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Frame what?Frame
Ok i see. But why/how would px frame be 1100 more expensive than pr with additional complexity over the removeable battery?He said "two bikes have identical components except the battery" although the bikes also have different frames ... and frame is usually the most expensive component of the bike and can easily outprice other components ...
Yes, it is not justified better frame, hardware or components - thats why my point.There are not many full power ebikes with such a slim downtube as PX, so you think they can't charge more for PX frame even though it may cost them less to produce it? Well, you are wrong ... I believe each bike will sell like a hot cake (PR for good price point, and PX for being so damn slim) so they can charge as much as market will be willing to pay for it ...
Not everyone is chasing capacity though, plenty of people would prefer dropping a little weight and having better looks if they simply never use the capacity of the 800Wh, which I suspect is a much larger proportion of the customer base than we see here. The average Joe doing leisurely rides for 60-90 minutes is probably never using more than about 400-500Wh or so, even on turbo all the time. I know there are lots of people who do much longer rides, but the fact that Bosch has the majority of their bike companies selling just the 600Wh platform is pretty telling. The 700 is a good sweet spot for a lot of people.Ok i see. But why/how would px frame be 1100 more expensive than pr with additional complexity over the removeable battery?
Perhaps they invested in the new 700wh battery but from consumer perspective it is more pricey for less whs.
To someone who prefer the looks of the bike, PX frame is much better.Yes, it is not justified better frame, hardware or components - thats why my point.
I think he was just trying to figure out why it's more expensive, his assumption was that it would be components.the OP was about justifying the higher price based on components which suggested manufacturing costs comparisons angle.
You two are talking about other aspects, which are a bit off-topic IMHO.
| Component / Feature | Amflow PX Carbon Pro | Amflow PR Carbon Pro |
| Fork | FOX 36 Factory (Grip X2 Damper, Kashima) | FOX 36 Performance (Grip Damper, Black Stanchions) |
| Rear Shock | FOX Float X Factory (Kashima) | FOX Float X Performance |
| Drivetrain | SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type) | SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type) |
| Brakes | Magura Gustav Pro (Next-gen heavy-duty eMTB) | Magura Gustav Pro |
| Wheelset | Premium Lightweight Carbon Wheels | Robust Alloy Trail Wheels |
| Cockpit | Integrated Carbon Handlebars/Stem | Standard Alloy Bar & Stem |
Quick AI question - price difference seems to be mainly on components. And the PX Pro has an additional years warranty on frame & motor, SIM card, upgraded tubeless valves & frame-wrap.
Component / Feature Amflow PX Carbon Pro Amflow PR Carbon Pro Fork FOX 36 Factory (Grip X2 Damper, Kashima) FOX 36 Performance (Grip Damper, Black Stanchions) Rear Shock FOX Float X Factory (Kashima) FOX Float X Performance Drivetrain SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type) SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type) Brakes Magura Gustav Pro (Next-gen heavy-duty eMTB) Magura Gustav Pro Wheelset Premium Lightweight Carbon Wheels Robust Alloy Trail Wheels Cockpit Integrated Carbon Handlebars/Stem Standard Alloy Bar & Stem
I believe they were comparing the PR Pro to the base PX, not the PX Pro based on the cited price difference.Quick AI question - price difference seems to be mainly on components. And the PX Pro has an additional years warranty on frame & motor, SIM card, upgraded tubeless valves & frame-wrap.
Component / Feature Amflow PX Carbon Pro Amflow PR Carbon Pro Fork FOX 36 Factory (Grip X2 Damper, Kashima) FOX 36 Performance (Grip Damper, Black Stanchions) Rear Shock FOX Float X Factory (Kashima) FOX Float X Performance Drivetrain SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type) SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type) Brakes Magura Gustav Pro (Next-gen heavy-duty eMTB) Magura Gustav Pro Wheelset Premium Lightweight Carbon Wheels Robust Alloy Trail Wheels Cockpit Integrated Carbon Handlebars/Stem Standard Alloy Bar & Stem
Correct. And yes the frames are different but is the PX frame really £1100 more complicated to produce?I believe they were comparing the PR Pro to the base PX, not the PX Pro based on the cited price difference.
It's not about complicated to manufacture. It's about aesthetics and weight. You're paying more because the bike is slimmer, lighter and on paper can deliver the higher power levels for longer, so it's technically more advanced - real world the technology difference will make zero difference to most people.Correct. And yes the frames are different but is the PX frame really £1100 more complicated to produce?
The battery itself may also cost them more money to produce, with them being some special kind of new cell, I’m sure the unit economics aren’t as good as they are on the 21700’s in the other packs that they’ve been mass producing for over a year now.Correct. And yes the frames are different but is the PX frame really £1100 more complicated to produce?
PR Pro has the 12A charger…I think.Doesn't the PX come with the 12A fast charger and the PR the normal 4A charger? That's a couple hundred quid difference?
