Bosch Gen 5 Rumour - More Power updates coming!
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Not going to lie, I could have done with slogging up Hartside today
PeterHenric
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You tease! Have you confirmed the wattage? Is it 750 or 1000?
bmwpowere36m3
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1250W per the photo...
36V system right? 36 V* 45 A = 1620W input, which would equate to 77% efficiency.
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That'd be 12,500 watts.
Either that photo is incorrect, or bosch really chose the nuclear option to deal with avinox
bmwpowere36m3
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That'd be 12,500 watts.
Either that photo is incorrect, or bosch really chose the nuclear option to deal with avinox
Right... duh, but 1250W would we on par with a 1620W input assuming the battery voltage is 36 and the amperage listed in accurate.
That would place it higher than the M1/M2... just under the M2S that Avinox claimed needed new batteries to sustain the high level of power.
For sure, hence why I think that cleaned up photo is incorrect. It probably is 1250.
12,500 would be fun !
I have a 14 pound rc heli that peaks at over 13,000 watts, it moves out rapidly. Battery is empty in about three minutes though.
There's no magical battery tech. Semi-solid state is actually what every cell currently is, it's just a marketing term at this point.
Molicell m60, m65's will be the next stop. Avinox's use of the 4680 spinoff is peculiar to say the least, as it wasn't the best option performance wise, but is likely much cheaper to manufacture.
trekRailIRL
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Ignore the AI photo, the original doesn't have the detail so it can't magically get the figures....
Enhance!!!!
Enhance!!!!
PeterHenric
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I heard 1000w at least in the states.
I can't believe it even needed to be said. People have gotten so fkin stupid and will believe anything they see without any critical thought. Does not bode well for the future.
scarl
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Soon a such a relative term - They keep teasing us, What the hold up?
I can say that somewhere I read that someone rode the Bosch updates and said it 'felt as powerful as the Avinox'.
That's not something I need or care about. However, it would indicate more than 750w.
Also, that's an incredibly vague source! LOL
That's not something I need or care about. However, it would indicate more than 750w.
Also, that's an incredibly vague source! LOL
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bmwpowere36m3
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In my mind, I thought the original was a leak but with some detail concealed/blurred on purpose... of course hiding the power figures Bosch has been crusading over lately. The AI version simply "un-blurring" the image
I guess I'm curious and impressed? how it came up with those numbers, because they could totally be plausible.
bmwpowere36m3
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Maybe off the line and at lower cadence they could provide similar torque... but the power will peter out quickly on the Bosch if capped at 750w. Interesting if it "feels" the same as Avinox, unless they still claim its 750W "peak", but in actuality their delivering more.
Or they flip-flop and claim 750W is nominal and not peak. I bet their working on ways to maintain their 750W stance and compete with Avinox.
120Nm would still provide full support with 750w cap at lower cadences, under 60 or so, and then start tapering off as the cadence picks up to about 90Nm at a cadence of 80.
I rode my ussasisted bike yesterday for the first time in ages. It was really hard work, I'd forgetten how slow they are on the climbs and how deep you have to dig to get up steep stuff. I still enjoyed the ride, and legs feel it this morning... The whole way through the ride, all I kept thinking was an ebike which doubles my power regardless of input and cadence, with a range of 4-5 hours is my perfect ebike, with a boost function for three times output for the odd section, or when I'm goosed at the end of the ride and 'one more run'.
100Nm and 750 last year, 120Nm and 1,250w (or whatever) this year, and then what, even more power next year?
Back in 1999, motorbikes manufacturers agreed to a gentleman's agreement to limit their bikes to 300kph, before the legislators took a decision for them. I think the same needs to happen here.
I rode my ussasisted bike yesterday for the first time in ages. It was really hard work, I'd forgetten how slow they are on the climbs and how deep you have to dig to get up steep stuff. I still enjoyed the ride, and legs feel it this morning... The whole way through the ride, all I kept thinking was an ebike which doubles my power regardless of input and cadence, with a range of 4-5 hours is my perfect ebike, with a boost function for three times output for the odd section, or when I'm goosed at the end of the ride and 'one more run'.
100Nm and 750 last year, 120Nm and 1,250w (or whatever) this year, and then what, even more power next year?
Back in 1999, motorbikes manufacturers agreed to a gentleman's agreement to limit their bikes to 300kph, before the legislators took a decision for them. I think the same needs to happen here.
I think that gentleman agreement is gone long time ago.
Lots of R bikes can today do 350 km/t and even more like Kawasaki Ninja H2R 400 km/t
It was just an example of where it’s happened before and I don’t think would be a bad thing. I realise it’s distant memory now… At the time, it felt to most of us luke a good idea.
You can’t help but wonder if the spotlight was on, and played a part in the introduction of graduated licensing, around 2012, as the gap between top and bottom was too big to ignore.
The classifications are mosty here already, how they get tightened and sustained and peak, or enforced on access, is the fear.
I sound like my dad. Not trying to.
trekRailIRL
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I did this also yesterday. Completely echo what you said. I don't remember it being that slow and tough. You soon get used to the assistance.
On the other side though, my times coming down the trails for analogue segments had all improved by about 10% compared with this time last year when I got the bike. I put that down to the amount of trail time the ebike gives me.
Going to try and ride both bikes more now.
"Everything was better in my days" as my grandmother repeatedly said and so do I todayIt was just an example of where it’s happened before and I don’t think would be a bad thing. I realise it’s distant memory now… At the time, it felt to most of us luke a good idea.
You can’t help but wonder if the spotlight was on, and played a part in the introduction of graduated licensing, around 2012, as the gap between top and bottom was too big to ignore.
The classifications are mosty here already, how they get tightened and sustained and peak, or enforced on access, is the fear.
I sound like my dad. Not trying to.
Today every company try to make as much money as they can and Amflow is selling like ice cream on a hot summer.
I love ice cream
Just remember that Avinox has a 8x multiplier while Bosch has 4x. Bosch will certainly be more "unnatural" when they release the next power update since the difference between what you think the motor will do and what it actually does will be amplified.
I believe the bosch 4x will become 6x. Obviously nothing 100% till its officially announced
Can you share at least what brings you to that belief? I have not found any shred of evidence which would indicate increase from 4x to 6x.
numerous leaks and videos covering the 120nm update mention 600% support will be coming as well. Also, there is no evidence of any of the update stats. Its all rumor till announced. Enough people are saying the same thing though (120nm) which includes the 600% support to say there is some truth to it
Xelius
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Naturalness isn’t about the multiplier; it’s about sensor logic. Avinox relies heavily on cadence, often feeling like a 'throttle at your feet.' Bosch is infinitely more connected to the rider because it’s strictly torque-driven, mirroring your leg pressure 1,000 times per second. Even with 900W, Bosch stays an extension of your body, not just a motor that spins when you do.
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