Calling those that are running 29" on their Turbo Levo

[bekolu]

I´m running the new Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29 x 2.35 SG as rear tyre and the BB height is 35.5mm for my 2018 Carbon Comp Levo. Would recommend not to go for a 2.6 width as rear tyre - clearance was too low in my case (had a Butcher 29 x 2.6).

 

[khorn]

Old thread, but I'm wondering how the Levo feels with 29" compared to 27.5+. Do you feel the bikes bb height get to high? I would imagine its almost 38cm with 29ers.

With the 29ers and the narrower tires, the bike feels a lot more manoeuvrable on technical trails and it rolls way better over obstacles like roots or rocks. On the 29ers I have a 2.3 Minion SS at the rear and a 2.5 DHFII at the front. Front end feels so planted and the rear is fast roiling and playful. I'm only using the 27.5s when riding in very loose conditions on sandy trails and it instantly become a "plough through everything" type of bike and is not as accurate with regards to steering as well as feed back from the trail. On 27.5ers I run 2.8 Slaughter at the back and 2.8 Butcher at the front.

Regarding BB height I have no issues at all, the difference is not that big and if anything it reduces my seldom pedal strike to zero. I have offset bushings in my shock and as such I can lower the BB height almost 10 mm but it will also then slacken my head angle around 1 degree. Right now I'm running it in the high setting and love the quicker steering on the type of trails I ride.

Karsten

 

[Kim]

With the 29ers and the narrower tires, the bike feels a lot more manoeuvrable on technical trails and it rolls way better over obstacles like roots or rocks. On the 29ers I have a 2.3 Minion SS at the rear and a 2.5 DHFII at the front. Front end feels so planted and the rear is fast roiling and playful. I'm only using the 27.5s when riding in very loose conditions on sandy trails and it instantly become a "plough through everything" type of bike and is not as accurate with regards to steering as well as feed back from the trail. On 27.5ers I run 2.8 Slaughter at the back and 2.8 Butcher at the front.

Regarding BB height I have no issues at all, the difference is not that big and if anything it reduces my seldom pedal strike to zero. I have offset bushings in my shock and as such I can lower the BB height almost 10 mm but it will also then slacken my head angle around 1 degree. Right now I'm running it in the high setting and love the quicker steering on the type of trails I ride.

Karsten

After I read this I went out and bought a set of DT Swiss M1900 30mm 29" wheels. Had some problems with they beeing center lock and Levo magnet holder doesn't play well with 6-bolt adapter. Ende up with double-sided tape and a random magnet I found on my local hardware store. Worked great!

Went out for a 3h ride, and MAN 29" wheels transform the bike to a racehorse! The bike felt tighter and more composed. All aspects of the riding where better. I even felt I had more grip in super steep climbs. Anyway. Thanks for convincing me to go for 29".

 

[skypickle]

what is that protector you have between the linkage and the BB? My bike has a gap there full of crap

 

[33red]

Hello

I went the 29" way with my Levo and I love the way it behaves but having a severe space issue, I'm running a Maxxis Ardent TR EXO 2.4 and I have about 2 mm of space up towards the engine. That is with 30 Psi and do I lift it to 40 Psi(for the seldom asphalt ride) it will make contact. My rims are 25 mm internal width and I guess that I could flatten it a bit with a 30 mm internal width but again, maybe I gain another 1 - 2 mm by doing so. Those of you that are running 29" what tires/internal width do you have and how much space do you have up against the engine(Lower triangle, front part)?

This it how it looks right now:

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Karsten

Those rims are not designed for 2,6
2.6 do not need 30 PSI
Without a car i pedal to the trails and back with one pression 13 PSI last 7 weeks.

 

[khorn]

Those rims are not designed for 2,6
2.6 do not need 30 PSI
Without a car i pedal to the trails and back with one pression 13 PSI last 7 weeks.

It is very obvious that you have no clue of what you are talking about.......

The 2019 S-WORKS Levo come with the very same wheeelset together with guess what.... a 2.6 tire. But hey, Specialized don't use a Yamaha engine so they must be a very stupid company

Your remark about tire pressure clearly illustrate that you also need to study that area of mountain biking a bit more as well.

Are you a troll?

Karsten

 

[Kim]

what is that protector you have between the linkage and the BB? My bike has a gap there full of crap

I also would like to know where that mudguard is from.

 

[khorn]

I also would like to know where that mudguard is from.

View attachment 17121

That comes stock on a 2018 Levo Comp Carbon. It’s a 1 year only rear triangle design only on the Comp Carbon and Expect bikes. It will not fit on either the Alu frame or S-WORKS.

Karsten

 

[Kim]

That comes stock on a 2018 Levo Comp Carbon. It’s a 1 year only rear triangle design only on the Comp Carbon and Expect bikes. It will not fit on either the Alu frame or S-WORKS.

