Avinox M2S: 1,500W, 150Nm, and a PR Offensive
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Plenty of M1 owners said the same thing on forums last year: the motor was already more than they needed, and what they actually wanted was a lighter version that rode more like a normal bike.
I wonder if it could fix “ Stockholm syndrome “ seems to be common issue amongst some owners on here. lol.
I don’t believe speed is the danger here, my 650B non E MtB would see much faster speeds on some trails, OK not up hills. But in my experience it’s more about how the power is controlled, that’s were DJI have just nailed it in comparison to other EMTBs makers, it’s all in how you can tune the power to come in progressively as and when you need it.
Speed is proportional to danger, in fact you could argue that danger is proportional to speed squared (since its energy that will cause injuries and energy is proportional to speed squared). But there is also the less physical danger, the danger of ebikes getting banned from trails.
Right now we enjoy a very privileged existence, we don't have to register, pay tax, wear helmets (probably a good idea in most cases though) or have insurance (though most people would be well advised to have 3rd party insurance); we get to ride roads and bridleways and (in most places) most trails. That's a pretty cushy deal.
If riders start alarming hikers etc. (even if there are no actual collisions) or SEEM like we might be disturbing wildlife etc. then we could lose all that.
DJI/Avinox are fine to say "trust me bro" but once it's fucked, it's fucked; so we should definitely be erring on the side of caution here.
It’s hilarious we’re all “fanboys” (as if that’s a bad thing) in a derogatory way for loving our Avinox bikes (most of us coming from Bosch).
But then you have this whole slew of guys that have never even ridden Avinox going out of their way everyday on here to poop on avinox and praising Bosch, yet somehow we’re the crazy ones? I don’t see many people that went from the m1 back to Bosch bikes. I see a crapload of people going Bosch/brose/etc to Avinox. But whatevs. Keep crying about the power then begging for power updates I guess.
But then you have this whole slew of guys that have never even ridden Avinox going out of their way everyday on here to poop on avinox and praising Bosch, yet somehow we’re the crazy ones? I don’t see many people that went from the m1 back to Bosch bikes. I see a crapload of people going Bosch/brose/etc to Avinox. But whatevs. Keep crying about the power then begging for power updates I guess.
What are you going on about, nobody is ‘pooping on Avinox’ in this thread, you seem to be seeing an argument where there isn’t one?
The issues raised in the first post article are sensible, there’s a difference between an Avinox motor and the positives it brings and what it might also mean for EMTB’ing more widely.
I ‘love’ my bikes as well, and cycling more generally, but I definitely don’t go out of my way to push my preferred bike or motor brand in every thread where that thing isn’t universally noshed to death because quite frankly it would be rude, boring and ultimately pointless.
billwarwick
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Good luck with that.Ok, so we don't have to spend half our time deleting posts and banning people can we keep this civil, intellectual, productive and relevant.
Thanks
I wasn't shitting on anyone. I was just pointing out the absurdity of some on the Avinox owners comments. I have rarely heard any other bike owners talk about their bikes the way Avinox owners do. Look at that comment from the guy who is now a top 1% member of his club and now has all the other members fawning over him now just because he got an Avinox bike. It's too much 
ebsocalmtb
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I am nervous about the approach of defending a significant amount of power by highlighting that speed is the issue. Going faster then we should is sorta the fight-club rule for this sport. Most, if not all trail areas that I am aware of either have a stated, or un-spoken 10 or 15mph speed limit. We all know that we at times, exceed those limits and historically that is all based on going downhill. This is something that we the user group, and the land managers have an unspoken agreement to ignore and not discuss... but it has always been there.
Highlighting speed as the problem starts to point to a single solution to land managers and other users... which is to eliminate mountain biking from trail access entirely.
This is a slippery slope we are on. The optimist in me wants to feel that with great power, comes great responsibility and people will self regulate and do the right thing. The 40+ year old, middle aged man child whom grew up riding motorcycles like an idiot, knows otherwise.
