Dji avinox- Amflow - Discussion

[Gauss Guzzler]

The speed at which America fell from the world stage is absolutely mind boggling. A few months ago we were the center of the global economy and today we don't even have reliable access to the simplest of commodities like Giant bikes or Avinox parts.

 

[TheSnowShark]

I notice the fall of the dollar as emblematic of a country that once shaped the world, has found itself shaped by its own contradictions

Frankly, I've been reading your negative comments on pretty much everything for a while now, and I'm fed up with your anti-American insinuations, or your anti-everything else for that matter... I'm French and I don't recognize myself in your Anglophobic insinuations.

 

[Winford]

America fell

Who know where you are from, but America never fell anywhere.

Giant bikes or Avinox parts

Who cares about Giant bikes, I dont and tariffs are a good thing.

And Avinox parts will be here, the bikes just got here and lack of parts have nothing to do with anything falling.

 

[jever98]

Who know where you are from, but America never fell anywhere.

Who cares about Giant bikes, I dont and tariffs are a good thing.

And Avinox parts will be here, the bikes just got here and lack of parts have nothing to do with anything falling.

By what logic are tariffs good? They're economically inefficient and the fairy tale that they will lead to re-onshoring is just that: a fairy tale

 

[Moderator]

Gents,

Just a reminder to leave the politics off the forum.

Thanks.

 

[Astro66]

In an attempt to add a little extra downhill clout to my Amflow, without adding weight. I flipped the flip chip to 29er, whilst still leaving the mulleted 27.5 installed. The protractor measuring head angle, showed about 64.4 before, and 63.7 after. So a slackening of about 0.7.

The less desireable impact will be a lower BB, and the steering not feeling as sharp. I'll take it out on the weekend and report back on any noticeable differences.

 

[Astro66]

Nice video on upgrading the PL Carbon Pro. The results look great.

Couple of comments.

I think I'd fit a Fox 38, rather than the Podium.

If you getting a new wheelset. I'd go MX wheelset.

Completely disagree with the longer cranks. If he wants to improve his technical climbing, he needs the clearance to reduce rock strike. I think he could fix his knee issue with seat height and position.

He could have used gold titanium bolts on the brake calipers and rotor bolts.

 

[dreys]

Nice video on upgrading the PL Carbon Pro. The results look great.

Couple of comments.

I think I'd fit a Fox 38, rather than the Podium.

If you getting a new wheelset. I'd go MX wheelset.

Completely disagree with the longer cranks. If he wants to improve his technical climbing, he needs the clearance to reduce rock strike. I think he could fix his knee issue with seat height and position.

He could have used gold titanium bolts on the brake calipers and rotor bolts.

Unfortunately the above is full of cr##. He doesn't know what's he's talking about, and as many of other YouTubers, uses video to get $$ to show products of whoever pays him and pitches promo codes every few minutes. I wouldn't take his "upgrades" seriously.

 

[mtnrider]

Unfortunately the above is full of cr##. He doesn't know what's he's talking about, and as many of other YouTubers, uses video to get $$ to show products of whoever pays him and pitches promo codes every few minutes. I wouldn't take his "upgrades" seriously.

^ Agreed. His videos are entertaining but nothing more then sponsored advertisements. That "build" is ridiculous and makes no sense at all, a podium shock has no business on that bike, a 36 is plenty on a trail bike like this.

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[Winford]

Couple of comments.

Great choice of tires, I ride those Scorpions normally but went with Shredda rears on the Amflow. Verdict between the two is still a toss up.

I also think my 220 rotors and 27.5 is a far better upgrade paired with 220 rotors.

a 36 is plenty on a trail bike like this.

I would love to try the Pro in a 180 front and rear combo. But in its stock suspension trim, it is a Swiss knife of a trail bike with the 36.

I wouldn't take his "upgrades" seriously.

Agreed. A show pony is not a go pony, and only the forks give it eyeball, so its not much of a show pony either

 

[Astro66]

I would love to try the Pro in a 180 front and rear combo. But in its stock suspension trim, it is a Swiss knife of a trail bike with the 36.

I decided I'm going to leave my Amflow suspension stock and just make mods to reduce weight. I just love the way this bike rides.

If in the future I want to downhill faster. I'll buy a separate 180/180 EMTB. Hopefully there is a Avinox powered one I can buy in the future. But as I won't be Technical Climbing with it. It's not so important.

 

[Plyphon]

I decided I'm going to leave my Amflow suspension stock and just make mods to reduce weight. I just love the way this bike rides.

If in the future I want to downhill faster. I'll buy a separate 180/180 EMTB. Hopefully there is a Avinox powered one I can buy in the future. But as I won't be Technical Climbing with it. It's not so important.

On my PL I would like to upgrade the Float to a Float X but other than that, keeping it as it comes. Dialled bike.