Karsten

Not possible on the Comp Alu then, I have never had any problems but there is a pretty big gap there.

 

[33red]

If they are that great why do you have a problem? Ask others your rims are not suggested by the tire manufacturers. Your PSI is way off. Do you weight 200K ?

 

[khorn]

If they are that great why do you have a problem? Ask others your rims are not suggested by the tire manufacturers. Your PSI is way off. Do you weight 200K ?

You are indeed a troll......

As to my tire pressure and the fact that you apparently knows everything could you be so kind and educate me and explain in detail, with hard facts reference, what I’m doing wrong?

Btw could you also explain what the “WT” stamped on some of the Maxxis tires mean?

Karsten

 

[Zimmerframe]

The 2019 S-WORKS Levo come with the very same wheeelset together with guess what.... a 2.6 tire. But hey, Specialized don't use a Yamaha engine so they must be a very stupid company

Karsten, as you usual you are showing your total lack of engineering knowledge and common sense ;-)

Everyone knows that all the Yamaha motored bikes come with CTIS (through hollow spokes if you were wondering) and have a front motor lidar unit combined with handlebar mounted ground penetrating radar (too see through rises) , these, with the onboard certified Yamaha Pixie adjust tyre pressure on the go, as required - so it doesn't matter what you set your tyre pressure too, it sorts it out for you, which often causes confusion for Yamaha riders. Next you'll be saying you don't know about the self repairing on board nano bots on Yamaha bikes or the on board testosterone chemical production plant - released as an air borne spray ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

“Btw could you also explain what the “WT” stamped on some of the Maxxis tires mean

Derrr .. "Wheel Tyre" .. ;-)

 

[khorn]

Karsten, as you usual you are showing your total lack of engineering knowledge and common sense ;-)

Everyone knows that all the Yamaha motored bikes come with CTIS (through hollow spokes if you were wondering) and have a front motor lidar unit combined with handlebar mounted ground penetrating radar (too see through rises) , these, with the onboard certified Yamaha Pixie adjust tyre pressure on the go, as required - so it doesn't matter what you set your tyre pressure too, it sorts it out for you, which often causes confusion for Yamaha riders. Next you'll be saying you don't know about the self repairing on board nano bots on Yamaha bikes or the on board testosterone chemical production plant - released as an air borne spray ?

Hahahaha

I stand corrected

Karsten

 

[khorn]

Derrr .. "Wheel Tyre" .. ;-)

Actually not, I’m waiting for our newborn Ultimate forum tire pressure expert to educate me!

Karsten

 

[33red]

You are indeed a troll......

As to my tire pressure and the fact that you apparently knows everything could you be so kind and educate me and explain in detail, with hard facts reference, what I’m doing wrong?

Btw could you also explain what the “WT” stamped on some of the Maxxis tires mean?

Karsten

WT is used by many manufacturers these days. It means wide and it means it was designed to be used on wide rims to offer more traction. 5 years ago many 2.4 tires were designed to be used on 21 mm rims. With the fatbikes fallowed by the + bikes many realized the addded traction potential of a wider contact. Most manufacturers build tires now to be used on 27-40 mm rims with a few 2.2 for speed on XC bikes designed for thin rims.
When i started with + tires i asked around and many suggested i use PSI in the teen so i started with 19 and slowly went down and for 7 weeks i use 13 it works, it rolls and it grips. Just like winter depending on conditions often we use 2, 3 or 4 PSI for our fat tires. Ask around you will see. Email your tire manufacturer ask for what rims your tires were designed for and post their answer many might be interested.

 

[khorn]

WT is used by many manufacturers these days. It means wide and it means it was designed to be used on wide rims to offer more traction. 5 years ago many 2.4 tires were designed to be used on 21 mm rims. With the fatbikes fallowed by the + bikes many realized the addded traction potential of a wider contact. Most manufacturers build tires now to be used on 27-40 mm rims with a few 2.2 for speed on XC bikes designed for thin rims.
When i started with + tires i asked around and many suggested i use PSI in the teen so i started with 19 and slowly went down and for 7 weeks i use 13 it works, it rolls and it grips. Just like winter depending on conditions often we use 2, 3 or 4 PSI for our fat tires. Ask around you will see. Email your tire manufacturer ask for what rims your tires were designed for and post their answer many might be interested.

Do you understand the 2 words “Irony” and “sarcasm”?

Btw can you elaborate a little bit more about the different factors influencing the optimum tire pressure for different riding styles in various different riding environments ?

I’m sorry @Gary but it seems like you are also doing everything wrong regarding your tire pressure

Karsten

 

[33red]

Do you understand the 2 words “Irony” and “sarcasm”?

Btw can you elaborate a little bit more about the different factors influencing the optimum tire pressure for different riding styles in various different riding environments ?

