Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

[rabitec]

I reckon this wrap makes the Rogue look thinner and different - not to everyone's tastes but good to see different styles

My wrapping job is progressing... Very slowly.

Learning as I go along as I never did dry wrapping vinyl before.

It's satisfying though and it can always be reverted Next time I try it won't have the overlaps in the middle!

 

[rabitec]

Mbr review.

There are a few things I find debatable of this review:

1) the "I recommend sizing up" while the person also suggested the bike is difficult to manual and hop. I think it would have been ideal for them to also test a medium and compare. We know other people raved about the playfulness of the bike I wonder if a size down would have helped.

2) the fact he said he's running in PRG to offset the dampening of the shock. Given the progressiveness of an air shock I would have thought he would have tried STD or at least compared the two

3) I don't buy the new Fox fork made all the difference. None of the other reviews I have watched seem to indicate such a dramatic difference.

4) the comments about the rear shock tuning - it would have helped to provide details of what the actual tuning was since we have seen different flavours in the past as mentioned recently by @TheBikeStudio

In any case - all reviews must be taken for what they are: personal opinions of riders above average who can compare more bikes than a normal person... But that does not mean what they like/dislike matches what I would.

 

[iJak]

The Mezzer is a really solid offering that performs very well at an incredible weight.

Somewhere around 2-3 years ago a German mag did some lab measurements and found the Mezzer to be more rigid than both the F36 & the Lyric, by substantial margins as I recall.

The catch is that the negative air volume is fixed and apparently the ratio between negative and positive gets pretty far from ideal in the 180mm travel position as the negative volume was made to be ideal around 160-170mm travel.

I run a Mezzer Avy (Avalanche Downhill Racing) Hybrid and it's been on 2 bikes so far. Basically it operates half on a coil spring and half on the existing air spring that is ran at about 1/3 pressure. This reduces air seal friction and gives a very coil like feel initially while retaining the ability to adjust bottom out resistance using the air side. Also, it's useful to be able to adjust sag/ ride height without having to alter the actual spring rate by adding/ subtracting air. It also uses an open bath damper, great for performance and lubricity, not so great for weight as the fork now weighs 2400 grams. Really this modified fork wasn't as good as a stock fork when first received; the nature of custom suspension is that it can be very good, but if it's off, it's pretty far out. But with some revalving and a change in spring rate, it's now a solid 9 out of 10 and I just had it apart today trying to get it even closer.

Anyways, the stock Mezzer is highly recommended if you want a great fork, at a great weight, at a crazy good price too. You can buy any travel Mezzer and swap the travel at no cost anywhere from 150-180mm FYI. They don't make thay clear online.

Apparently an upgraded one is on the way, but the only real place I could see to make an improvement is to have the front axle clamps added, similar to the newest Fox forks, as this is quite helpful in dealing with small variances in hub width and therefore removing a common source of binding. They are also very tight forks and respond well to burnishing.

I think to clear this up regarding the negative volume - it's fixed ratio at a given travel. Dorado air spring is self equalizing just like any other fork out there with the dimple. What does set it apart is the IRT, which is essentially the + or ++ from EXT or Ohlins fork to tune the positive air spring.e

 

[Suns_PSD]

I think to clear this up regarding the negative volume - it's fixed ratio at a given travel. Dorado air spring is self equalizing just like any other fork out there with the dimple. What does set it apart is the IRT, which is essentially the + or ++ from EXT or Ohlins fork to tune the positive air spring.e

Not to hijack, but I don't think so regarding the self-equalizing dimple.

Pretty certain that when you screw the air pump on to the lower Schraeder valve, that you are engaging both the positive AND negative chambers in this process. The negative spring doesn't self-equalize in the traditional sense and people do play games with this by partially unscrewing the pump then adding more air, etc.

Apologies if I expressed that poorly, my knowledge is limited on the topic.

 

[iJak]

Not to hijack, but I don't think so regarding the self-equalizing dimple.

Pretty certain that when you screw the air pump on to the lower Schraeder valve, that you are engaging both the positive AND negative chambers in this process. The negative spring doesn't self-equalize in the traditional sense and people do play games with this by partially unscrewing the pump then adding more air, etc.

