Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

One question I can't answer myself: why are we limited to a 34 tooth front chainring? I would like to run 36.
As far as I know there is generally two reasons for a limit like this: collision and influence on the suspension kinematics. I don't see any potential collision. The idler is far enough away, isn't it? And the kinematic is not influenced either, since the chain is running over the idler and that stays where it is. What am I missing?
Maybe one of the lucky ones who already have theirs can take a look if there is anything a larger chainring might hit.
 
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I believe the larger chain ring would contact the idler
HiGer said:
One question I can't answer myself: why are we limited to a 34 tooth front chainring? I would like to run 36.
As far as I know there is generally two reasons for a limit like this: collision and influence on the suspension kinematics. I don't see any potential collision. The idler is far enough away, isn't it? And the kinematic is not influenced either, since the chain is running over the idler and that stays where it is. What am I missing?
Maybe one of the lucky ones who already have theirs can take a look if there is anything a larger chainring might hit.
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HiGer said:
One question I can't answer myself: why are we limited to a 34 tooth front chainring? I would like to run 36.
As far as I know there is generally two reasons for a limit like this: collision and influence on the suspension kinematics. I don't see any potential collision. The idler is far enough away, isn't it? And the kinematic is not influenced either, since the chain is running over the idler and that stays where it is. What am I missing?
Maybe one of the lucky ones who already have theirs can take a look if there is anything a larger chainring might hit.
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bashguard is only designed for a 34t max?

also, 34/10 on a 584/60 tire is 41.1km/h @ 90rpm, @100 rpm it‘s 45.7km/h. why exactly do you need a 36t?
 
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sethimus said:
also, 34/10 on a 584/60 tire is 41.1km/h @ 90rpm, @100 rpm it‘s 45.7km/h. why exactly do you need a 36t?
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Never looked at it with numbers. I am just thinking of one particular jump (that I like a lot) where with my current 34/11 I am struggling to get to the proper speed in the few crank revolutions I have after coming out of the corner before the jump.
With my current 34/11 @100rpm that should be 41,5km/h. So with the 34/10 it is 4km/h more, maybe that's enough. But with 36/10 I would get to 48,4km/h. 😁

Anyway, with my Shimano E8000 with its 70Nm (yes, it's an oldtimer) I am generally not having problems on the slow end, always more power available than traction. And with almost double the torque from the Avinox I can't imagine getting any with the Rogue. On the other hand on fast descents I am occasionally going speeds that I can only reach by gravity, because my legs can't spin that fast. A 36 tooth chainring would help with that.
 
sethimus said:
bashguard is only designed for a 34t max?

also, 34/10 on a 584/60 tire is 41.1km/h @ 90rpm, @100 rpm it‘s 45.7km/h. why exactly do you need a 36t?
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So you are further down the cassette for your most commonly used great for better cassette wear.
 
slickrock said:
Trying to understand why folks want to wrap a matt unpainted UD carbon frame. If it's to reduce nicks - though this is most notable with painted finishes - , then I could get applying underside downtube protection. If it's to prevent staining or uneven patina development it might make sense, but then again I don't specially treat my naked UD carbon wheels. Maybe I should though, with something like SiO2 ceramic finish?
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Abrasion resistance, impact resistance. Its a good idea for a carbon frame. Ive more than 9nce had damage to the invisiframe that would have been damage into the carbon layers if not wrapped.
 
Plummet said:
So you are further down the cassette for your most commonly used great for better cassette wear.
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for me that is simply a non-issue in the alpes, when it goes up, it’s steep. and i either go up, or down. i simply can’t relate to wishing for a bigger gear. even if you can pedal such a gear, you burn through the battery in no time so what‘s the point? when i test rode the forbidden and the velduro, i was using 35% of battery to ride up to the middle station of lenzerheide (about 400hm). and that was with 25km/h limit…
 
I have another question that I hope someone who already owns a frame can answer. On the website it is stated that the brake hose for the rear brake needs to be 1700mm. It's the same for all frame sizes as far as I can see. I have a good deal for a set of brakes, but the rear brake line is only 1600mm long. I am pretty sure that would fit on my size M. But not sure enough to just buy it. Does someone have real live experience?
 
HiGer said:
I have another question that I hope someone who already owns a frame can answer. On the website it is stated that the brake hose for the rear brake needs to be 1700mm. It's the same for all frame sizes as far as I can see. I have a good deal for a set of brakes, but the rear brake line is only 1600mm long. I am pretty sure that would fit on my size M. But not sure enough to just buy it. Does someone have real live experience?
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Its routed pretty much strait to the calliper so I can't see it being an issue unless you had a super short bike before. I just ran mine on a L frame last night.
 
sethimus said:
for me that is simply a non-issue in the alpes, when it goes up, it’s steep. and i either go up, or down. i simply can’t relate to wishing for a bigger gear. even if you can pedal such a gear, you burn through the battery in no time so what‘s the point? when i test rode the forbidden and the velduro, i was using 35% of battery to ride up to the middle station of lenzerheide (about 400hm). and that was with 25km/h limit…
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Indeed! it's so tempting to always run in turbo mode but the battery runs out so quickly! When I tested the bike in Einsiedeln I drew ~60% of battery in ~1100mt
It's a pity that Velduro ships with low speed charger. They explained it to me as an attempt to keep overall cost down and keep the batter healthy longer, which makes sense...

