Dji avinox

[BigFoot]

I took my bike to New Zealand today for a ride, mainly out of curiosity. I have a 25 min road commute to my trails so I wondered if it might help me get more riding in by taking less time to arrive.

1. I updated the App and the bike to the latest versions of everything
2. I used a free trial of Surfshark to visit New Zealand
3. Forgot and then repaired the bike on my iPhone
4. Enjoyed riding NZ style.

Thoughts:
As expected, you go much, much faster. I hit 33mph on that road commute (in a 40 speed limit!) before I ran out of gears / legs which really helped cut down that commute to about 15 minutes.

Once you're on trail, you're naturally governed by the terrain so you're not often going faster than 15mph on the trail anyway, otherwise you can't make corners. Downhill is obviously downhill so not related to motor speed.

That said, it's nice not having the motor cut out at 15mph when you're getting the pedals in - feels more natural coming out of a corner, getting some good pedal strokes in and having the bike continue to apply power.

It does make connecting up bits of trail a bit quicker as you can cover some great bridleway distance.

However, naturally it absolutely rinses the battery - I did 20.5 miles, 1.5hrs riding, 1150ft elevation up and down and I used 60% of the battery! Doing that ride previously I'd perhaps use 30-40%. Which I guess makes sense - double the speed, double the battery.

I'm also concerned about wear on the motor and battery. It must accelerate wear and tear bashing around at 30mph vs 15mph. I felt the motor after the ride and it didn't feel any warmer than other times I've checked it. but alas.

Due to battery consumption and concerns over wear I don't think I'll keep riding in New Zealand. Ideally I'd love an extra 5mph in the UK as 15.5mph can feel a bit slow on the roads, but rules is rules I guess.

Does the VPN alone set the bike to New Zealand once you re-pair it, or do you have to have some sort of GPS app set to New Zealand as well?

Thanks

 

[Astro66]

Unpair the bike. Set VPN to New Zealand. I also turn WiFi off. Then re pair.

That's it. Region will remain New Zealand until you unpair it again.

 

[Plyphon]

Does the VPN alone set the bike to New Zealand once you re-pair it, or do you have to have some sort of GPS app set to New Zealand as well?

Thanks

As Astro said - just VPN. I also turned off WiFi to pair as Astro said.

I've since taken it to the United States as suggested so I have a sightly higher top speed (20mph) which is enough just to make progress on the roads to the trail but doesn't end up emptying my battery or introducing accelerated wear and tear to my motor.

 

[Ridgydidge]

Has anyone tried Kazakhstan? Joking.

…Lends a whole new meaning to bike touring.

 

[martyfrommonmouth]

I'm also concerned about wear on the motor and battery. It must accelerate wear and tear bashing around at 30mph vs 15mph. I felt the motor after the ride and it didn't feel any warmer than other times I've checked it. but alas.

There's an Australian company that sells ebikes and also sells and installs chips to allow derestricting.

They mentioned in one of their videos that bikes that aren't derestricted have more motor problems in their experience than the bikes that have derestriction enabled, due to the motors constantly engaging and disengaging a 1000 times a ride when they hit the speed limit.

 

[Spin]

There's an Australian company that sells ebikes and also sells and installs chips to allow derestricting.

They mentioned in one of their videos that bikes that aren't derestricted have more motor problems in their experience than the bikes that have derestriction enabled, due to the motors constantly engaging and disengaging a 1000 times a ride when they hit the speed limit.

Of course they did.

 

[martyfrommonmouth]

Of course they did.

Yeah that's what I thought initially.

However, they maintain and service ebikes and it makes complete sense if you think about it.

Turn anything on/off constantly will increase wear on those parts and they will be liable to fail more.

 

[Peaky Rider]

So! if I buy an Amflow tomorrow, or actually when my local dealer, who has just announced he has secured the franchise, has suitable stock, will I still be able to lie about my location through the use of a VPN and deristrict to NZ speed limits?
Or has this loophole been closed yet?

Also, what is the speed limit in NZ, I'm a bit confused as to whether it's 20mph or 25 mph?

 

[martyfrommonmouth]

So! if I buy an Amflow tomorrow, or actually when my local dealer, who has just announced he has secured the franchise, has suitable stock, will I still be able to lie about my location through the use of a VPN and deristrict to NZ speed limits?
Or has this loophole been closed yet?

Also, what is the speed limit in NZ, I'm a bit confused as to whether it's 20mph or 25 mph?

For some reason it completely derestricts the bike if you use NZ location via VPN according to everyone who has done it.

This is because NZ has no restriction on speed limit for Power Assisted Cycles.

So, what are the facts?

1. there is no speed limit other than the limit posted on the road
2. power is limited to 300W
3. most places you can ride are considered roads

You can read it for yourself on the NZTA website.

Power-assisted Cycles (Declaration Not to be Motor Vehicles) Notice 2013 - 2013-au4618 | New Zealand Gazette

gazette.govt.nz

There are no speed limits. Obviously you can only pedal so fast with the motor assist unless you change the gearing.

More info...

• The e-bike speed limit is 32km/h. No, it isn’t, that would be in the USA and then only when under throttle (ie no pedal input). Rules by state vary.
• The e-bike speed limit is 25km/h. No it isn’t, that is the law in Europe and the UK. It is often trotted out by someone selling Bosch- or Yamaha-powered bikes which frustratingly cap out at 25-27.
• The power limit in New Zealand is 250W. No, it is 300W. Sort of…

 

[Plyphon]

So! if I buy an Amflow tomorrow, or actually when my local dealer, who has just announced he has secured the franchise, has suitable stock, will I still be able to lie about my location through the use of a VPN and deristrict to NZ speed limits?
Or has this loophole been closed yet?