Apologies if I expressed that poorly, my knowledge is limited on the topic.

ahh yes - you are correct, they use the pump method and not the dimple.

 

[Adyzakydany]

There are a few things I find debatable of this review:

1) the "I recommend sizing up" while the person also suggested the bike is difficult to manual and hop. I think it would have been ideal for them to also test a medium and compare. We know other people raved about the playfulness of the bike I wonder if a size down would have helped.

2) the fact he said he's running in PRG to offset the dampening of the shock. Given the progressiveness of an air shock I would have thought he would have tried STD or at least compared the two

3) I don't buy the new Fox fork made all the difference. None of the other reviews I have watched seem to indicate such a dramatic difference.

4) the comments about the rear shock tuning - it would have helped to provide details of what the actual tuning was since we have seen different flavours in the past as mentioned recently by @TheBikeStudio

In any case - all reviews must be taken for what they are: personal opinions of riders above average who can compare more bikes than a normal person... But that does not mean what they like/dislike matches what I would.

"Harder to manual your bike? Then size up..." wtf lol how does that make any sense, if in doubt, size down, i think Velduro have their sizing bang on.

 

[matix]

There are a few things I find debatable of this review:

1) the "I recommend sizing up" while the person also suggested the bike is difficult to manual and hop. I think it would have been ideal for them to also test a medium and compare. We know other people raved about the playfulness of the bike I wonder if a size down would have helped.

2) the fact he said he's running in PRG to offset the dampening of the shock. Given the progressiveness of an air shock I would have thought he would have tried STD or at least compared the two

3) I don't buy the new Fox fork made all the difference. None of the other reviews I have watched seem to indicate such a dramatic difference.

4) the comments about the rear shock tuning - it would have helped to provide details of what the actual tuning was since we have seen different flavours in the past as mentioned recently by @TheBikeStudio

In any case - all reviews must be taken for what they are: personal opinions of riders above average who can compare more bikes than a normal person... But that does not mean what they like/dislike matches what I would.

Agree.
He also seemed hung up on debating mid pivot suspension design and rearward axle path as opposed to sticking with the Rogue review. This made for a confusing review imo. It also seems strange that he didn't mention how good seatpost insertion is compared to just about every other similar emtb.

 

[Josepma]

At minute 4:00, has no one else seen anything unusual?

 

[Alex NZ]

Finally on a vivid (originally purchased old model before the frame was told to be incompatible). Have just come from EXT Aria, so will be super interesting to run two top tier air shocks from diff companies on the same frame. More tuneable vs easier to set up. I’m more for rockshox aesthetically anyway

 

[slickrock]

Can anyone with a medium or small (preferred) Rogue measure the actual seat tube length (roughly the distance between the BB and seat tube collar) and provide it? Only the "effective" seat tube length is specified on the site and I need the detail to properly calculate max dropper travel.

 

[DMR Dave]

My ride last night was terrible! Completely weather related - I was drenched through even in full waterproofs within 1/2hr of a 3hr ride.
As a result it wasn't our normal winch and plumet enduro ride because the steeps are virtually unrideable in the wet, so more of an xc ride (I wish I had a hard tail or short travel full sus for this reason), it highlighted to me some of the negatives from reviews such as Enduro.mag as this bike wants steep and fast, not flat - this said it confirms it's an amazing enduro bike but certainly not a trail bike.

 

[Ficus]

While i truly dont care its not a optimal trail bike. I just wonder why is it not a good trail bike? I cant imagine it being bad at it? Its overkill but cant see why it would be bad?

 

[DMR Dave]

While i truly dont care its not a optimal trail bike. I just wonder why is it not a good trail bike? I cant imagine it being bad at it? Its overkill but cant see why it would be bad?

on the mellow trails it had no pop, obviously it was easy to accelerate but I found it hard to keep flow and little jumps were effort with no fun.. maybe it was just to easy. maybe this is just emtb (I've nothing to compare it to).

