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Yes. That article explains it quite well and includes the affect of the height of the lower cup, IE net reach change isn't much, slacker HA, with the biggest impact actually being to stack.Review: Works Components Reach Adjust Headset
The Works Components Reach Adjust Headset gives you the ability to take your bike’s fit from slightly off to just right. Read the Review Here
About 10mm decrease in reach according to The Loam Wolf
The acros reach adjust headset looks more promising to me acros ZS56/28,6 + ZS56/30 Reach Adjust Headset 5mm especially at Orbea uses the Acros in the standard spec.
Good find. Never seen that one, that looks like zero stack increase, or minimal stack increase compared to Works Components.
Forbidden Dreadnought E S2 size is 445 reach.
Orbea's blue paper manual for the Rise is superb - it lists every bolt and gives you the hex/torx size, whether to use grease or thread lock and what it should be torqued to. Diagrams give you a break down of how the parts go together. Really good.
acros ZS56/28,6 + ZS66/40 Reach Adjust Headset 5mm that should fit, shouldn't it?
No you need ZS56/ZS56, bottom cup won't fit. 56 is the internal diameter of the head tube on the Mondy.
) and it may just be optics, but I can't see from the photos below how the Avinox motor is actually any better for positioning the main pivot where it is on the new bike.There may be some merit to the idea that the pivot can be moved lower down on the Avinox motor, my rudimentary lines below show there would appear to be a lower crank position relative to the motor mounts.In the interviews I've seen with the Orbea designers they say that they moved from the Bosch CX motor to the Avinox because the smaller form factor of the Avinox allowed them to place the chain stay main pivot lower down in order to achieve the anti-squat they were looking for. But when you compare the two motors side by side I find it hard to see how this statement makes sense. Looking at the images below it would actually seem to me that there is more motor intrusion into the space where the main pivot is placed immediately behind/above the crank axle with the Avinox motor compared to the Bosch.
I almost hesitate to post these musings because I'm genuinely not wanting to start some kind of conspiracy theory here (I will leave that to the usual suspects on the forum
Now add in the fact that they have - in my view rightly and courageously - chosen to decline the crazy power on tap from the Avinox and create a custom tune with characteristics that are not so different from the updated Bosch (both 750W power and 130 versus 120Nm torque) and it makes me wonder if they couldn't simply have created an "RS tune" with the Bosch motor. Clearly it must have been a commercially delicate decision to move away from their partnership with Bosch for their new bike, so there must be a good reason for the move. Maybe it really is about the pivot placement, or maybe Bosch weren't prepared to open up their firmware for a custom tune?
Ironically, whatever the reason, by choosing to use the Avinox motor with their RS tune they have created a conundrum for both Avinox fans and loyal Boschists alike. The fanboys will wail and gnash their teeth that the full 1300W isn't on tap by default (although they can create their own custom full power modes) and the Bosch lovers will wonder if they just have to move to the darkside because they really like the bicycle itself.
I personally really admire what Orbea have done with this bike and also with the Rallon RS, and I have nothing against the Avinox motors. Both Orbea and Avinox are pushing the envelope of eMTBs and that has to be a good thing. But as a European consumer I would prefer to give my economic support to a Spanish bicycle company using a German motor. As such I would have loved to see this bike launched with an RS tuned Bosch motor.
Having said all that, I'm still drooling over what a great bike this is with the Avinox RS! Chapeau Orbea!
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It’s truly genius marketing what they’ve done. The Avinox haters are all a little Noxcurious. They’ve been in denial stage the past couple years, but you can see on this very thread some of them considering the switch just due to a fake 750w cap.
In the interviews I've seen with the Orbea designers they say that they moved from the Bosch CX motor to the Avinox because the smaller form factor of the Avinox allowed them to place the chain stay main pivot lower down in order to achieve the anti-squat they were looking for. But when you compare the two motors side by side I find it hard to see how this statement makes sense. Looking at the images below it would actually seem to me that there is more motor intrusion into the space where the main pivot is placed immediately behind/above the crank axle with the Avinox motor compared to the Bosch.
I almost hesitate to post these musings because I'm genuinely not wanting to start some kind of conspiracy theory here (I will leave that to the usual suspects on the forum
Now add in the fact that they have - in my view rightly and courageously - chosen to decline the crazy power on tap from the Avinox and create a custom tune with characteristics that are not so different from the updated Bosch (both 750W power and 130 versus 120Nm torque) and it makes me wonder if they couldn't simply have created an "RS tune" with the Bosch motor. Clearly it must have been a commercially delicate decision to move away from their partnership with Bosch for their new bike, so there must be a good reason for the move. Maybe it really is about the pivot placement, or maybe Bosch weren't prepared to open up their firmware for a custom tune?
Ironically, whatever the reason, by choosing to use the Avinox motor with their RS tune they have created a conundrum for both Avinox fans and loyal Boschists alike. The fanboys will wail and gnash their teeth that the full 1300W isn't on tap by default (although they can create their own custom full power modes) and the Bosch lovers will wonder if they just have to move to the darkside because they really like the bicycle itself.
I personally really admire what Orbea have done with this bike and also with the Rallon RS, and I have nothing against the Avinox motors. Both Orbea and Avinox are pushing the envelope of eMTBs and that has to be a good thing. But as a European consumer I would prefer to give my economic support to a Spanish bicycle company using a German motor. As such I would have loved to see this bike launched with an RS tuned Bosch motor.
Having said all that, I'm still drooling over what a great bike this is with the Avinox RS! Chapeau Orbea!
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Has there been any rumors at all about what Bosch, and spesh have been up to? Im hoping Bosch doesn’t have a 5 yr gap to the gen 6. There’s gotta be something new and exciting coming soon that isn’t Avinox. I mean it’s nice seeing Avinox carving out their share right now but I do want to see how the other guys respond vs just power updates. I’m hoping the next spesh and Bosch motors are going to be insane (not just power but hopefully light/small/features and on par with at least m1 power).Reasons for going Avinox: market demand.
Reasons for saying Avinox unlocked the perfect pivot location: lovely bit of marketing narrative
Maybe it really does offer the perfect pivot location vs bosch, but if the motor was out of favour, no chance their moving to it.
Ultimate Goal=sell many bikes.
I dont have any data at all, only anecdotal, and what I see and hear. But I'd estimate its hugely in favour of Avinox over any other motor system at the moment on mid to high end.
I suspect there's a marketing element in the RS tune. Makes their bike stand out from the rest.Reasons for going Avinox: market demand.
Reasons for saying Avinox unlocked the perfect pivot location: lovely bit of marketing narrative
Maybe it really does offer the perfect pivot location vs bosch, but if the motor was out of favour, no chance they're moving to it.
Ultimate Goal=sell many bikes.
No.
It’s somewhat surprising that some manufacturers managed to maintain a cachet for so long given Horst link suspension arrived in 1985 (and the patents expired in 2014), most frames are made in the same few factories in Taiwan, and so much of the value of a bike comes from Fox/Shimano/Sram and not the name in the down tube.
