Nasty Nick
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If you're under 6 foot something get a mullet bike. They are the future.
commencal 2021
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westcoastmtbr
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This Commencal 2021 Power thing is very interesting. The head tube angle gone too far? Wheelbase even longer? I have no doubt Commencal knows their bikes, and have adapted to the ep8 in quick fashion... just wondering why not go a little more traditional modern? Is this bike going too cutting edge at 63.5 and super steep seat angle? Personally like the bike, just wouldn't buy personally without a very long test ride.
aklemm
New Member
Same here. 140/150mm is the sweet spot for me.
rb.
Active member
Want to buy my Decoy 29 then?
Before I owned an ebike I thought that travel would be perfect. Now I want 160/170 range to be able to plow and smash through anything.
westcoastmtbr
Active member
Awe, I hear the Decoy 29 is sweet. I owned a Decoy Mullet, and sold it for more than I had into it. I was actually waiting for better battery life and yes, the ep8. Think it will be more like the equivalent of the the Levo 700wh as the new motor is more efficient. Think I will go down and ride a Decoy mullet and 29 before I just get another. The proof may be in the test ride and heck, Commencal may have the perfect geo we just need to be ok with the new numbers.
aklemm
New Member
Where do you live? Lol.
I actually ordered a Decoy Pro 29 back when they were available and YT screwed up and didn't actually have the inventory the website showed, so my order was cancelled. Wish they offered a bigger battery too.
My current acoustic bike is 125/140mm and I can keep up with most of the enduro bros. I demo'd a Santa Cruz Megatower (170/180mm) and didn't love the monster truck/plow over everything by style of riding. It's confidence inspiration and you can get away with any line choice, but I think I like the snappier, more playful 140/150mm travel range.
Maybe an ebike is different... Hmmm.
Signature vs Team about $700 more here in US. XT and Fox factory vs SRAM GX and Rockshox ZEB ultimate. Hmmm
Seems to me that Rockshox are easier to adjust in general than Fox, but I've never ridden Factory. RSC vs XT 4 caliper? XT shifter vs SRAM? "Rob" seems to prefer the XT shifter on his latest video above all others. I may need to find a local test drive from trek etc to check out XT.
So if the tooth fairy gave you the extra bucks for the Signature (and no you cant keep it to buy more weed), which version would you choose?
Seems to me that Rockshox are easier to adjust in general than Fox, but I've never ridden Factory. RSC vs XT 4 caliper? XT shifter vs SRAM? "Rob" seems to prefer the XT shifter on his latest video above all others. I may need to find a local test drive from trek etc to check out XT.
So if the tooth fairy gave you the extra bucks for the Signature (and no you cant keep it to buy more weed), which version would you choose?
Yes you may like the longer travel when you have 55lbs of bike coming in for a landing...
noblige
Member
I have both Rockshox/SRAM Meta 27.5 and Fox/Shimano Meta 29 - will go with Signature again, assuming both builds will be available at the same time. If not - will go with whichever is available sooner.
HeatproofGenie
Active member
I had a '19 Meta Power 29 and now have a '20 Meta Power 29. The '20 is superior in every way for legitimate mountain biking IMO. The new bike will be really good.
westcoastmtbr
Active member
What do you think of the new GEO of the 2021?
So you prefer Fox/Shimano then? Any specific reasons for the preference?
noblige
Member
Brakes - I feel these work better in steep/high speed setting (comparing 2-piston XT vs Guide), easier maintenance (mineral oil plus no need to fuss with two syringes). Fork/Shock - honestly: mostly for Kashima looks
Team. Would pay extra for Team.
shenchman
New Member
haven't ridden Zebs or 38s yet but have had a fox 40 & float X2 for years & appreciate independent HSC/LSC & HSR/LSR to soak up the big drops with more HSC+HSR while keeping the bike plush on the small stuff with less LSC+LSR.
I also far prefer the XT drivetrain vs GX, the top of the GX cassette goes 28,32,36,42,52 ie +4,+4,+6,+10--a huge 10t jump from the 42 to the 52 which imo looks like a bizarre hack & feels like you're missing a gear between.