Regardless, I am actively looking for a good deal on a fast charger - having one in the backpack seems to be a must for Epic rides in the Alps. There are some rumors on battery extenders - if they made one compatible with M1 models I am afraid the cable would get squished by the rear shock reservoir due to Velduro's port position.

PS @sethimus If you find any good deal for fast chargers shipped to CH do let me know!
 
rabitec said:
Indeed! it's so tempting to always run in turbo mode but the battery runs out so quickly! When I tested the bike in Einsiedeln I drew ~60% of battery in ~1100mt
It's a pity that Velduro ships with low speed charger. They explained it to me as an attempt to keep overall cost down and keep the batter healthy longer, which makes sense...

Regardless, I am actively looking for a good deal on a fast charger - having one in the backpack seems to be a must for Epic rides in the Alps. There are some rumors on battery extenders - if they made one compatible with M1 models I am afraid the cable would get squished by the rear shock reservoir due to Velduro's port position.

PS @sethimus If you find any good deal for fast chargers shipped to CH do let me know!
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spoco will have them at launch
 
Finally home for long enough to get some back to back rides and get this thing dialed.
It shreds! I love a playful and snappy bike and this ticks those boxes for me. But when you point it down the gnarliest steep loose chunk it’s ready to comply and fly!
Now that I’ve got the suspension dialed to my liking, I’m going faster than I have on any other bike. Every segment is a PR and I’m still riding fairly conservative as I’ve only got 5 rides on it.
It just wants to go fast and is stable and composed while doing so.
Motor noise is there, but no worse than my Gen4 Bosch, and tolerable. And the motor is worth dealing with the noise. So much fun even uphill.
I’m on a medium and it feels perfect for me at 171cm.
Still owe you guys a weight, I’ll try and find a scale this week.
Cheers 🍻
 
Durrti said:
Finally home for long enough to get some back to back rides and get this thing dialed.
It shreds! I love a playful and snappy bike and this ticks those boxes for me. But when you point it down the gnarliest steep loose chunk it’s ready to comply and fly!
Now that I’ve got the suspension dialed to my liking, I’m going faster than I have on any other bike. Every segment is a PR and I’m still riding fairly conservative as I’ve only got 5 rides on it.
It just wants to go fast and is stable and composed while doing so.
Motor noise is there, but no worse than my Gen4 Bosch, and tolerable. And the motor is worth dealing with the noise. So much fun even uphill.
I’m on a medium and it feels perfect for me at 171cm.
Still owe you guys a weight, I’ll try and find a scale this week.
Cheers 🍻
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Nice where's the finished build photo's? and then of course you sending the bike off some crazy feature.
 
Durrti said:
Finally home for long enough to get some back to back rides and get this thing dialed.
It shreds! I love a playful and snappy bike and this ticks those boxes for me. But when you point it down the gnarliest steep loose chunk it’s ready to comply and fly!
Now that I’ve got the suspension dialed to my liking, I’m going faster than I have on any other bike. Every segment is a PR and I’m still riding fairly conservative as I’ve only got 5 rides on it.
It just wants to go fast and is stable and composed while doing so.
Motor noise is there, but no worse than my Gen4 Bosch, and tolerable. And the motor is worth dealing with the noise. So much fun even uphill.
I’m on a medium and it feels perfect for me at 171cm.
Still owe you guys a weight, I’ll try and find a scale this week.
Cheers 🍻
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Congrats!

Can I ask you which seatpost you are using and what is the distance between pedal axle and top of seat for you?

I am 177cm and I have been flip-flopping between M and L (ended up ordering an M).
I could test ride only a Medium. It felt a bit short compared to Specialized, Orbea and Yeti Large which I rode in the past and of which the first two felt great while the Yeti was a mistake (I wished I had bought a medium, instead)

Thanks!
P.
 
rabitec said:
Congrats!

Can I ask you which seatpost you are using and what is the distance between pedal axle and top of seat for you?

I am 177cm and I have been flip-flopping between M and L (ended up ordering an M).
I could test ride only a Medium. It felt a bit short compared to Specialized, Orbea and Yeti Large which I rode in the past and of which the first two felt great while the Yeti was a mistake (I wished I had bought a medium, instead)

Thanks!
P.
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The normalised reach (accounting for stack) of a medium Rogue is 5mm shorter than an S4 Stumpy Evo or Levo SL (low BB setting); 7mm shorter than a large Amflow; 5mm longer than a medium Kado; 12mm shorter than an S4 Levo 4 (low). Let me know if you want more comparisons.
 
zizajaun said:
The normalised reach (accounting for stack) of a medium Rogue is 5mm shorter than an S4 Stumpy Evo or Levo SL (low BB setting); 7mm shorter than a large Amflow; 5mm longer than a medium Kado; 12mm shorter than an S4 Levo 4 (low). Let me know if you want more comparisons.
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thanks a ton for these.