Highlighting speed as the problem starts to point to a single solution to land managers and other users... which is to eliminate mountain biking from trail access entirely.
This is a slippery slope we are on. The optimist in me wants to feel that with great power, comes great responsibility and people will self regulate and do the right thing. The 40+ year old, middle aged man child whom grew up riding motorcycles like an idiot, knows otherwise.
Mario Antony
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AVINOX M1 VS M2S MOTOR
Can the latest drive unit improve on the original’s awesome performance?
19 mai. 2026
DJI-owned Avinox’s new M2S motor delivers huge gains in power and torque over the revered M1, but does it improve your ride experience on the trail, or just drain the battery quicker?
A bit of background
E-MTB motor development has followed a predictable path for several years – more refinement, slightly increased power, marginal gains in efficiency and a bit less weight. Then the Avinox M1 arrived in 2025 and blew the market wide open, outgunning existing options from Bosch, Specialized and Shimano on power, torque and user experience.
Now, the brand have released a new flagship. On paper, the M2S dwarfs the M1 and pushes performance into territory that makes you question how much power is genuinely useful on the trail. So,
I set out to see just how capable and practical it really is.
I tested the new motor and the M1 back-to-back, on the same trails and in the same conditions, over several weeks, using Amflow (DJI’s in-house bike brand) bikes – the M1 on their PL Carbon Pro and the M2S on the all-new PX Carbon Pro. Is the extra grunt a real advantage, or just headline numbers? And, more importantly, which one would I want on my bike?
A seismic shift
On paper, the jump from the M1 to the M2S is significant. Maximum output rises to 1,500W and 150Nm. That’s a 50% increase in power and 23.8% more torque, over the M1’s 1,000W and 120Nm. Both of these figures are when in timelimited Boost mode.
In Turbo mode – the highest continuous setting – the output climbs from 100W and 105Nm to 1,300W and 130Nm. That puts the M2S into a different league on raw data alone. Helping Avinox to achieve this is their new integrated 700Wh battery (FP700), which has a claimed weight of 3.18kg and, more importantly, an energy density of 220Wh/kg. Note that some bike brands are pairing the motor with Avinox’s removable RS800 (800Wh) or RS600 (600Wh) batteries instead, which don’t enable quite the same maximum power and torque.
Uphill performance
What surprised me most is how similar the M1 and M2S feel on the trail – not in outright power, but in how they deliver it.
Straight away, the M2S feels familiar. Power builds naturally and stays connected to your input. There’s no jerkiness or harsh surging when you press down on the pedals. Stamp hard and you get strong acceleration, but it’s never chaotic. Ease ož and the motor responds just as smoothly. That matters on technical climbs, allowing you to balance grip and power to clear steep sections or pick your way over roots and rocks.
Here, though, the gap between the M1 and M2S is smaller than you might expect. You don’t get a 50% boost in climbing ability, because the need for control through the pedals limits how much of that 1,300W and 130Nm you can use. Where the M2S stands out is in how it carries momentum. The added power helps keep the bike moving over roots, rocks and awkward step-ups. Instead of stalling or needing big pedal inputs, it just keeps driving forward. That extra speed also improves stability. With more forward momentum, the front wheel stays planted and is less likely to lift on steep pitches, leaving the bike feeling more composed and easier to control.
The M1 is still impressive. It climbs well, delivers power smoothly and handles technical terrain con¡dently.
But, ridden back-to-back, it lacks that top-end urgency. It feels slightly
atter and requires a little more rider input to keep things moving.
Where the power comes from
The M2S uses at copper wire instead of traditional round wire. This enables more copper to be packed into the same space. That increases the strength of the magnetic �eld, boosting power and torque without making the motor bigger. Avinox say the overall size is almost unchanged. The claimed weight of 2.6kg is also close to the M1’s 2.52kg. Power density is up by 26% and torque density by 20%.
