Avinox M2S: 1,500W, 150Nm, and a PR Offensive

[Onetime]

I don't have an issue with the motor, I take issue with calling assistance ability though.

But I wonder why the fuck I'm still in this thread. I unwatched it

A better motor gives you more abilities to do more than you could previously do. Just like having suspension gives you the ability to go faster with more control, or how disc brakes give the ability to stop faster with more control. It’s really pretty simple. It’s called progress. The bar has been raised, but sadly we still have plenty of Luddite’s who don’t get it. This motor gives the ability to do the job better, with more control. Obviously the bike that it goes in matters too, it’s geo and its quality matters. But like it or not, the M2s motor is a game changer. Ps, my M2s is dead silent.

 

[cream]

You couldn't have picked a worse example - I own a DJI drone, have had 3 - and now you have have a license and registration - which I also have.

Yes, maybe....But it seems like you did, though.

 

[otbmaster]

A better motor gives you more abilities to do more than you could previously do. Just like having suspension gives you the ability to go faster with more control, or how disc brakes give the ability to stop faster with more control. It’s really pretty simple. It’s called progress. The bar has been raised, but sadly we still have plenty of Luddite’s who don’t get it. This motor gives the ability to do the job better, with more control. Obviously the bike that it goes in matters too, it’s geo and its quality matters. But like it or not, the M2s motor is a game changer. Ps, my M2s is dead silent.

Is better equal more power ? I have only tested the avinox in the amflow and the forbidden druid. The wow factor on sheer power is awsome compared to the Ep8 I have , but then I have really never felt I lacked power with the Ep8 in trail or Turbo mode either . The biggest gamechanger in that sense is less wheight , better efficencies , fast charging and less noise . And ofcourse durability which is what really define a great motor. Power is nothing alone .

 

[TonTonUB]

Discussions about power are a good thing.
It's a waste of time for losers like bosch(it) and other lazy companies who thought they would milk the word till the end (of the world).
This way, they ensure not losing next round, but the war.

Mass and size ? 'cola-Can' form factor motor (like the ZF) with the same torque / peak than M1 (90-110 Nm with 700 / 850 W peak).
Paired with a light / thin battery ? Wabagadoowah !
Now, who will be the first to release such a marvel (maxon doesn't count, since the 'can' form factor in the pedal axis is paired with a perpendicular motor).

Even better : CVT.

guess what ? EU regulation (i didn't write corruption ...) may strike, or not, losers will lose. And it's a good thing.
And with a bit of luck, the mamoth of corruption and incompetent useless admin of Europe will sink with the ship.

Power contest started long ago by regular companies exploded in their face.
Now, Avinox use it to deceive them before next gen REAL innovation ... and i suspect it won't be about moar power.

 

[otbmaster]

Discussions about power are a good thing.
It's a waste of time for losers like bosch(it) and other lazy companies who thought they would milk the word till the end (of the world).
This way, they ensure not losing next round, but the war.

Mass and size ? 'cola-Can' form factor motor (like the ZF) with the same torque / peak than M1 (90-110 Nm with 700 / 850 W peak).
Paired with a light / thin battery ? Wabagadoowah !
Now, who will be the first to release such a marvel (maxon doesn't count, since the 'can' form factor in the pedal axis is paired with a perpendicular motor).

Even better : CVT.

guess what ? EU regulation (i didn't write corruption ...) may strike, or not, losers will lose. And it's a good thing.
And with a bit of luck, the mamoth of corruption and incompetent useless admin of Europe will sink with the ship.

I'm sure there are better platforms to discus politics.

 

[Fugu]

A better motor gives you more abilities to do more than you could previously do. Just like having suspension gives you the ability to go faster with more control, or how disc brakes give the ability to stop faster with more control. It’s really pretty simple. It’s called progress. The bar has been raised, but sadly we still have plenty of Luddite’s who don’t get it. This motor gives the ability to do the job better, with more control. Obviously the bike that it goes in matters too, it’s geo and its quality matters. But like it or not, the M2s motor is a game changer. Ps, my M2s is dead silent.

So I'm a luddite even though I'm on an electric mountain bike, just because I didn't buy your favourite? Lol.

