Orbea Rise - Hardware / Mounting (sizes for Bolts, and etc)

[Funks]

Going to post this up here and will add as needed.

List of Hardware / Mounting (sizes for bolts and etc)

Mounting hardware for Rear Shock (manual is wrong)

Frame side - 8MM x 21.84mm

* Fox Hardware (IGUS Bushings) - Fox (803-03-279)
* Rockshox / Manitou (for DU Bushings) - RockShox (11.4118.091.807)

Yoke side - 8mm x 16.5mm

* Fox Hardware (IGUS Bushings) - ?
* Rockshox / Manitou (for DU Bushings) - Fox (803-03-062) - 8mm x 16.4 for DU Bushings.

EP8 Plastic Driver Cover Mounting Bolts

* M3 - 0.5mm pitch, 5mm length.

 

[Funks]

Does anybody know the size for the three screws for the EP8 plastic drive cover?

I believe they are M3 x 0.5 (thread pitch) with a length of either 4 of 5mm. Thinking about replacing them with stainless socket cap (Allen) screws for a few bucks.

 

[Offset]

To update this thread as the Orbea blue paper is wrong (2023 Rise one is correct) and there has been some confusion with customers requesting the size listed in the blue paper. Although the blue paper for the first gen Rise says 15.75 (here https://www.orbea.com/downloads/products/RISE_2021_BLUEPAPER_ES-EN.pdf) they're all using 16.5mm wide rear bushings.

2021/2022 and the new 2023 models use the same size shock bushings.

I think the Rise must be one of our most popular kits now. We offer standard shock hardware & offset (to adjust the geometry or allow a longer 216mm shock to be used to increase rear travel whilst maintaining stock geometry as best as possible).

Standard - Shock Bushings | Orbea Rise

Offset - Offset Bushings | Orbea Rise

If you need a bushing for just one end of the shock, we can do those. Just specify which end when ordering either of the below.

Standard single - Standard Bushing

Offset single - Offset Bushing

Hope that helps!

Jeron @ Offset Bushings

 

[iLuveKetchup]

To update this thread as the Orbea blue paper is wrong (2023 Rise one is correct) and there has been some confusion with customers requesting the size listed in the blue paper. Although the blue paper for the first gen Rise says 15.75 (here https://www.orbea.com/downloads/products/RISE_2021_BLUEPAPER_ES-EN.pdf) they're all using 16.5mm wide rear bushings.

2021/2022 and the new 2023 models use the same size shock bushings.

I think the Rise must be one of our most popular kits now. We offer standard shock hardware & offset (to adjust the geometry or allow a longer 216mm shock to be used to increase rear travel whilst maintaining stock geometry as best as possible).

Standard - Shock Bushings | Orbea Rise

Offset - Offset Bushings | Orbea Rise

If you need a bushing for just one end of the shock, we can do those. Just specify which end when ordering either of the below.

Standard single - Standard Bushing

Offset single - Offset Bushing

Hope that helps!

Jeron @ Offset Bushings

Great to see you here! I bought a set of F/R offset bushing for my '22 Rise M10 (carbon). Unfortunately, the rear bushing does not work with the Fox Float X (standard shock on Rise m10). The yoke will hit the end of the shock's stantions. The front hardware (closer to fork) installs just fine and have been running it with out issue.

Sorry for the blurry photo. The bolt does not line up with the offset hole. I guess I can trim (dremmel) the yoke but...

By comparison, here is the spacing between the yoke and stantions with the OEM bushing. That spacing is less than 2mm.

 

[alex_o]

I have installed the Cascade linkage with stock Float X, and increased the fork travel to 160mm, which should have brought the head tube angle down to 65º.
I'm now thinking if using an offset bushing to bring the BB back down and slacken the front a bit further would be a good idea?
Also curious on the impact on the kinematics of the very progressive curve with the cascade link. any thoughts?

 

[Weeksy]

Great to see you here! I bought a set of F/R offset bushing for my '22 Rise M10 (carbon). Unfortunately, the rear bushing does not work with the Fox Float X (standard shock on Rise m10). The yoke will hit the end of the shock's stantions. The front hardware (closer to fork) installs just fine and have been running it with out issue.

