2027 Orbea Wild LT Released - Avinox Powered

[xeitto]

Orbea says that the motor power curve can be changed to match a standard Avinox bike. Has anyone tested or confirmed this yet?

yes, you can simply add a custom mode and configure everything to your liking.

 

[wik]

I imagine any custom modes you create would just default to the standard M2S response settings.

I'm not really sure, Rob mentioned that the rs tune is always on.
Have a look at post #191.

I imagine any custom modes you create would just default to the standard M2S response settings.

I'm not really sure, Rob mentioned that the rs tune is always on.
Have a look at post #131 , as well in the custom modes

 

[Brawwp]

The motor system has strong merits, but to behave as if the Avinox is meaningfully functionally better than the competitors outside of looks and above Class 1 power levels, is dishonest imo.
The Gen 5 already offers best in class efficiency, reliability, quietness, serviceability, feature laden, etc.

I'm piecing together commonly known facts and forming the obvious opinion. I don't derive ANY of my personal ego or security based on how strangers on the internet view my e-bike motor system

Idk bro. Seems like ego here but what do I know, I’m apparently dishonest.

 

[slickrock]

The market has already decided the answer to this.

Coulda / woulda / shoulda - doesnt matter - horse has bolted.

From a product marketing perspective, do you go after DJI now using their own strategy (power, size, slim battery, controller) now that they grabbed this kind of momentum? Especially now that Avinox has opened up their platform for customization (at least on the software front) and that we are starting to see what a fully integrated platform from them starts to look like? The Bosch platform is hermetically sealed; absolutely nothing about it allows a bike maker to change its personality.

Bosch does need to update their platform, but they are on the heels of a large motor design change from Gen 4 to 5. Whatever they do now should not involve changing motor mounts again. And what about Shimano? It's amazing that they seem to have left the theater, with the existing Rise the only bike that has (for now) kept the Shimano flame alive. It's just not healthy not having at least 3 strong competitors to choose from.

It's going to require a deep pocket competitor to commit to some powerful new tech for some kind of changeup. Maybe a compact TQ100 from left field or perhaps an effective motor-transmission unit to stir things up. It better happen soon as the cement is drying fast.

 

[JP22]

Also, influencers say Axinox is better power delivery (excluding Alex), then Orbea changes power delivery dramatically (5x more responsive!) to more closely mimic Bosch power delivery and suddenly influencers have been trying to get more response from the Avinox and THIS is now in fact better.

Just saying...

I find the Bosch too reactive, just spins the rear when starting on anything lose or steep so not necessarily a good thing. Needs the power controlled. I'd have to ride these bikes back to back to feel the difference in the tunes but I'm hoping Rob will do that for us!

 

[souknaysh]

I find the Bosch too reactive, just spins the rear when starting on anything lose or steep so not necessarily a good thing. Needs the power controlled. I'd have to ride these bikes back to back to feel the difference in the tunes but I'm hoping Rob will do that for us!

Just gotta adjust Dynamic to -2, pretty easy fix

 

[JP22]

I put together a quick geometry comparison of the Wild LT in L with a few bikes I currently ride and really like in terms of handling. My bikes are heavily modified though (e.g. a full 29er Kenevo and the Enduro converted to mullet with an MRP link), so keep that in mind. I also included the Atherton since it’s widely regarded as having excellent handling. The table is mainly relevant for anyone looking at the Wild LT in size M or L, but maybe some of you will still find it useful.

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Atherton front travel is 180

 

[Suns_PSD]

I find the Bosch too reactive, just spins the rear when starting on anything lose or steep so not necessarily a good thing. Needs the power controlled. I'd have to ride these bikes back to back to feel the difference in the tunes but I'm hoping Rob will do that for us!

I haven't had that experience but that could be tire, trail conditions, rear suspension, settings, or just preferences, etc. that contributes to our different experiences.

I'm not very picky honestly about the power delivery, the only thing is that I really dislike any overrun. In the end, I copied Alex's Bosch power modes exactly and I have been totally happy with the options. Maybe check that out.

 

[Inde_Si]

Orbea says that the motor power curve can be changed to match a standard Avinox bike. Has anyone tested or confirmed this yet?

Hey ! In the app you can just add custom non-RS mode.

 

[deanFBM]

I just took a mates zendit out with an m2s, I was quite surprised how unreactive it was, as soon as I let off the pedals to get over a step or root, took a couple of revolutions for the torque to cut in again, really killed the momentum.

 

[xtraman122]

From a product marketing perspective, do you go after DJI now using their own strategy (power, size, slim battery, controller) now that they grabbed this kind of momentum? Especially now that Avinox has opened up their platform for customization (at least on the software front) and that we are starting to see what a fully integrated platform from them starts to look like? The Bosch platform is hermetically sealed; absolutely nothing about it allows a bike maker to change its personality.

Bosch does need to update their platform, but they are on the heels of a large motor design change from Gen 4 to 5. Whatever they do now should not involve changing motor mounts again. And what about Shimano? It's amazing that they seem to have left the theater, with the existing Rise the only bike that has (for now) kept the Shimano flame alive. It's just not healthy not having at least 3 strong competitors to choose from.