Some of them rattle. AND THAT IS ALL I'VE SAID. Avinox's own careful language is "reduced rattle" and people posting on here with M2S that rattle are not getting replaced. That's enough for me personally to not wish to roll the dice with it.

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Thread 'Avinox M2s rattle'

May 2, 2026

Anybody with the M2s have a rattle?
Mine started rattling on the second ride, it does it while coasting over rough ground anything from small chatter to large roots. I can replicate it by holding the rear wheel & moving the crank or pulling the chain slightly.
Definitely sounds like backlash in the gears somewhere. I thought Avinox had sorted this.

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No doubt the M3S will fully disengage, the way the Gen 5 does. Awesome, it might be the best motor FOR ME then.

The climbing assistance I'm sure is great. Wonderful. Orgasmic even. I WOULD LIKE IT I AM SURE. The thing is, I ride to descend - and I won't swap POTENTIAL rattle for climbing assistance. I don't have crazy climbing trails I can't already clear with Bosch. I don't go out finding piles of stuff to climb. And if I did, I'm not sure getting a computer to do it for me would be very fulfilling. Maybe it would, I dunno...

Non-happening with Gen 5:

That would be a nightmare situation for me on a 15K eMTB. I'll climb my own piles of rocks.

 

[zaskarmark]

A better motor gives you more abilities to do more than you could previously do. Just like having suspension gives you the ability to go faster with more control, or how disc brakes give the ability to stop faster with more control. It’s really pretty simple. It’s called progress. The bar has been raised, but sadly we still have plenty of Luddite’s who don’t get it. This motor gives the ability to do the job better, with more control. Obviously the bike that it goes in matters too, it’s geo and its quality matters. But like it or not, the M2s motor is a game changer. Ps, my M2s is dead silent.

A better motor or up level components make AVAILABLE the the OPPORTUNITY for improved performance, yet, without the physical/mental ABILITIES & AGILITY to accompany said performance increases, you could find yourself in a world of hurt & troubles. If one hasn't PROGRESSED past beginner status on the bike, it is only POTENTIAL contained within the bike's technical characteristics, NOT the rider. Alas, I am already tyre'd of this thread...

A better motor gives you more abilities to do more than you could previously do. Just like having suspension gives you the ability to go faster with more control, or how disc brakes give the ability to stop faster with more control. It’s really pretty simple. It’s called progress. The bar has been raised, but sadly we still have plenty of Luddite’s who don’t get it. This motor gives the ability to do the job better, with more control. Obviously the bike that it goes in matters too, it’s geo and its quality matters. But like it or not, the M2s motor is a game changer. Ps, my M2s is dead silent.

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

A better motor gives you more abilities to do more than you could previously do. Just like having suspension gives you the ability to go faster with more control, or how disc brakes give the ability to stop faster with more control. It’s really pretty simple. It’s called progress. The bar has been raised, but sadly we still have plenty of Luddite’s who don’t get it. This motor gives the ability to do the job better, with more control. Obviously the bike that it goes in matters too, it’s geo and its quality matters. But like it or not, the M2s motor is a game changer. Ps, my M2s is dead silent.

Folks are arguing semantics and a slight dig at claims your a better climber because of an eMTB...

It takes both rider and bike to navigate terrain, whether its uphill or down. When I got an eMTB, I was able to ride faster on flatter terrain, longer and be less fatigued, climb faster and clean more technical ascents than on my MTB. Did I as a rider change? No, I simply had a more capable tool.

Granted, now with the eMTB I can climb things I wouldn't consider on my analog, whether its just too steep, long, and/or janky.

No doubt a more powerful and smoother motor will increase your capability to climb as momentum and traction are huge factors in technical climbing. Its triggering some when folks claim their better climbers when riding an eMTB because inherently it helps a ton as compared to a MTB (my take). It'd be the same are folks saying their better at descending on an MTB because they got a new different MTB... where its assumed the bike is never really the crux, its the rider's fitness, technical skills and confidence to send.