XT goes 28-33-39-45-51 ie +5,+6,+6,+6 which is a more gradual & useable spread imo--especially if you're doing long alpine rides mostly in eco mode using all those small gears to maximize your range.
XT cassette might last a little longer too, no experience. & when you need to replace it, XT 10-51 is $160 US, LX 10-51 is only $100 US.
sram GX 10-52 is $215 & no cheaper option.
MrBrownstone
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2021 BMC speedfox AMP with ep8 cometh. 130 travel. Perfection. Love mine.
rb.
Active member
Does your e8000 motor not clunk all the way down the trail? Mine definitely does.
rb.
Active member
It won’t be for sale until after I have replaced it with another ebike. At first I wasn’t a believer, but after a couple months on the ebike I don’t want to ride my normal bike anymore.
rb.
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If the Team and Signature were the same price I would go with Signature because I prefer fox suspension and the frame color better. But since they are not, I think I’d go with Team.
Dropper post: I prefer fox much better. I haven’t ridden the one on the Team addition, but for me 175mm transfer is top tier.
Brakes: I always prefer Shimano over Sram, but in this case I would be replacing either option for Saints/Zees most likely. I have used those on all my previous bikes, as well as my current enduro, and would want my brakes to be the same. I think Code RSC will resale for more than XT’s so I give the Team model the win here. I don’t care about rotors.
Fork: I have a 38 on my Enduro and love it, but do want to try the Zeb. I’d prefer the 38 just to have consistency between bikes, but not a deal breaker as I’m sure a Zeb is good as well.
Shock: Same exact comment as above. I have the float x2 and love i but I have no problem with a SD ultimate.
Drivetrain: I have both right now and they both work fine. I give the slight edge to Eagle just because I love the lockout button on the der. Also would be nice to only have 1 drivetrain brand to worry about.
Frame: I prefer Signature frame color a lot better. My two current bikes are black and white, I don’t really want a another black/white bike.
Dropper post: I prefer fox much better. I haven’t ridden the one on the Team addition, but for me 175mm transfer is top tier.
Brakes: I always prefer Shimano over Sram, but in this case I would be replacing either option for Saints/Zees most likely. I have used those on all my previous bikes, as well as my current enduro, and would want my brakes to be the same. I think Code RSC will resale for more than XT’s so I give the Team model the win here. I don’t care about rotors.
Fork: I have a 38 on my Enduro and love it, but do want to try the Zeb. I’d prefer the 38 just to have consistency between bikes, but not a deal breaker as I’m sure a Zeb is good as well.
Shock: Same exact comment as above. I have the float x2 and love i but I have no problem with a SD ultimate.
Drivetrain: I have both right now and they both work fine. I give the slight edge to Eagle just because I love the lockout button on the der. Also would be nice to only have 1 drivetrain brand to worry about.
Frame: I prefer Signature frame color a lot better. My two current bikes are black and white, I don’t really want a another black/white bike.
BrentD
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To what though? Bosch has the same issue, Specialized are not exactly known for their reliability, Yamaha have water ingress issues. What am I missing? Brose (non-Specialized variants), Rocky Mountain?
rb.
Active member
Commencal bike is already super heavy. I personally would not want to ride a 60lbs bike around. I do want to get 2 batteries though for my next ebike.
aklemm
New Member
I share the same concern. I'm second guessing purchasing the first production models of the EP8. Might be worth it to wait a few months to see if the Commencal reviews pick up the same rattling noise or to see if Shimano fixes or improves the rattling.
Rob's video at 6:51 has me worried. This would drive me nuts:
rb.
Active member
A friend talked with a US rep for Commencal and he said they aren’t taking orders because of a problem with the EP8 motors that may warrant a total recall.
That’s not exactly confidence inspiring. But at the end of the day, I would like my ebike to not sound like a bucket of bolts going down the trail.
That’s not exactly confidence inspiring. But at the end of the day, I would like my ebike to not sound like a bucket of bolts going down the trail.
gbarfoot
Active member
This review compares the clatter from e8000 ep8 and Bosch....doesn't seem too different to me. Starting around 2:30
I’m hoping my Merida EP8 was a bad Motor. I’m riding a load more EP8 bikes over the next few days. I’ll compare them all.
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