Punt Taken Part 2
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Fingers crossed. Really curious about the motor, hoping to do similar to you and get a FS with same motor if I like it to have 2 batteries!
Ooooooh Ryder, you have a sexy new girlfriend? Please let us know your impressions of the motor ASAP. I'm fascinated by the Fazua system and reckon it would be a great option for an EMTB, especially since the battery is so very compact.
Don't know how that happened
Interested in reading your thoughts about the Fazua as well.
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Only had a quick 3 mile shakedown ride but have some initial thoughts.
1) if you are the sort of rider that likes to boost everywhere the Fazua system is not going to be for you. Subtle is the best way to describe the assistance.
2) If you are the sort of rider that rides on Eco almost all the time and wishes there was an eco - then this will be the system for you.
3) Riding with no assist actually feels just like riding a normal bike...no drag and very little extra weight.
4) Race hardtails are fast and fun
5) Interestingly the front fork is a 27.5 boost fork...wonder if a 27.5 plus tyre will fit in the rear as well?
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Only had a quick 3 mile shakedown ride but have some initial thoughts.
1) if you are the sort of rider that likes to boost everywhere the Fazua system is not going to be for you. Subtle is the best way to describe the assistance.
2) If you are the sort of rider that rides on Eco almost all the time and wishes there was an eco - then this will be the system for you.
3) Riding with no assist actually feels just like riding a normal bike...no drag and very little extra weight.
4) Race hardtails are fast and fun
5) Interestingly the front fork is a 27.5 boost fork...wonder if a 27.5 plus tyre will fit in the rear as well?
I am a rider that likes Boost/Turbo but would be keen to understand what the Focus feels like on its highest power setting?
@Rob Hancill compared it to the Levo as more than ECO mode and slightly more than the 'standard' Trail mode.
In my mind that would be enough for me in a number of riding situations. I would always need another bike to please my addiction of 'Leave the world behind you' 'Turbo' mode but the Fazua would hopefully bring me back to earth and reality.
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Going out for a longer ride later so will check Turbo mode. I would not expect great range using turbo though.
Will keep reporting here as I get some miles on the thing. I can see me always having 2 e-bikes, a more XC short travel or hardtail for local rides and a longer travel bike for bigger stuff.
In this scenario I think the Fazua motor would be ideal for the XC bike. Time will tell whether it is suitable for long travel applications.
Will keep reporting here as I get some miles on the thing. I can see me always having 2 e-bikes, a more XC short travel or hardtail for local rides and a longer travel bike for bigger stuff.
In this scenario I think the Fazua motor would be ideal for the XC bike. Time will tell whether it is suitable for long travel applications.
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Well some figures for you all.
17 miles and 1700ft climbing. Mostly in eco with some trail and boost (about 10% I would guess) Battery on 6 lights out of 10 so somewhere between 60 and 50% remaining.
Quite a workout! The difference between the 3 modes is very subtle (to the point I was niot sure there was any at times!) This may change as it loosens up and it is noticable. The change between levels happens over the course of 2-3 pedal stokes so feels very smooth and contributes to the feeling that they are very similar.
Motor noise is there and a similar noise to the Shimano but much much quieter. If the Shimano is normal speaking the Fazua is a whisper.
If it was not for the noise you would not know the motor had cut out at 15mph, it is that subtle. The bike is absolutely fine to cycle with the motor switched off and with the battery and motor out would be even better. There is no blanking plate available yet if the motor is removed (Sept according to the Fazua web site)
Overall I think I am going to like it but I am not sure everyone, or even most e-bikers will as it really is a light touch.
17 miles and 1700ft climbing. Mostly in eco with some trail and boost (about 10% I would guess) Battery on 6 lights out of 10 so somewhere between 60 and 50% remaining.
Quite a workout! The difference between the 3 modes is very subtle (to the point I was niot sure there was any at times!) This may change as it loosens up and it is noticable. The change between levels happens over the course of 2-3 pedal stokes so feels very smooth and contributes to the feeling that they are very similar.
Motor noise is there and a similar noise to the Shimano but much much quieter. If the Shimano is normal speaking the Fazua is a whisper.