Anyway, I get your point in that the Avinox system has enabled you to climb better.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Some e-bike owners really associate their personal worth and value with their choice of e-bike motor system. It's f**king creepy honestly. You don't need to attack if others have a differing opinion about a freaking bike motor system!
I can happily acknowledge that somewhere around 75% of the reviews I've read prefer the tractability of the Avinox over the other top contenders. In spite of the fact that I've never ridden the Avinox I admit that this is likely true; even though it's also true that many of these statements were put forth by paid influencers with questionable motives and possibly 'ringer' motors.
Even if this aspect is somewhat better, I just don't care because I've never sensed any problem with my current motor system in this regard.
For me there isn't much value in the other features such as smart shift. Primarily because I still ride normal bikes that don't have these features. But if it matters to you that's coming down the pipeline on other motor systems too.
I personally value legal compliance, continuing long term trail access, guaranteed no rattle, easily available service, chain ring protection & Western design and manufacturing over the tractability argument, and that's okay. That is my position and yours can be different and I won't care.
The Avinox extra power, once again is either illegal, or at a minimum against the spirit of the e-bike regulations, so has zero value to me. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not think that Bosch could build any power motor they want. Bosch is choosing to respect current regulations.

 

[Powerslider]

Speed is proportional to danger, in fact you could argue that danger is proportional to speed squared (since its energy that will cause injuries and energy is proportional to speed squared). But there is also the less physical danger, the danger of ebikes getting banned from trails.
Right now we enjoy a very privileged existence, we don't have to register, pay tax, wear helmets (probably a good idea in most cases though) or have insurance (though most people would be well advised to have 3rd party insurance); we get to ride roads and bridleways and (in most places) most trails. That's a pretty cushy deal.
If riders start alarming hikers etc. (even if there are no actual collisions) or SEEM like we might be disturbing wildlife etc. then we could lose all that.
DJI/Avinox are fine to say "trust me bro" but once it's fucked, it's fucked; so we should definitely be erring on the side of caution here.

Here we go again with the ‘we’re lucky for the crumbs we get’ mindset. F THAT. I fought this weak, cuck mindset back in the 90s when it was hikers against bikes. It feels even more offensive when it’s fellow cyclists betraying our freedom and liberty.

 

[E-Okie]

Part of me wants to go and get an M2S and be the prick that flies up the fire road at 25km/h. Because that’s what’s going to be happening, whether I do or not, so I might as well enjoy it. And it might be for a limited time...

I think Avinox are very shrewd marketers. They became the focus very quickly because of the torque and power numbers, and look at the number of OEMs on board now - a roaring success for their business. But it seems to me they did this by overstepping a gentleman’s agreement. Take Bosch for example - they were able to go from 85nm to 120nm just with firmware. So it seems like if they had been pursuing these sorts of big numbers when they made the Gen 5 or even Gen 4, they would have designed it differently and had bigger numbers - and thus be able to crank it up to even more now. Then those figures Avinox released with the M1 wouldn’t have been anything new.

It’s pretty obvious that blokes - the majority of eMTB users - like big power numbers. There’s an undeniable fact that “mines bigger than yours” sells - anything. It’s just the male ego. And Avinox capitalised on that. There might be a big price to pay, and not by Avinox in the end.

Seems the trail issue is definitely going to be a big issue in some places, like parts of the US. Will it be here? I dunno. We have issues with rampant teenagers on (non-EMTB) bikes tearing shit up. That’s going to come to a head at some point, and I wonder if we’ll end up caught up in that i.e. being hardcore policed, forced to comply, maybe even laws to confiscate non-legal bikes (completely believable in Australia).

There’s been plenty of times when I’ve been on a turbo ride in the forest, and I’m loving it, but the speed at which I’m catching and passing people feels pretty rude… afterwards. In the moment with adrenaline surging I’m just going for it. And I’m talking about on a 85nm speed restricted Bosch, and I'm heavy. If I had an Avinox I wouldn’t be obeying 25km/h. That’s just the reality. When I was 20 I drove every car like I stole it. It’s what I end up doing on an eMTB, being a kid again. I’m sure I’m not alone…

It would be awesome to see what Avinox could do shooting for lighter and 600w/80nm or something. I dunno, maybe it doesn’t get a whole lot lighter than the M2S anyway, in which case, why would they?