I run a few scenarios and measurement and I do think M is the right size. L seems a bit too stretched.

For anyone interested:
www.bike-stats.de

Bike comparison: Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Orbea Rise M10 2023 vs Yeti SB6C 2016 vs Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Crestline RS 181 2025 vs Forbidden Druid E Core 2025

Use this app to compare bike geometries of different manufacturers with each other, in order to determine the most suitable bike for your personal requirements.
www.bike-stats.de www.bike-stats.de

(thanks to the person who modeled the Rogue's geo in the DB!)
 
rabitec said:
For anyone interested:
www.bike-stats.de

Bike comparison: Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Orbea Rise M10 2023 vs Yeti SB6C 2016 vs Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Crestline RS 181 2025 vs Forbidden Druid E Core 2025

Use this app to compare bike geometries of different manufacturers with each other, in order to determine the most suitable bike for your personal requirements.
www.bike-stats.de www.bike-stats.de

(thanks to the person who modeled the Rogue's geo in the DB!)
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Thanks for the juxtapositions. For me, this pretty confirms I did well to choose the S, as its stacks up pretty cleanly with a Druid E-Core S2, except with 20mm more travel ;) The M is pushing into S3 territory.
 
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So there is a new chainstay length that is longer on the L, XL?

On the Velduro website they state that at 30% sag the CS length is 454mm, which is pretty darn healthy already.

This is the bike I want to buy but I guess we aren't any closer to getting them in the USA?
 
Suns_PSD said:
So there is a new chainstay length that is longer on the L, XL?

On the Velduro website they state that at 30% sag the CS length is 454mm, which is pretty darn healthy already.

This is the bike I want to buy but I guess we aren't any closer to getting them in the USA?
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No the chainstays are the same across the board (440), but as you say, at sag they increase. Velduro told me they are looking at increasing L/XL CS’s at a later stage. I personally don’t see the CS as that bad, my bike at the moment has a 435 CS. The front/rear ratio is different though (as the rogue has a larger front centre), so this may change the balance on the trail. It’s so hard buying a bike without trying.
 
Muff1tt said:
I must admit, I've never found kickback to be an issue in all my years riding and on both analog and ebikes. I've ran dt swiss hubs with low engagement and i9 hubs with high engagement but never felt hindered in any way
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Great description. I always thought it was just rough ground I was riding on. Once I removed kickback I discovered the ground was only half as rough as I’d thought.
 
soso79 said:
Look under FAQ
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You can also find the detailed wheel axle travel path here (source: THE VELDURO ROGUE)
(yes, this was posted before but it's becoming an FAQ in this thread :)
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sethimus said:
that’s what confuses me. at 30% sag (51mm of travel) it should be less than 453mm according to this.
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Velduro does seem to have some inconsistent geo numbers listed at times and we all have to be sleuths to figure it out and create geo charts that we can trust.
 
sethimus said:
that’s what confuses me. at 30% sag (51mm of travel) it should be less than 453mm according to this chart?
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The way I read the graph is that at 51mm travel chainstay *extension* is 7.7cm @29" or 9.7cm @27.5" (Mullet)

Chainstay length at no sag is 437 as confirmed by others including myself who measured it.

So with mullet at 30% SAG chainstay is ~447 cm which is IMHO quite a bang on value IMHO on the M frame size when taken into the context of FC:RC ratio

(see Bike comparison: Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Orbea Rise M10 2023 vs Yeti SB6C 2016 vs Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Crestline RS 181 2025 vs Forbidden Druid E Core 2025)

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that’s why i‘m thinking hard about even going with a 1° headset and setting the fork at 180mm

luckily something i could simulate with my kenevo sl
 
rabitec said:
The way I read the graph is that at 51mm travel chainstay *extension* is 7.7cm @29" or 9.7cm @27.5" (Mullet)

Chainstay length at no sag is 437 as confirmed by others including myself who measured it.

So with mullet at 30% SAG chainstay is ~447 cm which is IMHO quite a bang on value IMHO on the M frame size when taken into the context of FC:RC ratio

(see Bike comparison: Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Orbea Rise M10 2023 vs Yeti SB6C 2016 vs Velduro Rogue 2026 vs Crestline RS 181 2025 vs Forbidden Druid E Core 2025)

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It's an ideal number for a medium, which is how most bikes are. It's a bit short for a L and definitely short for an XL.

Rob did his ride review and was chasing the front end a bit and experiencing understeer. In my experience, when a bike is a bit too small for a rider, it helps the front-end traction as the rider is large and over the front a lot. So the problem will be more pronounced for a smaller rider (like me!) on a L or Rob on an XL.

I feel this is a really nearly ideal bike I'd just like longer CS (on a L) and a quieter more efficient version of the Avinox and it's about perfection for my tastes.
 
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