If it was not for the noise you would not know the motor had cut out at 15mph, it is that subtle. The bike is absolutely fine to cycle with the motor switched off and with the battery and motor out would be even better. There is no blanking plate available yet if the motor is removed (Sept according to the Fazua web site)
Overall I think I am going to like it but I am not sure everyone, or even most e-bikers will as it really is a light touch.
Awesome. How do you feel about the power levels? I thought it was similar to the Levo, more than Eco, around trail level.
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For me it feels like it skirts either side of eco on a shimano bike. So trail on the fazua felt about eco and boost slightly above. Having said that one ride is probably a bit premature for making too many judgements, I honestly had trouble noticing a differnece between the modes off road. On road I could tell the difference quite easily but offroad not so much. Also bear in mind mine is the "poverty spec" version so probably got a lot more rotational mass than the one you tried. I also wonder if you were influenced by the fact that it is a carbon race hardtail with low drag tyres and you tested it on road so it is going to feel very different from a trail bike offroad (i.e the Levo) I am tempted to stick a set of carbon wheels and a lighter drivetrain on it to see what it is like. Maybe I should crowdfund it!
Did you notice a big difference between the modes when you rode it?
Did you notice a big difference between the modes when you rode it?
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Sounds great as i find Eco on bosch is more than I need to average 12mph on my 50lb FS!
My kind of bike. Lovely.
Just out of interest, what is the seat post tube diameter?
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I thought so.
I have the same size on My Giant XCT Advanced Plus 1I wouldn't put a dropper post at the top of list of wants on this style of bike, but 27.2 certainly restricts the options of choice.
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OK bit of an update. God I love this bike
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The motor has definately loosened up. The Fazua unit mentioned this in its troubleshooting section, it takes a few miles for the motor to develop full power. Todays ride felt much better in that respect. Stuck pretty much to eco and was 1mph quicker than yesterday with less effort from me. Also the gap between the 3 modes was more pronounced, still subtle but definitely noticeable. The other big revalation, which I am not so happy about is that response from the engine does require me to adapt my riding style. I have always been a sit and spin at high cadence guy. usually I climb in a low gear at 100+ cadence. This is not good with this system abnd I am having to push higher gears at lower cadences to get a good response from the motor. Not a negative just something to be aware of.
Overall the best thing for me is this feels so much more like a regular mtb (albeit a race hardtail) than any other emtb I have ridden, and I love that aspect of it. It remains to be sen how it translates when put in a trail bike but for round here this is a perfect bike. Very happy with this!
Oh and as fopr range, 13 miles today 1200ft climbine and used about 30% of the battery so not much differnt to my other ebikes.
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The motor has definately loosened up. The Fazua unit mentioned this in its troubleshooting section, it takes a few miles for the motor to develop full power. Todays ride felt much better in that respect. Stuck pretty much to eco and was 1mph quicker than yesterday with less effort from me. Also the gap between the 3 modes was more pronounced, still subtle but definitely noticeable. The other big revalation, which I am not so happy about is that response from the engine does require me to adapt my riding style. I have always been a sit and spin at high cadence guy. usually I climb in a low gear at 100+ cadence. This is not good with this system abnd I am having to push higher gears at lower cadences to get a good response from the motor. Not a negative just something to be aware of.
Overall the best thing for me is this feels so much more like a regular mtb (albeit a race hardtail) than any other emtb I have ridden, and I love that aspect of it. It remains to be sen how it translates when put in a trail bike but for round here this is a perfect bike. Very happy with this!
Oh and as fopr range, 13 miles today 1200ft climbine and used about 30% of the battery so not much differnt to my other ebikes.
Pretty sure Thomson do a decent drop 27.2I thought so.
I wouldn't put a dropper post at the top of list of wants on this style of bike, but 27.2 certainly restricts the options of choice.
MartinW148
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I have a carbon Focus Jam2 and I have to say I love these bikes. If they had a Fazua based Jam I would find it really hard not to buy one....
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I wouldn't mind a quick go on that Ryder, just to see, like! Could trade you for a go on my E-Sommet alrhough I know you have the lovely Rocky as well
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No problem! Let me know when you want to head out. I am away this weekend and next but around mid week. By he way saw a friend of yours on the downs yesterday. Can’t remember his name but he was there when you did your neck. Rides a Capra I think and said he is an electrician.
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Amazed they have not announced anything yet. Light weight trail bike with the Fazua would be incredible.
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