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. It will also be interesting to see what Bosch does. I don't think people really appreciate how big and serious of an engineering company Bosch is. I think they weren't trying to make motors this crazy. And being EU they may still not.

Here in Aus you can freely buy ebikes that aren’t legal (not just EMTB, non-pedal behemoths) and they're everywhere. I can’t see it lasting, but it's not going to be real easy to police either. So the Avinox is just a fraction of that problem.

We are beginning to have issues with e-dirt bikes here in Oklahoma as well. Parents by their kids these cheap electric dirt bikes but kid has no where to ride it. So they ride them on the street, illegal, or they come to our mtb trails. They go up to 50 mph and can rip your trails up quickly. It’s the fn parents fault for getting the bike in the first place.

As for Avinox putting out too much power, again it comes down to self control and when to use it and when not to. But when it comes to climbing you can’t have enough, and the power becomes almost irrelevant on DH and flat trails. In fact a good rider on an analog will drop you with ease on flat ground. And unlike other manufacturers who just gave you 90 nm of torque and you had to be skilled enough to use it, Avinox gave you more power and torque and the software to manage it to suite your skill level. Unlike an 800 hp car which a 16 yr old girl with zero experience can legally drive. So people, don't bring your hairbun metrosexual whiny ass viewpoints to a try and reduce a sport that was never meant for general public to participate in. They have their paved safe trails to ride, they need to stay where they belong.

 

[Fugu]

In fact a good rider on an analog will drop you with ease on flat ground. And unlike other manufacturers who just gave you 90 nm of torque and you had to be skilled enough to use it, Avinox gave you more power and torque and the software to manage it to suite your skill level. Unlike an 800 hp car which a 16 yr old girl with zero experience can legally drive. So people, don't bring your hairbun metrosexual whiny ass viewpoints to a try and reduce a sport that was never meant for general public to participate in. They have their paved safe trails to ride, they need to stay where they belong.

They'd be a pretty fit rider indeed to drop a 45kph ebike, even just at Bosch power levels,on flat ground - for any length of time. I used to commute on a unrestricted Levo doing just that, flying past fit roadies the whole way.

An 800hp car is not very accessible. Not many parents are giving their 16 year old daughter one. In fact - and I hope this isn't too metro for you, you big man you - I'd say that would be irresponsible.

I have a #3 all over, a beard and am most definitely not "metrosexual". No man bun here. Cheap insults come from low IQs. Have another crack.

Any whiny? Read your post back. Geezus. Maybe get your T levels checked.

"Sport that was never meant for general public to participate in" - I'm sorry, we're not talking about e-mountain biking? I think you've drifted off topic.

 

[GVA Rider]

@original article, there are already plenty of midpower solutions around 600w. Buy one of those. Who died, made you King, and decided you can tell the market what it should buy?

There are Surons that are literal e-motos. Let's not get our panties in a knot about speed restricted e-bikes playing in gray areas while still complying with the law. Track down the 50mph hooligans.

If everyone ends up buying avinox models, then trail access laws should change to accommodate popular opinion, not the other way around.

 

[Scott_123]

@original article, there are already plenty of midpower solutions around 600w. Buy one of those. Who died, made you King, and decided you can tell the market what it should buy?

There are Surons that are literal e-motos. Let's not get our panties in a knot about speed restricted e-bikes playing in gray areas while still complying with the law. Track down the 50mph hooligans.

If everyone ends up buying avinox models, then trail access laws should change to accommodate popular opinion, not the other way around.

In my immediate area there are about 15 miles of mixed use single track [hike, horses, bikes]. For years they had signs below the trail map locations that said “no peddle assist bike”. About 2 months ago a guy was removing the “no peddle assist” signs and when asked he said they are replacing the signs because people are damaging them. Well that was over two months ago and the signs never came back. People have been riding e-bikes on those trails for years and I just think they threw in the towel when there was no evidence the trails were being damaged by e-bikes. Can’t imagine them putting the signs back up after they have been gone for months.

 

[Fugu]

If everyone ends up buying avinox models, then trail access laws should change to accommodate popular opinion, not the other way around.

Be wonderful if things worked like that. I'd love to live in such a democratic society. If you come across one, let me know.

