app.
Eco - 15/30
Trail - 30/60
Turbo - 100/100
On an average ride I might click Turbo once or twice if I screw up and forget to downshift enough - otherwise Eco with Trail for climbs.
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You do pedal? No, I don't mean just spinning the cranks a few times a minute but actually pedal the fonking thing
You've completely lost me there .. Pedal ? There's the gear pedal .. and the rear brake pedal ..
Yup .. I did the reset - that gave me a good chunk more distance and anyone with a potential range issue should try the mission control reset.
BUT - On Turbo and leaving it on Turbo I get on average 30k's (nope, I don't ride like that all the time) My highest "Eco only" on various attempted settings is 45k. (which is my highest, not my average). Normally these average out at 1200m climbing ish. Though yesterday I was flat after only 400m climbing, but it was very muddy.
I think if you have "undulating" - either little undulations or big undulations - you eat power.
My other theory is this : (the figures aren't exact they're just representative for visualisation)
If I'm in Eco, it's generally more of a plod - yes, I'll still go as fast as I can, so I'm normally using eco to it's highest - but it's still a plod. Lets say you're plodding up a hill at 5kph and using 120w. If I was in Turbo I'd be using say 600w, but I'd be doing 20kph - for whatever psychological/physiological effect, when I'm in Turbo - we work better together and MY average power output is higher than when I'm in Eco. (I'm puny, so Blevo says I only add 500w on the power meter).
Now if you look at that situation. To get up the hill in Eco would take me 10 minutes using an average of 120w. The same hill in Turbo and I'd get up it in 2.5 minutes using an average 600w.
So whilst I'm using a lot more power, I'm going a lot faster, So yes, I'm using 5 times the power per second, but cover 4 times the distance per second. So the Wh/Km is not actually that massively different. And ... IT'S A LOT MORE FUN !
That definitely is not a puny average or peak for that matter...in fact I know a few team principals who'd like to know if you're free next July ?
Whatever the number, you're a powerhouse mate.My Blevo stats says after rides that the lower motor assistance wh/km is the higher biker energy wh/km is. So if we can assume that the total enegry needed to ride for example 50 km ride is constant at any speed, the more I have battery left at the end when using lower assistance level. When speaking about range I do think it differs a lot between eco and turbo.You've completely lost me there .. Pedal ? There's the gear pedal .. and the rear brake pedal ..
Yup .. I did the reset - that gave me a good chunk more distance and anyone with a potential range issue should try the mission control reset.
BUT - On Turbo and leaving it on Turbo I get on average 30k's (nope, I don't ride like that all the time) My highest "Eco only" on various attempted settings is 45k. (which is my highest, not my average). Normally these average out at 1200m climbing ish. Though yesterday I was flat after only 400m climbing, but it was very muddy.
I think if you have "undulating" - either little undulations or big undulations - you eat power.
My other theory is this : (the figures aren't exact they're just representative for visualisation)
If I'm in Eco, it's generally more of a plod - yes, I'll still go as fast as I can, so I'm normally using eco to it's highest - but it's still a plod. Lets say you're plodding up a hill at 5kph and using 120w. If I was in Turbo I'd be using say 600w, but I'd be doing 20kph - for whatever psychological/physiological effect, when I'm in Turbo - we work better together and MY average power output is higher than when I'm in Eco. (I'm puny, so Blevo says I only add 500w on the power meter).
Now if you look at that situation. To get up the hill in Eco would take me 10 minutes using an average of 120w. The same hill in Turbo and I'd get up it in 2.5 minutes using an average 600w.
So whilst I'm using a lot more power, I'm going a lot faster, So yes, I'm using 5 times the power per second, but cover 4 times the distance per second. So the Wh/Km is not actually that massively different. And ... IT'S A LOT MORE FUN !
But I got your point. And yes I love using turbo in up hills keeping the speed gained. It is fun.
motor power output does not equate in a linear fashion to motor power consumption. There are other factors such as friction, air resistance, momentum, transmission loss and heat that impact on the relationship. In essence you get the most bang for your buck ( output v battery consumption) when the motor is operating at its most efficient. Low assist levels are therefore not necessarily the answer for most speed/performance for least battery consumption. The best ratio is when the gearing and assist level enables the optimum cadence which invariably means less pressure felt at the cranks.
mtbross
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I would say it's your settings. I don't ride a Spec Levo, but tested one. You should get the Mission Control app and then modify the settings. I like to keep the lowest/eco setting between 20-24%, the second around 40-44% and the top one around 80%. With that, I've gone over 50 miles with over 4,000ft climbing with a 500 battery and had plenty of spare...like 30-40% left.
I'm presuming you started with a fully charged battery and it's not defective. Play with the settings. You can also change them for any given ride, or even during a ride, depending on distance you plan to ride, and amount of assistance you need. In sum...it sure sounds like it's settings. Good luck.
Glen
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Everyone uses their power differently. I've just rolled over 6000km with 32 charges. 180km average. Ride a lot motor off enjoying scenery. But lts a blast when I do turn it on!
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The answer was almost in the text: because I am much fitter on top of the hill. Going down the fast way needs a lot of power and concentration. With my ebike I can take more risk and/or go faster or do it a second time.
Labrador29
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My Giant Trance e-mtb +1 Pro has a 500wH. The most I can get out the battery on a smooth flat tarseal road with a howling gale up my arse, is approx 75 km. Admittedly my riding weight with pack is 91kg, and being an older rider, my cadence is 70-80. Giant has 5 power settings and I seldom go past 2nd setting unless I am climbing.
A big difference eh! Very puzzling
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