Durrti
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Velduro sent a tool with the frame.
Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI
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ah, perfect, no worries for me then. Thanks.
But that was really the last thing I needed to sort out before my frame arrives. All necessary parts for the build are either old ones I have or were bought over the last weeks from various used part sources on the web and are already here. Everything I will buy new is selected and sits in the shopping cart of my favorite shop and will be ordered when the delivery date of the frame is only a couple days out. No need to have stuff laying around here and waste time of the warranty.
But now I have nothing more to do. On top of that I got the info yesterday that the second shipping container going to Germany (I was too late to get a frame out of the first one) is likely going to be delayed by a few weeks until mid of May. That is almost four month from now! What am I going to do?
In my desperation I have started to look for titanium screws to replace steel screws on the parts that I already have. That's not going to make one bit of a difference for the performance of the bike, but, well, it had me occupied for a while. But I found a replacement for every screw where it only remotely makes sense to replace the old one and ordered them. Now what?
You all need to make way more posts. Preferably with pictures. Lots of them. And video. Keep me entertained
But that was really the last thing I needed to sort out before my frame arrives. All necessary parts for the build are either old ones I have or were bought over the last weeks from various used part sources on the web and are already here. Everything I will buy new is selected and sits in the shopping cart of my favorite shop and will be ordered when the delivery date of the frame is only a couple days out. No need to have stuff laying around here and waste time of the warranty.
But now I have nothing more to do. On top of that I got the info yesterday that the second shipping container going to Germany (I was too late to get a frame out of the first one) is likely going to be delayed by a few weeks until mid of May. That is almost four month from now! What am I going to do?
In my desperation I have started to look for titanium screws to replace steel screws on the parts that I already have. That's not going to make one bit of a difference for the performance of the bike, but, well, it had me occupied for a while. But I found a replacement for every screw where it only remotely makes sense to replace the old one and ordered them. Now what?
You all need to make way more posts. Preferably with pictures. Lots of them. And video. Keep me entertained
One of the advantages of buying a frameset instead of a complete e-bike is that you can customize the build to your liking.ah, perfect, no worries for me then. Thanks.
But that was really the last thing I needed to sort out before my frame arrives. All necessary parts for the build are either old ones I have or were bought over the last weeks from various used part sources on the web and are already here. Everything I will buy new is selected and sits in the shopping cart of my favorite shop and will be ordered when the delivery date of the frame is only a couple days out. No need to have stuff laying around here and waste time of the warranty.
But now I have nothing more to do. On top of that I got the info yesterday that the second shipping container going to Germany (I was too late to get a frame out of the first one) is likely going to be delayed by a few weeks until mid of May. That is almost four month from now! What am I going to do?
In my desperation I have started to look for titanium screws to replace steel screws on the parts that I already have. That's not going to make one bit of a difference for the performance of the bike, but, well, it had me occupied for a while. But I found a replacement for every screw where it only remotely makes sense to replace the old one and ordered them. Now what?
You all need to make way more posts. Preferably with pictures. Lots of them. And video. Keep me entertained
In my case, I've bought Di2 brakes and shifters, an XTR cassette, and a TTX22 air shock for the lightest possible setup.
Could you provide information about which titanium bolts you're looking for? I'd like to follow your advice and try to reduce the weight even further. Thanks.
Mikects
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They didnt with me - had to buy one - about $45 from a LBS.
sethimus
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which standard do they use?
Durrti
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Just found this.
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Yes, exactly. That's one of the main reasons I ended up with the Velduro.
Don't do it for the weight saving. Or rather, don't expect it to make any perceivable difference. With titanium bolts you are on the very bad end of the law of diminishing returns. I would say its somewhere between 99 and 99.9 % fetishistic behavior, with the 1 to 0.1% being the actual performance increase.
With that being said, I am not ashamed of doing it anyway
I can have matching colors, that's probably the most noticeable thing.So, what is going to be changed.
- Bolts for the brake discs (in the back 1 mm longer, because of the avinox sensor disc)
- bolts for the brake calipers (front and back), including titanium washer on top and aluminum 3 mm spacer on the bottom (discs are 203 mm)
- for the brake levers (dominion hayes):
- clamp to handlebar (2 each)
- lever bearing bolts (2 each)
- oil reservoir cover (2 each)
- bleed port (2 each) The levers are symmetric, no difference between left and right, so there is one on the top and one on the bottom. When you flip it one is always up. Didn't find a titanium grub screw, so opted for brass to at least get the golden color.