But what if there are many more hikers than bikers on said trails, and their opinions are that ebikes are a scourge and should be banned? Still cool to accommodate popular opinion?

Also we're not talking about speed restricted ebikes, we're talking about Avinox bikes.

Let me just be clear - I'm personally completely cool with faster than 25km/h. I'll derestrict my Bosch soon. I'm cool with more power/torque too. But this conversation is about what these changes will broadly mean. And that will change country to country, even town to town. Which is why it's interesting for people from different places to chime in. (Just trying to avoid getting abused again).

 

[Brawwp]

Be wonderful if things worked like that. I'd love to live in such a democratic society. If you come across one, let me know.

But what if there are many more hikers than bikers on said trails, and their opinions are that ebikes are a scourge and should be banned? Still cool to just accommodate popular opinion?

Hikers don’t want any bikes. Bikers don’t want emtbers. Emtbers don’t want throttle e-bikes and apparently some assist bikes. What’s new? Every sport is the same

Where I live shortboarders dont want longboarders, neither want foilers, foilers dont want assist foilers, assist foilers dont want efoils.

If you aren’t killing people it’ll be ok. Right now surrons are on the roads ridden by kids and getting killed. I doubt you’ll see any deaths by slightly quicker emtbs that are still the same top speed of every one that already is legal that’ll change a reg.

Emtbers raising hell will be the only reason for regulation change. Nobody else knows or cares.

 

[Brawwp]

one thing to note is a lot of us emtbers used to be on analog bikes only and raising hell about any e-bike. Then you get one and you’re like no no this is actually awesome. I’m already seeing some of you guys that were raising hell in the avinox threads that happened to get one and now got real quiet. We will see more of that im predicting and already noticing

 

[Fugu]

Yeah and look there's the simple point that from here forward adding more watts and newton meters isn't going to change behaviour a whole lot, simply because there isn't the battery capacity and not many people want to go out for a <60 minute battery-emptying ride.

A bigger change of behaviour will come with bigger batteries. Then the power can be used all the time. Then it will be much more inviting to get the higher output and actually use it - all the time.

 

[Astro66]

one thing to note is a lot of us emtbers used to be on analog bikes only and raising hell about any e-bike. Then you get one and you’re like no no this is actually awesome. I’m already seeing some of you guys that were raising hell in the avinox threads that happened to get one and now got real quiet. We will see more of that im predicting and already noticing

OMG, life is so full of this. I had a guy berate me for years on a EV thread, about buying an Electric Vehicle. During the recent Oil Crisis he bought an EV. He initially went dead silent. Then chimed in that he was mistaken about the benefits.

 

[Fugu]

that happened to get one and now got real quiet

Nah they're just drowned out by their motor rattle

Or maybe you guys have worn them the fuck out and they've gone to pinkbike!

 

[Brawwp]

Yeah and look there's the simple point that from here forward adding more watts and newton meters isn't going to change behaviour a whole lot, simply because there isn't the battery capacity and not many people want to go out for a <60 minute battery-emptying ride.

A bigger change of behaviour will come with bigger batteries. Then the power can be used all the time. Then it will be much more inviting to get the higher output and actually use it - all the time.

Yeah exactly. Avinox already reached kind of the upper usable limit and almost none of us use that highest wattage on our avinox. It’s kind of just a show off novelty. That’s why I’m not really concerned and wish more would go try one just to see themselves. My m1 is pretty much permanently in auto with 750w max. I only use boost on this one super steep road I can take up to the trail and on that road I still have to pedal hard to maintain speed so the boost is actually nice to have

 

[Scott_123]

It’s a good talking point that the new M2S Avinox has 150Nm of torque @1,500W but the reality is no one uses that except for bike reviewers. If you own an M1 right now, you are NOT buying the M2S unless the rattle …. I never hear, bothers your ride experience . After 1,500 miles of chunk the best I can say is I think I might have heard a rattle, but I’m not sure.

 

[Astro66]

It’s a good talking point that the new M2S Avinox has 150Nm of torque @1,500W but the reality is no one uses that except for bike reviewers. If you own an M1 right now, you are NOT buying the M2S unless the rattle …. I never hear, bothers your ride experience . After 1,500 miles of chunk the best I can say is I think I might have heard a rattle, but I’m not sure.

