Why is PX £1100 more than PR Pro?

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Looking at the specs, the two bikes have identical components except the more expensive PX has a smaller battery so why the big difference?
What am I missing?
 
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i was wondering the same and still haven't found the answer :) Paying more for smaller battery that is non removable. The win on Px is around 2kg, but not sure it has been officially confirmed?
The bike shop weighted PX Carbon and it came at 21.8kg without pedals for L size.
 
He said "two bikes have identical components except the battery" although the bikes also have different frames ... and frame is usually the most expensive component of the bike and can easily outprice other components ...
 
salko said:
He said "two bikes have identical components except the battery" although the bikes also have different frames ... and frame is usually the most expensive component of the bike and can easily outprice other components ...
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Ok i see. But why/how would px frame be 1100 more expensive than pr with additional complexity over the removeable battery?

Perhaps they invested in the new 700wh battery but from consumer perspective it is more pricey for less whs.
 
There are very few full power ebikes with such a slim downtube as PX has and to have 1500w/150Nm motor, so you think they can't charge more for PX frames even though it may cost them less to produce it? Well, you are wrong ... I believe each bike will sell like a hot cake (PR for good price point, and PX for being so damn slim + more power) so they can charge as much as market will be willing to pay for it ...
 
salko said:
There are not many full power ebikes with such a slim downtube as PX, so you think they can't charge more for PX frame even though it may cost them less to produce it? Well, you are wrong ... I believe each bike will sell like a hot cake (PR for good price point, and PX for being so damn slim) so they can charge as much as market will be willing to pay for it ...
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Yes, it is not justified better frame, hardware or components - thats why my point.
 
Wojtek said:
Ok i see. But why/how would px frame be 1100 more expensive than pr with additional complexity over the removeable battery?

Perhaps they invested in the new 700wh battery but from consumer perspective it is more pricey for less whs.
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Not everyone is chasing capacity though, plenty of people would prefer dropping a little weight and having better looks if they simply never use the capacity of the 800Wh, which I suspect is a much larger proportion of the customer base than we see here. The average Joe doing leisurely rides for 60-90 minutes is probably never using more than about 400-500Wh or so, even on turbo all the time. I know there are lots of people who do much longer rides, but the fact that Bosch has the majority of their bike companies selling just the 600Wh platform is pretty telling. The 700 is a good sweet spot for a lot of people.
 
the OP was about justifying the higher price based on components which suggested manufacturing costs comparisons angle.
You two are talking about other aspects, which are a bit off-topic IMHO.
 
Wojtek said:
the OP was about justifying the higher price based on components which suggested manufacturing costs comparisons angle.
You two are talking about other aspects, which are a bit off-topic IMHO.
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I think he was just trying to figure out why it's more expensive, his assumption was that it would be components.
 
Quick AI question - price difference seems to be mainly on components. And the PX Pro has an additional years warranty on frame & motor, SIM card, upgraded tubeless valves & frame-wrap.

Component / FeatureAmflow PX Carbon ProAmflow PR Carbon Pro
ForkFOX 36 Factory (Grip X2 Damper, Kashima)FOX 36 Performance (Grip Damper, Black Stanchions)
Rear ShockFOX Float X Factory (Kashima)FOX Float X Performance
DrivetrainSRAM X0 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type)SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type)
BrakesMagura Gustav Pro (Next-gen heavy-duty eMTB)Magura Gustav Pro
WheelsetPremium Lightweight Carbon WheelsRobust Alloy Trail Wheels
CockpitIntegrated Carbon Handlebars/StemStandard Alloy Bar & Stem
 
Maxi said:
Quick AI question - price difference seems to be mainly on components. And the PX Pro has an additional years warranty on frame & motor, SIM card, upgraded tubeless valves & frame-wrap.

Component / FeatureAmflow PX Carbon ProAmflow PR Carbon Pro
ForkFOX 36 Factory (Grip X2 Damper, Kashima)FOX 36 Performance (Grip Damper, Black Stanchions)
Rear ShockFOX Float X Factory (Kashima)FOX Float X Performance
DrivetrainSRAM X0 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type)SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type)
BrakesMagura Gustav Pro (Next-gen heavy-duty eMTB)Magura Gustav Pro
WheelsetPremium Lightweight Carbon WheelsRobust Alloy Trail Wheels
CockpitIntegrated Carbon Handlebars/StemStandard Alloy Bar & Stem
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Wrong bike. You need to do PX Carbon vs PR Carbon Pro
 
Maxi said:
Quick AI question - price difference seems to be mainly on components. And the PX Pro has an additional years warranty on frame & motor, SIM card, upgraded tubeless valves & frame-wrap.


Component / FeatureAmflow PX Carbon ProAmflow PR Carbon Pro
ForkFOX 36 Factory (Grip X2 Damper, Kashima)FOX 36 Performance (Grip Damper, Black Stanchions)
Rear ShockFOX Float X Factory (Kashima)FOX Float X Performance
DrivetrainSRAM X0 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type)SRAM S1000 Eagle Transmission (Wireless T-Type)
BrakesMagura Gustav Pro (Next-gen heavy-duty eMTB)Magura Gustav Pro
WheelsetPremium Lightweight Carbon WheelsRobust Alloy Trail Wheels
CockpitIntegrated Carbon Handlebars/StemStandard Alloy Bar & Stem
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I believe they were comparing the PR Pro to the base PX, not the PX Pro based on the cited price difference.
 
Amflow can price it how they like they don't need to justify anything. If they think that a simmer downtube and slightly more power is worth another €1,000 that's their choice. The market can decide if the price they have set is acceptable.
 
billium said:
Correct. And yes the frames are different but is the PX frame really £1100 more complicated to produce?
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It's not about complicated to manufacture. It's about aesthetics and weight. You're paying more because the bike is slimmer, lighter and on paper can deliver the higher power levels for longer, so it's technically more advanced - real world the technology difference will make zero difference to most people.

That's not going to be what everyone wants, but for those that do and are willing to pay more for it, then they'll buy that bike.

For everyone asking the question, clearly it's not the bike for you.
 
billium said:
Correct. And yes the frames are different but is the PX frame really £1100 more complicated to produce?
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The battery itself may also cost them more money to produce, with them being some special kind of new cell, I’m sure the unit economics aren’t as good as they are on the 21700’s in the other packs that they’ve been mass producing for over a year now.
 
Just because both utilize carbon frames doesn't mean their construction is the same. In theory, the PX could have a more complex and sophisticated layup that is more time consuming to produce. Look at golf; aftermarket driver shafts can be <$100, or they can be >$500, yet they're both composite and look identical. They don't act identically though.

Upgraded my head to a GT3 since I created this but you get the idea...

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