So, how does that power feel on the trail? On mellower terrain, �reroad climbs or rolling trail-centre trails, the extra power isn’t a big advantage. The M1 already has enough grunt to hit the 25kph e-bike speed limit in its Turbo and Boost modes. Both motors turn climbs into something closer to ow trails, delivering proper uphill fun, which is still not common in mountain biking.
The M2S gets up to speed quicker. It also drives harder out of corners and up steep pitches. However, it’s not a huge diŠerence. The main bene�t is that it holds momentum with less rider eŠort.
Things change on steeper climbs. Here, the M2S starts to dominate, making a mockery of gradients that would usually need careful pacing and gear choice. It accelerates hard and holds speed, driving forward as resistance builds rather than bogging down or forcing you to shift.The extra torque is obvious, allowing you to stay seated and balanced, and let the motor do more of the work.
It’s almost ridiculous how quickly the Am ow PX ascends in Boost mode – it’ll hold the 25kph cut-oŠ on gradients that would otherwise feel like a grind. In Turbo, it still ies up hills where most e-MTBs, even those equipped with the M1, would start to slow. With its power and delivery, I was able to clear climbs on the M2S that I’ve never managed with other e-bike systems.
With power comes responsibility
There’s no getting around it – the M2S is incredibly powerful on climbs. But that comes with a reality check. Most of the time, you simply cannot use all that power. Not on shared trails. Not around other riders. Not when you’re riding in a group with people on less powerful bikes.
If you do, you’ll �nd you spend the whole ride either waiting for, or riding away from, your mates. Neither makes for a good day out.
The truth is, much of the M2S’s performance is only fully usable when you’re riding alone, or on quiet trails where you’re not aŠecting anyone else. That extra speed and drive is impressive, but it often ends up feeling more like a party trick than something you’ll use all the time.
There’s also a responsibility that comes with all that power. More speed uphill means more chance of surprising other trail users. It’s on you to manage that. Control your speed. Be aware of others. Ride within the constraints of the trail, not just the limits of the motor.
Gearing differences
Another signi�cant change is in the motor’s gearing. The M2S uses helical gears with a dual-engagement design, rather than the straight-cut gears in the M1. That does two things. It increases load capacity,
enabling the system to handle higher torque and power, and it also reduces noise and vibration, by keeping the gears meshed more consistently.
On the trail, even at full power, the M2S is quieter – impressively so. The M1 isn’t a loud motor, but it produces a noticeable whine in higher-power modes and a slight rattle on rough trails. By comparison, the M2S is almost silent on descents. It feels more re“ned and less intrusive.
Heat management and efficiency
One of the less obvious but more important upgrades is how the M2S manages heat. E-bike motors are often limited not by peak power, but rather by how long they can sustain it for. Once temperatures rise, most systems reduce output to protect the internal components.
Axinox address this with improved thermal management. New temperature sensors monitor heat more accurately, while revised internals and a smoother gear system reduce heat build-up and internal losses. Less energy is wasted as heat, and there’s improved dissipation through the motor casing. All of this means the M2S can stay at a higher power for longer.
Overall motor e…ciency has increased from a claimed 82% to 84.5%. On the trail, that translates to more consistent performance. The motor doesn’t fade as quickly on long climbs or repeated e‘orts. It feels just as strong near the top as it does at the bottom. Even riding consistently in Turbo mode, I couldn’t get the M2S’s thermal throttle to kick in. The M1 is still solid but it can’t match the same level of sustained output.
Speed test
On a 12km loop with 700m of climbing, the di‘erence between the motors was clear. In Turbo mode, the M2S completed the loop in 34 minutes – four minutes faster than the M1. In this time, the M2S used 56% of its 700Wh battery, while the M1 used 49% of its 800Wh battery. That means both systems used exactly 392Wh to complete the ride.
Despite the jump in power, both motors used the same amount of energy – the M2S just did it faster. That suggests real-world e…ciency is at least on a par with the M1, but it delivers that performance over a shorter period of time.