Agree. I love my M1 Amflow PL Carbon Pro. The whine from the motor when powering up a steep incline in Turbo is the only noise I've heard. My M2S Teewing Flux was bought not knowing it came with the M2S. I would have been happy with the M1.

The Teewing was bought because my downhill skills had improved so much riding the Amflow, that I'm doing a lot more downhill tech. And the geometry and extra travel provided by the Teewing, will make my descending safer.

 

[Ndanger]

In my immediate area there are about 15 miles of mixed use single track [hike, horses, bikes]. For years they had signs below the trail map locations that said “no peddle assist bike”. About 2 months ago a guy was removing the “no peddle assist” signs and when asked he said they are replacing the signs because people are damaging them. Well that was over two months ago and the signs never came back. People have been riding e-bikes on those trails for years and I just think they threw in the towel when there was no evidence the trails were being damaged by e-bikes. Can’t imagine them putting the signs back up after they have been gone for months.

One of the areas I ride in Idaho is interesting, Horses, Hikers, Bikes and dirt bikes are allowed on single track trail system. The exception is "No Ebikes" surprisingly. I choose to ride a YZ250fx on the trails which is rather a guilty pleasure I do enter the trail system from the other side of the mountains so I am out of the way of the parking lot and less of a factor to the trail system within range of most hikers. I do shut off the motor when horses are present as well. I never really was there long enough to get an understanding of the stigma that the emtb's were all about.

 

[Fangs2k]

Emtbers raising hell will be the only reason for regulation change. Nobody else knows or cares.

Here in the UK I don’t think it is EMTB’ers who will get regulations changed, it will be the media with constant negative stories about ‘e-bikes’, which feeds the very powerful walking lobby and the committe of MPs keen to do ‘something’ (aka over regulation) that is easy rather than difficult.

Discussing issues on an enthusiast forum, even an increasingly polarised echo chamber like this one isn’t the problem. Pretending things aren’t changing is.

one thing to note is a lot of us emtbers used to be on analog bikes only and raising hell about any e-bike.

I still ride an analog bike regularly, have no qualms about legal e-bikes and purchased one as soon as they entered my conscience. My first one was actually a 250w Tongsheng TSDZ2 that I stuck on a Rocky Mountain Switch SL. That’s still going strong and I gave it to a mate years ago.

It’s actually pretty cool that through me doing absolutely nothing legislation here is such that I can legally ride a ‘Class 1’ e-bike anywhere I can ride a bicycle, and I don’t want that to change is all.

 

[Ribinrobin]

def got rattle on my m1, dont really bother me tbh, i use to have shimano

 

[Astro66]

i use to have shimano

So did I. The EP6 down a rooty, bumpy trail, was like carrying a bag of spanners. But it never really worried me. Coming from Motorbike trials riding. Iit was always much louder.

 

[patdam]

Some e-bike owners really associate their personal worth and value with their choice of e-bike motor system. It's f**king creepy honestly. You don't need to attack if others have a differing opinion about a freaking bike motor system!
I can happily acknowledge that somewhere around 75% of the reviews I've read prefer the tractability of the Avinox over the other top contenders. In spite of the fact that I've never ridden the Avinox I admit that this is likely true; even though it's also true that many of these statements were put forth by paid influencers with questionable motives and possibly 'ringer' motors.
Even if this aspect is somewhat better, I just don't care because I've never sensed any problem with my current motor system in this regard.
For me there isn't much value in the other features such as smart shift. Primarily because I still ride normal bikes that don't have these features. But if it matters to you that's coming down the pipeline on other motor systems too.
I personally value legal compliance, continuing long term trail access, guaranteed no rattle, easily available service, chain ring protection & Western design and manufacturing over the tractability argument, and that's okay. That is my position and yours can be different and I won't care.
The Avinox extra power, once again is either illegal, or at a minimum against the spirit of the e-bike regulations, so has zero value to me. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to not think that Bosch could build any power motor they want. Bosch is choosing to respect current regulations.

