Shimano EP8 Cranks

gsum

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Jul 31, 2021
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Lake District
I'm having real problems with pedal strikes due to the extremely low Orbea Rise BB height. As a result I've pumped up the rear shock hard and even tried turning it off but still struggle with strikes. This isn't a problem I've had to this extent when riding previous bikes.
I want to replace the 170mm cranks with 155mm or 160mm cranks but my local bike shop tells me that these will not be available until early 2024.
I can't find anything an t'internet. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
 

mikegarf

New Member
May 2, 2023
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Manchester
Just a thought. Have you got you flip chip thingy on the frame set to high or low?
Also, I would have thought that you would be able to get some compatible shorter cranks from a reputable online supplier if your LBS can't help.
Cheers.
Mike.
 

gsum

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Jul 31, 2021
31
10
Lake District
Just a thought. Have you got you flip chip thingy on the frame set to high or low?
Also, I would have thought that you would be able to get some compatible shorter cranks from a reputable online supplier if your LBS can't help.
Cheers.
Mike.
Unfortunately the Rise doesn't have a flip chip.
Miranda and Hope make EP8 compatible cranks but I can't find anything less than 165mm. I don't think that the extra 5mm clearance would be sufficient. Thanks for your suggestions.
 

Shjay

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Apr 30, 2019
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Kent
If it’s the M20 or H30 then the fork is only 140mm travel giving a bb height of 336mm if you can extend the fork to 150mm that would rise the bb to 342 approx
 

RustyIron

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I've pumped up the rear shock hard and even tried turning it off but still struggle with strikes.

My goal when adjusting suspension is to provide the best handling, and nothing else. You might want to rethink pumping up your suspension too stiff or over damping it. Why to so many forum members have such an aversion to pedal strikes? It's a mountain bike. There are boulders, logs, ruts, and rocks. If you choose to ride the rough stuff, it's inevitable that your hardware is going to get banged up.

I just walked down to the garage to see if my bike had any pedal strikes. Attached below is a picture. Sorry for the dirt, but I just got back from a ride and haven't had the opportunity to clean it up yet.

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gsum

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Jul 31, 2021
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If it’s the M20 or H30 then the fork is only 140mm travel giving a bb height of 336mm if you can extend the fork to 150mm that would rise the bb to 342 approx
Thanks for that suggestion - I hadn't realised that was possible.
 

gsum

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Jul 31, 2021
31
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Lake District
My goal when adjusting suspension is to provide the best handling, and nothing else. You might want to rethink pumping up your suspension too stiff or over damping it. Why to so many forum members have such an aversion to pedal strikes? It's a mountain bike. There are boulders, logs, ruts, and rocks. If you choose to ride the rough stuff, it's inevitable that your hardware is going to get banged up.

I just walked down to the garage to see if my bike had any pedal strikes. Attached below is a picture. Sorry for the dirt, but I just got back from a ride and haven't had the opportunity to clean it up yet.

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I completely agree with you. The problem with the Rise M20 is that the BB height is excessively low, possibly because it has a 140mm fork - most bikes in the M range have 150mm forks. The bike therefore becomes unrideable because you only have to lean the bike over slightly when pedalling to come into contact with the ground, let alone boulders etc. No amount of modification of my technique (such as it is) seems to compensate for the lack of BB height.
 

Shjay

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Apr 30, 2019
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Kent
I completely agree with you. The problem with the Rise M20 is that the BB height is excessively low, possibly because it has a 140mm fork - most bikes in the M range have 150mm forks. The bike therefore becomes unrideable because you only have to lean the bike over slightly when pedalling to come into contact with the ground, let alone boulders etc. No amount of modification of my technique (such as it is) seems to compensate for the lack of BB height.
The BB height is low for an ebike but not for normal bike. My Ripley V4 had 336mm bb would get pedal strikes but was about timing, issue with e-bikes is we pedal everywhere! I do however run my M20 at 160mm travel so generally no issues
 

LeeS69

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Aug 27, 2022
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Yorkshire
Miranda do a 155mm apparently, link below

I seem to get more pedal strikes than I'm used to, a mate has a non E Orbea and was complaining about that too. Doesn't particularly bother me that much but it is noticeable!

Oddly my last bike (hardtail though) had a BB height of only 312mm but I don't recall any strikes. I guess with the sag, the wheelbase and the suspension in reality it could end up much lower, my even older RZ120 was 330 and didn't do it that I particularly recall!

 

gsum

Member
Jul 31, 2021
31
10
Lake District
Miranda do a 155mm apparently, link below

I seem to get more pedal strikes than I'm used to, a mate has a non E Orbea and was complaining about that too. Doesn't particularly bother me that much but it is noticeable!

Oddly my last bike (hardtail though) had a BB height of only 312mm but I don't recall any strikes. I guess with the sag, the wheelbase and the suspension in reality it could end up much lower, my even older RZ120 was 330 and didn't do it that I particularly recall!

Thanks Lee that's very useful. I'll take a look at the Mirandas
 
Aug 2, 2022
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UK
XTs from Germany And they're cheap!

I've got some. Not from there though.

They cut pedal strikes down to a few per ride rather than every 5 seconds like the original 170s

EDIT....

There's a £175 minimum order for shipping to the UK so probably not all that helpful unless you want more than just cranks...
 

gsum

Member
Jul 31, 2021
31
10
Lake District
I've just ordered the 155 mm Miranda cranks. They approximately the same price as the XTs when the higher postage costs from Portugal to the UK are taken into account.
 

Interpaul

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Jun 18, 2018
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Edinburgh
I have the 155 Miranda Cranks on my Rise now - arrived in 3 days. Can't fault them and they are my third set from Miranda as used them on other bikes,. Cheap and work well :)

Really like the 155 length - not had a single pedal strike.
 

Singletrackmind

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Sep 17, 2020
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San Diego, CA
I ride 160mm cranks on all my emtbs and have seen a lot less pedal strikes then I did with the 165/170 stock cranks. Ethirteen and 5Dev make cranks for various emtb motors. Some people have had issues with E13's on Shimano motors, but I've had absolutely none. Followed the revised torque procedure.
 

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