 

[Durrti]

My ride last night was terrible! Completely weather related - I was drenched through even in full waterproofs within 1/2hr of a 3hr ride.
As a result it wasn't our normal winch and plumet enduro ride because the steeps are virtually unrideable in the wet, so more of an xc ride (I wish I had a hard tail or short travel full sus for this reason), it highlighted to me some of the negatives from reviews such as Enduro.mag as this bike wants steep and fast, not flat - this said it confirms it's an amazing enduro bike but certainly not a trail bike.

on the mellow trails it had no pop, obviously it was easy to accelerate but I found it hard to keep flow and little jumps were effort with no fun.. maybe it was just to easy. maybe this is just emtb (I've nothing to compare it to).

I’m not sure what your setup is, but this thing is super poppy and fun. Prob one of the most fun bikes I’ve ever ridden(and I’ve had a lot). The X2 made of a bit more subdued but was still fun.
May be time to give your suspension settings a rethink.

 

[Adyzakydany]

on the mellow trails it had no pop, obviously it was easy to accelerate but I found it hard to keep flow and little jumps were effort with no fun.. maybe it was just to easy. maybe this is just emtb (I've nothing to compare it to).

When I test ride one it was more poppy than my current Rail+ which is a poppy bike! You need to run the suspension firmer.

 

[DMR Dave]

I agree it is poppy and playful but I only find that on fast and or steep trails, it’s an amazing enduro/DH bike, but it’s not an all rounder as many expect all bikes to be.

 

[Durrti]

I agree it is poppy and playful but I only find that on fast and or steep trails, it’s an amazing enduro/DH bike, but it’s not an all rounder as many expect all bikes to be.

I’d have to 100% disagree, I have a ton of fun popping off the littlest hits and bunny hopping all the way up the trails. Point it downhill and it’s a downhill beast

 

[sethimus]

a mini e-dh bike is not a trailbike
more news at 11

 

[Suns_PSD]

a mini e-dh bike is not a trailbike
more news at 11

You've been awfully quiet (mostly a good thing) and haven't given a proper ride report on that new bike or the F38. What gives?

I would not be surprised to read that you ordered a new Wild soon with the Avinox to try and drop 2 kgs.

 

[panaphonic]

While i truly dont care its not a optimal trail bike. I just wonder why is it not a good trail bike? I cant imagine it being bad at it? Its overkill but cant see why it would be bad?

Put it in STD mode. It adds a tonne of support to the rear suspension. Makes it amazing for jumps and flow.

 

[panaphonic]

I’d have to 100% disagree, I have a ton of fun popping off the littlest hits and bunny hopping all the way up the trails. Point it downhill and it’s a downhill beast

I think it's all in the setup. I rode a grade 3 and the bike felt terrible but then rode a grade 6 and the bike felt amazing. This is all due to the bikes setup.

 

[sethimus]

You've been awfully quiet (mostly a good thing) and haven't given a proper ride report on that new bike or the F38. What gives?

I would not be surprised to read that you ordered a new Wild soon with the Avinox to try and drop 2 kgs.

shock problems on the first ride, needed to send it back to austria, big custom problems on the way there, was the bladder, got replaced, shock got hold up at customs again, should be here by tomorrow.

 

[Taxi Man]

shock problems on the first ride, needed to send it back to austria, big custom problems on the way there, was the bladder, got replaced, shock got hold up at customs again, should be here by tomorrow.

Ah! Thats super frustrating.

 

[sethimus]

The FUCK KASHIMA Edition


parts list over at Vital: Client Challenge

 

[Adyzakydany]

Love it mate!

 

[JP-NZ]

Very nice @sethimus! Love those RF wheels & hubs

 

[BikeBert]

The FUCK Edition

This build proves money and taste have nothing in common. It’s just an expensive pile of random parts that looks messy and overdone. It's not a bike build; it's a personality problem on two wheels.

 

[slickrock]

This build proves money and taste have nothing in common. It’s just an expensive pile of random parts that looks messy and overdone. It's not a bike build; it's a personality problem on two wheels.

Dude, that's harsh. You should save it for something like this:

Sorry Astro, just sayin.

 

[sethimus]

This build proves money and taste have nothing in common. It’s just an expensive pile of random parts that looks messy and overdone. It's not a bike build; it's a personality problem on two wheels.

 

[sethimus]

we need to call @BikeBert in, he needs to explain what exactly is random about my part choices