It seem when bosch increase progressively is power each year was not be an problem for the bosch owner (as they still classed for the more powerfull ?). But now, when an china motor is better in all points, while respecting the regulations. Become a great problem ? The "spirit" of regulations does not exist and bosch was the first to playing with that to be the "powerfull".

 

[sledgy]

I could do, but we all ride different on different trails. What I would say is with the Mk2 is that you can run with less power than what you think you need. This really helps battery range.

As a larger heavier rider, can I run one in a lower than max power mode and get solid battery range..?

This is one thing im trying to understand about these new motors...are they producing the power and with their special batteries more effficient as well so with lower power levels they can generate better range/battery life ???

I know I dont need 1500 watts and 120nm, 600watts and 85nm hauls my phat as up hills fairly nicely... the golden place for Emtb is the ability to make a climb fun .. dont need to shred it but being able to maintain 10-14 KMH uphills is a blast.
I had been thinking 95-100 NM should just about be perfect for almost anyone. I assumed running max power uphills killed battery ridiculously fast at those amazing power levels. Apparently some testing showed they can have less than 30 minutes of run time w/a 160 lb rider up decent grades at full power...that is wild.

I think 700-800 watts and 90-100 NM is Rock solid with an 750- 800kwh battery. I'm a fattie at 260# geared up on the bike, im running a 2024 Gen4 Bosh Orbea Wild Alloy, it has the latest bosch app update and sits at 600 watts of power w/a 625 watt battery and 85nm max torque. I keep it in tour mostly, eco occasionally on flats, using emtb+ or turbo only for short steep climbs and I've pulled 27 miles and about 3800 feet of climbing ending up with maybe 10% battery.
I have the 250 watt extender which will get me to 875 KWH of battery and a decentlyly improved range 33-35 miles dep on the climbing and power setting used. but basically, as much mtn biking as i'll want to do in one day, period,

I am super curious how much can these motors and batteries be " Managed " to max out range esp under heavier riders....? THAT is a test that some enterprising MTB youtuber needs to do.

PS ** I love the idea Avinox developed their own wide/phat batteries also... the investment in an improved form factor and I hope energy density seems to have been a good call!

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

As a larger heavier rider, can I run one in a lower than max power mode and get solid battery range..?

This is one thing im trying to understand about these new motors...are they producing the power and with their special batteries more effficient as well so with lower power levels they can generate better range/battery life ???

I know I dont need 1500 watts and 120nm, 600watts and 85nm hauls my phat as up hills fairly nicely... the golden place for Emtb is the ability to make a climb fun .. dont need to shred it but being able to maintain 10-14 KMH uphills is a blast.
I had been thinking 95-100 NM should just about be perfect for almost anyone. I assumed running max power uphills killed battery ridiculously fast at those amazing power levels. Apparently some testing showed they can have less than 30 minutes of run time w/a 160 lb rider up decent grades at full power...that is wild.

I think 700-800 watts and 90-100 NM is Rock solid with an 750- 800kwh battery. I'm a fattie at 260# geared up on the bike, im running a 2024 Gen4 Bosh Orbea Wild Alloy, it has the latest bosch app update and sits at 600 watts of power w/a 625 watt battery and 85nm max torque. I keep it in tour mostly, eco occasionally on flats, using emtb+ or turbo only for short steep climbs and I've pulled 27 miles and about 3800 feet of climbing ending up with maybe 10% battery.
I have the 250 watt extender which will get me to 875 KWH of battery and a decentlyly improved range 33-35 miles dep on the climbing and power setting used. but basically, as much mtn biking as i'll want to do in one day, period,

I am super curious how much can these motors and batteries be " Managed " to max out range esp under heavier riders....? THAT is a test that some enterprising MTB youtuber needs to do.

PS ** I love the idea Avinox developed their own wide/phat batteries also... the investment in an improved form factor and I hope energy density seems to have been a good call!

The efficiency of ANY current day full power motor is roughly the same... so no. Equal support/torque/watts on a Bosch CX or M2S will drain the battery at a similar rate. You will have more power available on say the M2S, but not more efficient.

If your heavy and need generous support, you'll need a bigger battery... so focus on bikes with larger (800+ wh) batteries and option for either fast charging and/or extender depending on ride profile.