It's going to require a deep pocket competitor to commit to some powerful new tech for some kind of changeup. Maybe a compact TQ100 from left field or perhaps an effective motor-transmission unit to stir things up. It better happen soon as the cement is drying fast.

TQ has the chance to become that 3rd big contender assuming Shimano has given up. If they make a full power or near full power (What used to be full power anyway) motor in the 90-100Nm range and can keep their small profile motor with a nice slim battery I honestly see them stealing a good chunk of Bosch’s business. For anyone not obsessed with having the biggest total wattage numbers they could emerge as the more refined/natural/silent/“barely know it’s there” option with a decent sized battery that has all the same aesthetics of Avinox.

 

[Suns_PSD]

TQ has the chance to become that 3rd big contender assuming Shimano has given up. If they make a full power or near full power (What used to be full power anyway) motor in the 90-100Nm range and can keep their small profile motor with a nice slim battery I honestly see them stealing a good chunk of Bosch’s business. For anyone not obsessed with having the biggest total wattage numbers they could emerge as the more refined/natural/silent/“barely know it’s there” option with a decent sized battery that has all the same aesthetics of Avinox.

I really like what they have going on with their TQ60. That and the Maxon, geared towards ultimate efficiency, anything north of 85 NM is just icing on the cake, super easy pedaling when turned off (technically this would be required to have high efficiency) and a true 600 ish usable wh battery, really strikes me as the sweet spot for e-bikes for my particular use case. Also, it's got to have the bash guard tabs built in the cases for gosh sakes.

Could get us very low 40#s for trail builds on F36, and mid 40#s on proper enduro bike builds. Basically, the place we all seemed to want to be just a few short years ago. Although e-bikes are currently very good, I think that they are still evolving.

 

[Suns_PSD]

I just took a mates zendit out with an m2s, I was quite surprised how unreactive it was, as soon as I let off the pedals to get over a step or root, took a couple of revolutions for the torque to cut in again, really killed the momentum.

That's what I've heard described as well, but from a minority of people/ reviewers.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Powerslider]

Hey ! In the app you can just add custom non-RS mode.

My understanding is you always have the RS tune, even if/when you create a custom profile.

 

[xtraman122]

My understanding is you always have the RS tune, even if/when you create a custom profile.

Yeah the way they claimed it was “low level” changes directly in the firmware completely contradicts you being able to just turn it off with the user adjustable settings unless they differentiate user created modes from built in ones and change those settings where you can’t see/control them when switching between modes.

 

[emtbeast]

Interesting development in the e-mtb world. Bosch dropping out of Eurobike, wonder what's cooking there. I still think we the emtb crowd are just a few buckets of water in the whole ebike pool where Bosch has a huge share. I am sure Bosch has the know how and the resources to create a competitive product...connecting the dots I bet everyone remembers that when the CX 5(gen 5) was released it was clearly said by Bosch that this actually is not a 5th generation motor, but only an evolution/upgrade of the 4th generation. Everyone adopted the gen 5 term because it was easier to present etc...we the people took that for granted and forgot about the actual state. I wonder if Bosch didn't just take their time and not rush into it with a flawed product and are so keeping the current stuff behind closed doors. We will see, I guess...
Talking Shimano, no suprise there, they were/are always secretive and realy take their time with all of their products untill everyone has already singned them off, pretty sure there is someting cooking in their pot also.
What I find cool about the Avinox package is the integration, user friendlines and usefull stuff like chain protection etc...The power figures are cool until you run out of battery(I have a big mountain at my back door), so for my case would have to dial it down anyway.
Now what I am expecting with interest is a slightly larger TQ(wonder if they are working on something)? Say up to cca 80Nm Max normal mode(100Nm in short Boost mode) with cca 600W Peak paired with a cca 700Wh battery pack. Put all this on a mid travel 160/150 trail oriented carbon frame, closing the overall bike weight at cca 20kg ride ready...take my .
Orbea Wild Avinox LT...looks like a real good package overall. The only gripe for some people would be the fixed battery I guess. I wonder if there could be a mid travel Wild Trail variant with the FP700 battery in the works? Interesting times...

 

[Powerslider]

Yeah the way they claimed it was “low level” changes directly in the firmware completely contradicts you being able to just turn it off with the user adjustable settings unless they differentiate user created modes from built in ones and change those settings where you can’t see/control them when switching between modes.

I'll say it again-My understanding is Orbea's Avinox ALWAYS has the RS tune; even if/when you create a user profile. There isn't any way to "turn off" the RS tuning.

 

[xtraman122]

I'll say it again-My understanding is Orbea's Avinox ALWAYS has the RS tune; even if/when you create a user profile. There isn't any way to "turn off" the RS tuning.

I agree, you wouldn’t go calling it a whole new “RS” motor if it the RS part just got removed from someone making a change in the app.

 

[Highland Wheels]

That's what I've heard described as well, but from a minority of people/ reviewers.

Thanks for the feedback.

Theres too many variables and settings to play with. You can have it set up to be super responsive with all the fast start etc stuff enabled.

 

[James_MTB]

Anyone with an M10\M20, how does the remote cable route on the left side? Does it go through the bars?

I've ordered an M10 and plan to change the bars and stem.