I’m sorry @Gary but it seems like you are also doing everything wrong regarding your tire pressure

Karsten

I can give you a class just send 1,000.00$US and you might become an expert

 

[khorn]

I can give you a class just send 1,000.00$US and you might become an expert

I take it that way that you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about..... if you bring strong statements to the table then you have to back it up by hard facts or it can only be seen as stupid written white noise. A person that seriously recommend forum members to run 13 psi I consider dangerous, what if people actually follow your advice? I will go that far and claim that you are either a lier or a even worse, a troll.

The video below is by no means the solid truth but so basic that there are just a slight chance that you might understand it - Look, listen and learn.......



Karsten

 

[CjP]

I’m still laughing at the 120mm HT bit.

 

[33red]

I take it that way that you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about..... if you bring strong statements to the table then you have to back it up by hard facts or it can only be seen as stupid written white noise. A person that seriously recommend forum members to run 13 psi I consider dangerous, what if people actually follow your advice? I will go that far and claim that you are either a lier or a even worse, a troll.

The video below is by no means the solid truth but so basic that there are just a slight chance that you might understand it - Look, listen and learn.......



Karsten

 

[khorn]

What on earth has this to do with that fact that you claim that the perfect tire pressure on your HT is 13 Psi.........?

You initially commented on my tire pressure, claiming that 30 Psi was completely out of normal pressure - Now you bring up some stupid fat tire in snowy conditions, what has that to do with what we are discussing here in the first place?
Also you state that a tire pressure of 13 Psi is the norm on a typical emtb and if people are using a higher pressure you claim that people know nothing...... Fact is that you are so very wrong so better "suck it up baby" and stick your tongue in for gods sake

Again, you provide statements about stuff that you know absolutely nothing about and every time you are being confronted with it, you are trying to change the topic. Don't you realize that the majority here consider you nothing but a Troll providing nothing but white noise to the discussion.

Karsten

 

[Gary]

Fancy a race Karsten?


I'll stick to my stupid tyre volumes and pressures.. You stick to yours.

Good luck.

 

[johnwski]

Enjoyed, elephant tires, snowy conditions, oh and the reflector on the wheels

 

[Swissrob]

Fancy a race Karsten?


I'll stick to my stupid tyre volumes and pressures.. You stick to yours.

Good luck.

Random thoughts while riding yesterday with my new DHF not gripping wet roots any better than the Butcher I took off. Everyone has an opinion about tyre pressures but what are we trying to achieve with tyre pressures? There again there is no absolute answer as everyone has similar needs but different priorities.

In my mind it comes down to the amount of deformation of the tyre with the surface it's in contact which will determine the performance. Speed, skill, weight, terrain ect all effect deformation and therefore grip. So maybe concentrating on the maximum pressure you can run to get the level of deformation you need before losing grip would be better than a pissing competition about low pressures?

Thoughts on this?

 

[33red]

Random thoughts while riding yesterday with my new DHF not gripping wet roots any better than the Butcher I took off. Everyone has an opinion about tyre pressures but what are we trying to achieve with tyre pressures? There again there is no absolute answer as everyone has similar needs but different priorities.

In my mind it comes down to the amount of deformation of the tyre with the surface it's in contact which will determine the performance. Speed, skill, weight, terrain ect all effect deformation and therefore grip. So maybe concentrating on the maximum pressure you can run to get the level of deformation you need before losing grip would be better than a pissing competition about low pressures?

Thoughts on this?

I deal with wet roots but i am no expert.
Was it front or rear?
Wich compound? 3C MaxxTerra, 3C MaxxGrip ?
Wich rim width?
Wich tire size?
I find my Rekon 2.8 on 40 mm is doing well(rear).
I hope they will offer a 3.0 for my front. Since i like to climb i mounted it reversed to the suggested rotation. It is a 120 TPI MaxxTerra 3C Exo

 

[GuyP]

Anyone still on a 2018 with 29er up front?

I'm really keen on trying it to raise my motor a bit but this thread has me worried.

 

[khorn]

Anyone still on a 2018 with 29er up front?

I'm really keen on trying it to raise my motor a bit but this thread has me worried.

There are absolutely no issues if you want to run it mullet style, issues are at the back and especially if you have the expert or comp carbon.

Karsten

 

[Swissrob]

There are absolutely no issues if you want to run it mullet style, issues are at the back and especially if you have the expert or comp carbon.

Karsten

Did you run yours mullet style? Any feedback on that?

 

[GuyP]

There are absolutely no issues if you want to run it mullet style, issues are at the back and especially if you have the expert or comp carbon.

Karsten

Thanks Karsten

I figured out that the problem was at the back after reading a bit more. I fitted the wheel from my Trek Remedy to see how I like the ride and so far it feels great.