- the hollow bolt that is pushing the olive into the shiftlever, no idea what the correct word is. I am going to leave the rubber cover off to show the nice golden color, and save even more weight
- all 6 bolts of the stem
- the bolts for fixing the grips
- one bolt for the axs pod infinity clamp
- on the dropper remote one screw to fix the cable and one to attach to the clamp (which at the same time closes the clamp)
- pulley bolts of the derailleur
Disassembling all the bolts, measuring them and sourcing the new ones takes an unreasonable amounts of time. Do it only if you are having fun doing it. Otherwise you are going to be disappointed.
Sí, exactamente. Esa es una de las principales razones por las que me decidí por el Velduro.
No lo hagas por ahorrar peso. O mejor dicho, no esperes que haya una diferencia perceptible. Con los tornillos de titanio, te encuentras en el extremo más negativo de la ley de rendimientos decrecientes. Diría que se trata de un comportamiento fetichista entre el 99 % y el 99,9 %, siendo ese 1 % al 0,1 % el aumento real del rendimiento.
Dicho esto, no me avergüenzo de hacerlo de todos modos,
Entonces, ¿qué es lo que se va a cambiar?
Eso es todo por ahora. En cuanto llegue el cuadro, veré qué hago. Terminar la construcción y probablemente salir a montar. Una vez que se acaba la espera y ya no tengo que compensar, la motivación para este fetiche suele bajar mucho. En lugar de eso, me voy al bosque. Pero si llevo la bicicleta, la abrazadera del sillín es una buena opción, los tornillos para el portabidón (aunque serán de aluminio, o de nailon si consigo no llevar la combinación de colores), el soporte para herramientas y la fijación de la batería. A ver qué más encuentro.
- Tornillos para los discos de freno (en la parte trasera 1 mm más largos, debido al disco del sensor avinox)
- Tornillos para las pinzas de freno (delanteras y traseras), incluida arandela de titanio en la parte superior y espaciador de aluminio de 3 mm en la parte inferior (los discos son de 203 mm)
- Para las palancas de freno (Dominio Hayes):
- Abrazadera para manillar (2 de cada una)
- pernos de cojinete de palanca (2 de cada uno)
- tapa del depósito de aceite (2 de cada una)
- Puerto de purga (2 de cada uno). Las palancas son simétricas, sin diferencia entre la izquierda y la derecha, por lo que hay una arriba y otra abajo. Al girarla, una siempre está hacia arriba. No encontré un tornillo prisionero de titanio, así que opté por uno de latón para al menos conseguir el color dorado.
- El perno hueco que empuja la oliva hacia la palanca de cambios... no tengo ni idea de cuál es la palabra correcta. Voy a quitar la cubierta de goma para que se vea el bonito color dorado y ahorrar aún más peso.
- los 6 tornillos del vástago
- los tornillos para fijar las empuñaduras
- Un perno para la abrazadera infinita del pod del eje
- en el control remoto del gotero un tornillo para fijar el cable y otro para sujetarlo a la abrazadera (que al mismo tiempo cierra la abrazadera)
- pernos de la polea del descarrilador
Desmontar todos los tornillos, medirlos y conseguir los nuevos lleva muchísimo tiempo. Hazlo solo si te diviertes. De lo contrario, te decepcionarás.
I'm as anxious as you are, waiting for the frame to arrive in April or May.
I don't think the weight reduction from the titanium bolts will be significant... but every little helps.
I have managed, or at least I think I have, to shave a kilo off the bike's weight with the following:
Shark rotors
XTR M9220 brakes
XTR 9-45 cassette
XTR Di2 GS shifters
Carbon wheels
Ohlins TTX22 Air shocks
According to my calculations, the Velduro Rogue in XL will weigh around 23.6 kg.
I don't think the weight reduction from the titanium bolts will be significant... but every little helps.
I have managed, or at least I think I have, to shave a kilo off the bike's weight with the following:
Shark rotors
XTR M9220 brakes
XTR 9-45 cassette
XTR Di2 GS shifters
Carbon wheels
Ohlins TTX22 Air shocks
According to my calculations, the Velduro Rogue in XL will weigh around 23.6 kg.