Also, what is the speed limit in NZ, I'm a bit confused as to whether it's 20mph or 25 mph?

As of today, if your bike believes you are in New Zealand (or any location) upon pairing the app it'll obey the speed limits of that location.

 

[Peaky Rider]

As of today, if your bike believes you are in New Zealand (or any location) upon pairing the app it'll obey the speed limits of that location.

Thanks.

 

[Bikedriver19]

There's an Australian company that sells ebikes and also sells and installs chips to allow derestricting.

They mentioned in one of their videos that bikes that aren't derestricted have more motor problems in their experience than the bikes that have derestriction enabled, due to the motors constantly engaging and disengaging a 1000 times a ride when they hit the speed limit.

Thats a function of the controller, not the motor.

IF you install a chip, the chip is "outsmarting" the firmware, in the controller. the amflow, even when it has a speed limit, doesn't just drop off a cliff, like a bosch. PRobably why when it's about to drop..it is toggling like crazy, trying to keep exactly at the limit. The DJI, smoothly lets you off, but supplies power...its different.

I've delimited mine, from the start..no problems, and no difference in battery, etc.

Because the DJI controller is still "in full control," I'd guess its not an issue like adding a volspeed or similar, when you derestrict with a chip.

 

[techm8n]

Is it true that the VPN/New Zealand unrestricted max speed is now limited to 28mph after the recent Dji motor update?

 

[Biano44]

Is it true that the VPN/New Zealand unrestricted max speed is now limited to 28mph after the recent Dji motor update?

It always was.
28mph or 45kph.

Someone has suggested Hong Kong has no limit, but I’ve yet to try it.

 

[techm8n]

It always was.
28mph or 45kph.

Someone has suggested Hong Kong has no limit, but I’ve yet to try it.

Hey Biano44,
To clarify, your Dji bike is in the US (no VPN hack applied)? And its assist limit was already at 28mph, not 20mph? Thanks.

 

[Biano44]

Hey Biano44,
To clarify, your Dji bike is in the US (no VPN hack applied)? And its assist limit was already at 28mph, not 20mph? Thanks.

No.
My DJI bike is in the UK (15.5mph) the VPN hack would raise the limit to 28mph if set to New Zealand limit.

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Anyone run an E13 sidekick and can speak to how much it quiets down any motor rattle?

 

[Chips]

With the introduction to the US market they have added a function to select class/speed limit 15/20/28 mph, is this now the best country to register in? My thought process here is that I can derestrict easily for 'private' trails and bring it back down for the roads and it`ll pass any spot check. Can anyone think of any draw backs, power levels etc should all be the same?

 

[Onetime]

With the introduction to the US market they have added a function to select class/speed limit 15/20/28 mph, is this now the best country to register in? My thought process here is that I can derestrict easily for 'private' trails and bring it back down for the roads and it`ll pass any spot check. Can anyone think of any draw backs, power levels etc should all be the same?

It’s awesome and this will likely be one of the key decision makers in people deciding to buy an Avinox equipped bike over any other brand motor, other than specialized who also have a class 3 option. I feel like any other manufacture that does not follow suit is going to lose in sales, (Bosch). Who doesn’t want full power and light weight without the BS speed restrictions?

 

[John_likes_bikes]

What would the reason be to have class 3 go back to "normal" after powering off? I can't really think of a logical reason other than if it's not permanent the bike can't really be classified as class 3.

 

[Chips]

What would the reason be to have class 3 go back to "normal" after powering off? I can't really think of a logical reason other than if it's not permanent the bike can't really be classified as class 3.

I`d imagine exactly that John. It may not be for everyone if it has to be set every ride (which seems to be the case). I`d prefer it to stay set until I change it. Might be okay though, depending how deep in the menus it is.

 

[ZR1]

Does the USA get 1000w or 750w?

 

[Chips]

Does the USA get 1000w or 750w?

These are the bits I'm looking to find out, are there any difference aside from this extra function - my guess is 1000w as we get it and their average assist can go up to 750w vs our only being 250w

 

[Onetime]

It gets 1000w, 120nm for up to 60 seconds and class 3 28mph. But it apparently it comes with a disclaimer about being aware of your local laws when these features are selected.

 

[Astro66]

What would the reason be to have class 3 go back to "normal" after powering off? I can't really think of a logical reason other than if it's not permanent the bike can't really be classified as class 3.

If you get stopped. Simply power the bike off. It's a single button press. When powered back on to check speed limit. It has defaulted to Class 1.

 

[Wilkom]

I have just ordered an Amflow. Does this region hack still work?

 

[Astro66]

Still working when I apply it.

 

[Dave0]

Maybe some 1 has and older version of Avinox Ride .apk saved some where, could you share it here, i would lime to try it to remove the 45 km/h speed limit.

 

[Wilkom]

Still working when I apply it.

Thanks

 

[Jan22]

Hey
I am new to the avinox system and really like it so far.

I tried the connect the system by vpn (hide.me) today, but without a result. Should I delete the bike from the app first and reinstall it? Or should I use a different app (nordVPN)?

I connected without wifi and just disconnected from the bike, added vpn and reconnected. I did this several times without unlocking the speed limit.
Of course I only use the bike on my private property.