 

[Plyphon]

 

[RickBullotta]

I certainly wouldn't put a podium on this bike. That fork is a boat anchor and would totally ruin the fore/aft weight distribution of the bike.

 

[Powerslider]

I certainly wouldn't put a podium on this bike. That fork is a boat anchor and would totally ruin the fore/aft weight distribution of the bike. run Podium forks on mountain bikes

It’s completely routine to run a Podium on an organic mountain bike, yet it’s too much for an Amflow? Doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[mtnrider]

It’s completely routine to run a Podium on an organic mountain bike, yet it’s too much for an Amflow? Doesn’t make sense to me.

It's too much for Any trail/xc bike (which amflow is), it's suited for enduro/downhill.

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[RickBullotta]

It’s completely routine to run a Podium on an organic mountain bike, yet it’s too much for an Amflow? Doesn’t make sense to me.

I find the Amflow to be perfectly balanced in the air with the 36. Adding almost 2 pounds would change that.

 

[Plyphon]

On my PL I would like to upgrade the Float to a Float X but other than that, keeping it as it comes. Dialled bike.

Managed to find a Float X Performance Elite on ebay for £200, so looking forward to swapping out the Float.

 

[Powerslider]

It's too much for Any trail/xc bike (which amflow is), it's suited for enduro/downhill.

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I agree the Amflow is a trail bike out of the box; that’s a big reason it’s not the right bike for me. You could change components to make it into an enduro though. That’s what’s happening here; he’s putting a podium on it to make it an enduro style bike… and if a Podium works on an organic enduro bike, it’ll work great on an Amflow enduro bike.

 

[mtnrider]

I agree the Amflow is a trail bike out of the box; that’s a big reason it’s not the right bike for me. You could change components to make it into an enduro though. That’s what’s happening here; he’s putting a podium on it to make it an enduro style bike… and if a Podium works on an organic enduro bike, it’ll work great on an Amflow enduro bike.

Slapping a fork on a bike doesn't make it an enduro bike either, it's a trail bike (by geometry and frame construction) and always will be.
I'd never put a podium on a organic trail bike either and I don't see anyone arguing that point. Where are you seeing people saying it works on a organic trail bike?
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[Ndanger]

Slapping a fork on a bike doesn't make it an enduro bike either, it's a trail bike (by geometry and frame construction) and always will be.
I'd never put a podium on a organic trail bike either and I don't see anyone arguing that point. Where are you seeing people saying it works on a organic trail bike?
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Yes you are correct, calling a 21 kg trail / all mountain bike an enduro by putting a heavy downhill fork on it is like putting bread slices in an oven and calling it a toaster yes by definition but no by practicality unfortunately, regardless of how you wish it to be so.

 

[HIGHDESERT]

In an attempt to add a little extra downhill clout to my Amflow, without adding weight. I flipped the flip chip to 29er, whilst still leaving the mulleted 27.5 installed. The protractor measuring head angle, showed about 64.4 before, and 63.7 after. So a slackening of about 0.7.

The less desireable impact will be a lower BB, and the steering not feeling as sharp. I'll take it out on the weekend and report back on any noticeable differences.

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When I test rode an Amflow I liked it but belt a little high on the bike compared to my gen 3 Turbo Levo so I was thinking I would mullet it right away to see if that helped.(I have reg. PL ordered) Is anyone else coming from a levo to a mulleted amflow around here? I ride a few bouldery trails where I will hit my Levo pedals sometimes so wondering how the Amflow will compare to it in that aspect.

 

[Astro66]

When I test rode an Amflow I liked it but belt a little high on the bike compared to my gen 3 Turbo Levo so I was thinking I would mullet it right away to see if that helped.(I have reg. PL ordered) Is anyone else coming from a levo to a mulleted amflow around here? I ride a few bouldery trails where I will hit my Levo pedals sometimes so wondering how the Amflow will compare to it in that aspect.

I came from a mulleted Merida E160, so I mulleted the Amflow PL Carbon Pro immediately after purchase. I ran 150mm cranks on my Merida to help with pedal strikes, but the Amflow comes with 155mm, so I haven't changed them.

I snapped the frame of the pedal on the weekend in a rock strike, so I'm thinking the flip chip probably contributed, though I was using plastic framed SPD pedals to save weight. I have put my light-weight alloy SPD pedals back on, that don't really have a frame.

I am undecided about the impact of running the bike slacker at 63.7, as the group I was with, didn't really want to hit any technical downhill. But it didn't seem to impact the climbing noticeably.

 

[Astro66]

Yes you are correct, calling a 21 kg trail / all mountain bike an enduro by putting a heavy downhill fork on it is like putting bread slices in an oven and calling it a toaster yes by definition but no by practicality unfortunately, regardless of how you wish it to be so.

I think the podium would improve the Amflow in 3 ways.

1) Small bump compliance from the lower unsprung mass of an inverted fork.
2) Stiffer front end would reduce deflection.
3) Extra weight would make the bike feel more planted.