Sorry for the blurry photo. The bolt does not line up with the offset hole. I guess I can trim (dremmel) the yoke but...

By comparison, here is the spacing between the yoke and stantions with the OEM bushing. That spacing is less than 2mm.

BAck a few years ago i had to do the same with a Specialized Enduro... it's not nice taking the dremel to parts, but sometimes it's needed.

 

[Offset]

I have installed the Cascade linkage with stock Float X, and increased the fork travel to 160mm, which should have brought the head tube angle down to 65º.
I'm now thinking if using an offset bushing to bring the BB back down and slacken the front a bit further would be a good idea?
Also curious on the impact on the kinematics of the very progressive curve with the cascade link. any thoughts?

Hi Alex, thanks for your question!

Sure, the Offset Bushing(s) will lower the BB and slacken the HA further than the extended fork already has. So if you want a closer to stock BB height and like a Rise with a slacker HA then that could be a great option for you. There's one way to find out!

Regarding the small kinematic changes, that's a question best asked to Cascade.

Hi iLuveKetchup,

Sorry for the late reply, I hadn't seen this! Certain shocks will have less clearance than others which can depend on frame size too. That's the case for all bikes, not just the Rise. The X does indeed have less clearance than some others around the yoke area - you'll need 2mm of clearance for an Offset at that end. We can produce an Offset with less.. offset if one would like though.

Cheers!
Jeron @ Offset Bushings

 

[ebsocalmtb]

I have run a fox float x with a 2mm offset bushing in the eyelet/basevalve side of the shock on my XL frame. I have tried it this way with both the cascade link and with the stock link. There is barely room for the float X to not hit my frame, maybe .5mm to 1mm at most.

I predominantly run the bike with the cascade link, a 2mm offset bushing in the link/yoke side and an 8.5x2.5 DHX2 with a 27.5 rear wheel.

 

[theremotejuggernaut]

Bit of a thread revival!

I bought a pair of offset bushes to fit to my Rise. It's a 22 alloy frame with the newer 2 piece linkage. Floax X.

I too have the issue where the bottom bush doesn't work with my yoke. The bottom of the damper tube (stantion) is pressed hard up against the yoke so even if I could get the pin through, I still wouldn't be able to use it without destroying the shock

It's weird that some people can vet away with it and some can't. Surely there can't be that much variation in the size of the yoke?

I now see that Offset Bushings advise that there should be 2mm of space between the bottom of the damper tube and the yoke.

Does this mean that with the original shock, there needs to be at least 2mm space in order to fit the offset bush. And after fitting, that gap will reduce.

Or

With the offset bush fitted, there still needs to be 2mm to allow for some movement between the shock and the yoke?

There must be a small amount of space needed between the shock and the yoke to allow for a bit of movement/ play in the linkage.

Can we have a show of hand to see how many people have successfully run an offset in the lower position?

 

[Offset]

Bit of a thread revival!

I bought a pair of offset bushes to fit to my Rise. It's a 22 alloy frame with the newer 2 piece linkage. Floax X.

I too have the issue where the bottom bush doesn't work with my yoke. The bottom of the damper tube (stantion) is pressed hard up against the yoke so even if I could get the pin through, I still wouldn't be able to use it without destroying the shock

It's weird that some people can vet away with it and some can't. Surely there can't be that much variation in the size of the yoke?

I now see that Offset Bushings advise that there should be 2mm of space between the bottom of the damper tube and the yoke.

Does this mean that with the original shock, there needs to be at least 2mm space in order to fit the offset bush. And after fitting, that gap will reduce.

Or

With the offset bush fitted, there still needs to be 2mm to allow for some movement between the shock and the yoke?

There must be a small amount of space needed between the shock and the yoke to allow for a bit of movement/ play in the linkage.

Can we have a show of hand to see how many people have successfully run an offset in the lower position?

Hello!

The first of your two thoughts is the correct one. Offset Bushings pull the shock further into the mounting points, so you need the same amount of clearance (at least) as the offset of the hole in the bushing. The Rise uses 8mm bolts which yields a max of 2mm of offset. We note on our Rise product page for the Offset Bushings about the rear mount and that we can produce less offset if one likes .

Hope that helps!