Mikects
Active member
The Avinox standard..... its around 52mm in diameter but I think it may be a bespoke tool. I didnt find any non Avinox compatible alternatives though others are making them now.
Mikects
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Anyone know why the 12a charger is $449 in OZ but $790 here in NZ?
Tasman Tax.
Dr Shreds
New Member
I saw some people have bought fast chargers from Outset bikes and I believe they only paid $590. Would pay to give them a call.
Alex NZ
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Yeah I just bought my 12a fast charger from outset for much cheaper, I don’t know why the velduroNZ procured ones are so expensive? Also just weighed my velduro build and was 23.7kg in large with pedals on
currently fox float x2 (ext aria is getting warrantied and i think is lighter?) and marzochhi super z, carbon rims, galfer 203mm rotors, axs dropper, downhill rear, trail front radial magic Mary.
GeordieDownSouth
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For those who already have their bikes, i want to hear from two camps if possible.
1) Fox Float X2
Have you at any point thought the X2 was not enough?
2) EXT E-Storia
Is this thing worth double the price of the X2 and does it add the cherry on the top to help me part with my cash.
I ask as i only just found out today that i’m mistaken and my Ohlins TTX M2 is a 210 x 55 and not a 205 x 65….
1) Fox Float X2
Have you at any point thought the X2 was not enough?
2) EXT E-Storia
Is this thing worth double the price of the X2 and does it add the cherry on the top to help me part with my cash.
I ask as i only just found out today that i’m mistaken and my Ohlins TTX M2 is a 210 x 55 and not a 205 x 65….
If you buy from ace cycles in Guildford the e-storia is only an extra £700.
GeordieDownSouth
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Thanks for info but it’s already on order
So was mine. Velduro moved my order to ace.
GeordieDownSouth
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I’ve been on the Ace Website and there’s a lot of website that doesn’t work, I’d assumed they’d gone under or something, i’ll give them a ring
Responsive on instagram. They said speak to velduro to move the order over to take advantage of the bundle deal. Ben moved my order without hassle.
Was a no brainer for me as i was going to buy an e-storia anyway. Saved about £350.
Plus its closer to collect.
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GeordieDownSouth
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Do you know who they source the shock from as it’s a custom tuned shock to bike and rider isn’t it?
They are buddies with jack at mojo. Dunno if its custom tuned, i did call them to talk about it, can't remember though. The e-storia has a much wider range of adjustments vs their other shocks.
Durrti
Active member
Started with the x2 and it was good in the STD position, but still a little progressive for me.
Running the EXT E-Storia and it’s magical on this bike. But I’ve found EXT to be the best on both my wild and Pole. Love the way it feels and seems to compliment this frame geo really well.
Durrti
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And EXT’s service is the best I’ve ever dealt with. While getting the E-Storia dialed for this thing I sent an email to ext for settings suggestions, they called and went through all the geo and kinematics from the Velduro site. Incredible knowledge and team at EXT
worth the money in my opinion.
This bike has > 25% progression. The correct choice is a linear coil spring. Don't even use a Springdex as they are also progressive.
The other reality is that shocks take a lot of abuse, especially on a heavy hitting >50# e-bike. Coil is just a more reliable choice for the shock. Also don't have to adjust air pressure for changing altitude.
What size rotors is my next dilema?
I have hope tech 4 E4's on my enduro with 200mm hope floating rotors and intend to get Hope tech4 EVO GR4's for the Rogue with Galfer shark rotors - but stay 200 or go up to 223? I'm 90kg kitted and generally ride hard and fast on short and steep natural/hand built (rarely bike park) trails.
I have hope tech 4 E4's on my enduro with 200mm hope floating rotors and intend to get Hope tech4 EVO GR4's for the Rogue with Galfer shark rotors - but stay 200 or go up to 223? I'm 90kg kitted and generally ride hard and fast on short and steep natural/hand built (rarely bike park) trails.
ebikerider
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There's this thing called google....
Yeah I'm being smart arse but there literally thousands of pictures to choose from.
That is true, you are being a smartass. I wanna see a Velduro and a Gen 3 side by side
iJak
Member
I would for sure go up to 220/223 Front at least. Rear being 200 is fine imo.
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