But I am definity in the camp that the Amflow PL Carbon Pro is the perfect balance of, poppyness, playfulness, climbing prowess and downhill ability. And as such, it's just the most fun bike I've owned. My bunny hop when I'm under pressure, has improved out of sight with this bike.

So apart from mulleting and losing weight off it, to make it more playful, climb even better and give me more butt clearance when I'm hanging off the back. I am sticking with the factory suspension. It is a high end suspension and designed for the bike, and unless you really know what you are doing, I think it would be hard to set something else up better.

And lastly. I would put a 170mm Zeb or 38 before a Podium. The Zeb being my preference. But with the sag set correctly, I really haven't been blowing through my fork travel. It's the rear shock that I am occasionally bottoming out, but it is rare. I probably need a volume spacer. But it's not an issue.

 

[Powerslider]

Interesting that some believe the Amflow’s geometry limits its ability to be made into a great enduro bike. Personally im not contending that it could or couldn’t, but this is exactly why I didn’t buy one and modify it into an enduro in the first place. I didn’t want to experiment.

 

[Powerslider]

Slapping a fork on a bike doesn't make it an enduro bike either, it's a trail bike (by geometry and frame construction) and always will be.
I'd never put a podium on a organic trail bike either and I don't see anyone arguing that point. Where are you seeing people saying it works on a organic trail bike?
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My point is that the weight of an Amflow doesn’t prevent the Podium from being a good choice. That is the assertion I’m pushing back against. Much lighter bikes successfully use that fork.

 

[Astro66]

Interesting that some believe the Amflow’s geometry limits its ability to be made into a great enduro bike. Personally im not contending that it could or couldn’t, but this is exactly why I didn’t buy one and modify it into an enduro in the first place. I didn’t want to experiment.

Yes. The Amflow was not designed as an Enduro. It can be modified to be more Enduro-esqe. That's it.

IMO. Buy the bike closest to your use case. And make minor mods to get it perfect for you. In your case. If you want the best Enduro. Start with an Enduro.

My point is that the weight of an Amflow doesn’t prevent the Podium from being a good choice.

I met a guy on the trail with a podium on his Amflow PL Carbon. He also had a coil shock. And some downhill casing tyres. We chatted for a while.

He loved the setup. We then checked the weight of each others bike. I guarantee that thing was over 23kg. I would hate that. Defeats the whole point of buying the Amflow for me. And was my lightbulb moment for not touching my suspension.

But once again. It just shows that use case is the biggest factor in what is the best setup for a bike. So for me. Any advice or rating given on a EMTB or component you are riding, must be caveated with where and how you are riding it.

BTW. While I'm in this thread. I meant to mention I saw 4 other Amflows in the National Park on the weekend. Which is a huge amount when you consider I probably only come accross 10-20 other bikes on a ride. I really don't feel so special anymore .......

 

[Winford]

And some downhill casing tyres.

Important around here. I know Shreddas are pretty heavy, but I need the traction on some of our downhill segments.

 

[Astro66]

Important around here. I know Shreddas are pretty heavy, but I need the traction on some of our downhill segments.

If you need them. Then you need them. But I am using a softer compound tread, with lighter casings. This is working for me. But I am getting some scratching on the casing when I go into the technical areas.

I run 22psi front and 24psi rear when in the National Park or most single track. But need to run 24psi front and 26psi rear when I'm doing my urban riding. Too many hard square edges in the Urban settings.

I carry one of those cigarette lighter sized electric inflators, with a gauge on it. My mates love it, and no longer bring their pumps. I end up with a flat battery on the inflator before we even head out. Luckily it plugs into my Amflow USB-C port, and recharges in 20 mins.

 

[Winford]

I am getting some scratching on the casing when I go into the technical areas.

Scorpions on the rear at the end of their life are trashed just like that, but the casing is still thick enough for abuse, and not as heavy as the Shreddas. Traction is damned close. I was looking at other tires on bikes on a ride day before yesterday, The knobby patterns all look as competitive, and I doubt most people can outride any of them. I had the rear get loose in dry hero dirt twice at speed, due to loose stuff on top, but was able to get it to hook back up before I slid into brush. When you have the much traction its easy to overplay your hand total driver error on both counts. I ride through multiple geological changes, so one trail is rocky, another muddy, another thick gravel, then combined with smooth flowy section you can rail, then into small gravel. The swiss knife bike is nice for this. But going into wet season here, the Shreddas might have a small advantage over the Scorpions. I hate fixing a pinch flat at night, or putting a tube in, and every Maxxis ive used gets such the first week. Scorpions I an leave the house with 15 lbs and not once been left stranded, and they lasted a long time. Shreddas im almost 800 miles and they still look new. The maxxis at 800 were worn pretty bad. I think I got over 1500 out of the Scorpions before swapping a new rear on.