Avinox Reveals its Motor Gearbox

It was literally a direct response and I quoted someone saying that the Bosch bikes should be sold at extreme discounts. Just pointing out what should be pretty obvious.
oh yeah very obvious that we should then go on about how Bosch is more reliable and you lack common sense to get a used Avinox over Bosch. Get out of here man. You do this in every thread at any opportunity.
 
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It was literally a direct response and I quoted someone saying that the Bosch bikes should be sold at extreme discounts. Just pointing out what should be pretty obvious.
It was literally a direct response and I quoted someone saying that the Bosch bikes should be sold at extreme discounts. Just pointing out what should be pretty obvious.
That seems obvious only to you, and it appears to be based on completely mistaken beliefs. Do you think a Bosch motor is serviceable in the long run? That’s incorrect; they only offer unit replacements—and only while the warranty is valid. They don't supply individual spare parts, and shops aren't even allowed to open the motors. Avinox might not do any better, but it certainly won't be any worse.
 
Guys ! Will you two please declare a truce.

You know if you actually met EMTB would probably mean " Ecstatic Marriage of Two Bro's" 🤔🎉🥳🤗
I’d ride with suns tomorrow. We’re more alike than different. I agree though. Just kind of tired of the anti avinox rhetoric when he hasn’t ridden one but has more to say about how Bosch is better than anybody else on the forum. I’d like to hear about the avinox mg rather than how suns thinks Bosch is more reliable and you’d lack common sense to get a used avinox. I could have ignored it though and that’s on me
 
I’d ride with suns tomorrow. We’re more alike than different. I agree though. Just kind of tired of the anti avinox rhetoric when he hasn’t ridden one but has more to say about how Bosch is better than anybody else on the forum. I’d like to hear about the avinox mg rather than how suns thinks Bosch is more reliable and you’d lack common sense to get a used avinox. I could have ignored it though and that’s on me
Totally, but remember he has ADMTBHD, so we try and accommodate and give some slack. Because were all cool dudes who love MTB.
 
That’s incorrect; they only offer unit replacements
Like most other "respectable" motor brands (Shimano, Fazua, TQ etc). No serviceabiity is wanted! Yamaha will sell some parts in some markets (component level not whole units), Brose will sell a belt kit (that Specialized didn't even required the dealers to replace them but replaced the units instead). Bosch and Brose would choose non standard size bearings that were not available to purchase until PLB (performance line bearing) 3rd party ebike motor parts supplier/service emerged on the market.

Don't know about Avinox but you can find Bafang parts for their motors and their service utility is the most helpful in doing a proper diagnotic among the rest not Chinese manufacturers.
 
Like most other "respectable" motor brands (Shimano, Fazua, TQ etc). No serviceabiity is wanted! Yamaha will sell some parts in some markets (component level not whole units), Brose will sell a belt kit (that Specialized didn't even required the dealers to replace them but replaced the units instead). Bosch and Brose would choose non standard size bearings that were not available to purchase until PLB (performance line bearing) 3rd party ebike motor parts supplier/service emerged on the market.

Don't know about Avinox but you can find Bafang parts for their motors and their service utility is the most helpful in doing a proper diagnotic among the rest not Chinese manufacturers.
Exactly. Bafang is the only brand that supplies all the parts needed to service its motors: controllers, torque sensors, gears, and even the gaskets for reassembly. Furthermore, every motor generation is interchangeable (same mounting points, connectors, and wiring), and any generic battery can be used; the only difference between batteries of different voltages is the software. Sometimes, you only need to replace a single component to achieve a significant upgrade. The professional-grade maintenance tool is available to end users. I know—it’s Chinese, so for some people, that means it "doesn't exist." But in reality, they are very much here, and they’ve been around longer than Bosch (in the e-bike sector)—a company that is only just now getting into hub motors 🤣 .
 
Exactly. Bafang is the only brand that supplies all the parts needed to service its motors: controllers, torque sensors, gears, and even the gaskets for reassembly. Furthermore, every motor generation is interchangeable (same mounting points, connectors, and wiring), and any generic battery can be used; the only difference between batteries of different voltages is the software. Sometimes, you only need to replace a single component to achieve a significant upgrade. The professional-grade maintenance tool is available to end users. I know—it’s Chinese, so for some people, that means it "doesn't exist." But in reality, they are very much here, and they’ve been around longer than Bosch (in the e-bike sector)—a company that is only just now getting into hub motors 🤣 .
Also Bafang motors are the most reverse engineered motors and the only motors completely integrated aftermarket controllers exist for. Maybe Avinox will get the same status eventually. Not so sure about other brands.
 
Would you rather buy a used Gen5 or an M1/ M2 Avinox in say 3 years?
If you have common sense, you'd say the Gen5.
It's about long-term parts and service availability. Not to mention just overall reliability.
I suspect that as the product turnover at Avinox is very rapid, and obtaining service or replacements on older generation products becomes all but impossible, you'll see a corresponding drop in the value of these products on the used market.
How many M1 owners do you think are really going to be able to upgrade their motor to M2? So many of them want to yet none of them have done it successfully for example, yet these products are all but new.
Imagine comparing a used Gen 1 Amflow with an M1 to say a used Vala with a Gen5, in 2028. You'd have to be insane, or be buying it for next to nothing, to choose the Amflow.

PS. New Amflows PL Pro for sale for $2.4K in NM, USA btw. Seems to be a well established poster, but I'm not advocating.

https://www.mtbr.com/threads/dji-amflow-pl-carbon-pro-emtb-2026-800wh-e-mountain-bike.1245955/
bla bla bla bla, the same old worn out record from you.

concerning service ability, here is the service manual for an avinox motor:


now hush hush, go on and provide a link to the bosch equivalent...

oh there is none? surprise!
 
Just pointed out for obvious reasons why Bosch bikes don't need to be 'auctioned off' implying they are such shit compared to Avinox.
It's such a DJI fanclub around here not one person pointed out how obviously silly that is except me, which then gets me attacked.
What a joke.
Anyways, back to MGU talk. That's the Avinox product that I'm looking forward to hearing more about.
 
Can you ride the bike if you drain the battery flat?
The design has not been released. But technically yes. You can recharge the battery, as well drive the rear wheel from pedalling.

My suggestion would be to turn the assist off, before draining the battery completely flat, so all your leg power goes into driving the wheels.

You do need to drive the smaller electric motor to vary the gear ratio. But if you select the gear where that motor is stationary, which is a mid gear. Then you will drain any saved battery much slower. And not require any leg power to go to recharging the battery.

Watch this video.

 
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Just pointed out for obvious reasons why Bosch bikes don't need to be 'auctioned off' implying they are such shit compared to Avinox.
It's such a DJI fanclub around here not one person pointed out how obviously silly that is except me, which then gets me attacked.
What a joke.
Anyways, back to MGU talk. That's the Avinox product that I'm looking forward to hearing more about.
have you found the bosch service manual yet?
 
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