What changes is how that energy is used. The M2S draws power at a higher rate, so if you ride it hard in Turbo or Boost mode, it’ll drain the battery faster. You’re covering ground more quickly, but you’re also getting through the battery sooner.
Ride both motors at the same pace, and the range is likely to be similar. Use the M2S’s extra power frequently and the overall range will drop compared to the M1. That means the range depends less on the system and more on how tempted you are to use the full performance on o‘er.
Avinox M1 vs M2S apps
The M2S app builds on the foundation set for the M1, but pushes it much further. Its core layout and usability remain the same, and it’s still one of the easiest systems to navigate.
Where it has improved is in the depth it o‘ers. The ability for customisation has expanded signi“cantly – you can “ne tune the assistance level, start response, sustained support, torque limits and motor overrun. This feels less like selecting modes and more like re“ning the bike’s behaviour.
Boost mode is also more advanced. On the M1, it’s a simple maximumpower setting for 30 seconds. With the M2S, you can control how long it lasts, between 10 and 60 seconds. Navigation is another step forward. You can now import routes from third parties and follow them directly on the display, with turn prompts and live guidance. Heart-rate based assist adds a training element. When paired with a monitor, the system adjusts motor support based on your e‘ort to help you stay within a target zone.
There are also smaller usability gains. Maintenance mode improves safety when working on the bike, for example. The M1’s app already set a high bar – now the M2S maintains the original’s simplicity but adds a deeper level of control.
What’s not perfect?
One area that hasn’t changed signi“cantly is pedalling resistance above the motor cut-o‘. Like the
M1, the M2S still feels draggy once assistance cuts out. It’s not a dealbreaker, but is noticeable, especially on atter terrain where you’re riding above the limit – which is easy to reach with the M2S’s immense power.
Battery indicator accuracy at low charge could also be improved. The bike showed around 12% remaining, but this dropped quickly to 5% and the M2S then entered a reducedpower mode. I didn’t experience the same behaviour with the M1.
AND THE WINNER IS...
While the M1 and M2S motors are matched closely in some areas, they deliver very different riding experiences.
The M1 remains an excellent system. It offers smooth, intuitive power delivery, strong climbing performance and enough output to make most terrain feel manageable. For many riders, it already provides more than enough assistance, with a measured and predictable character that’s easy to live with on everyday rides.
However, the M2S builds on that foundation and pushes it further. It delivers significantly more power and torque, but crucially, it does so without losing the natural, controlled feel that made the M1 so impressive. On technical climbs, its ability to maintain momentum and stability gives it a clear advantage, and it also outperforms the M1 on steeper terrain.
Despite the increase in output, efficiency remains broadly comparable. Both motors used the same amount of energy over my test loop, with the M2S completing it faster. That means the difference in range comes down more to how you ride than the system itself. Use the extra performance frequently and your mileage will drop.
The M2S also moves ahead in terms of refinement and usability.
It’s quieter, holds power more consistently under load and offers far greater control through its software.
Are these motors worth their price? I’d argue yes, considering you can buy other systems that don’t perform as well for more money. But remember, a good e-bike isn’t good just because of the motor – how well it rides comes down to a sum of its parts.
If you value smooth power, simplicity and more than enough performance for most riding, the M1 still makes a strong case. However, if you want maximum capability, sharper climbing performance and a more adaptable system, the M2S is the clear winner. You don’t need the M2S, but once you have it, it’s hard to ignore what it can do. Luke Marshall www.amflowbikes.com
Can the latest drive unit improve on the original’s awesome performance?
19 mai. 2026
DJI-owned Avinox’s new M2S motor delivers huge gains in power and torque over the revered M1, but does it improve your ride experience on the trail, or just drain the battery quicker?
A bit of background
E-MTB motor development has followed a predictable path for several years – more refinement, slightly increased power, marginal gains in efficiency and a bit less weight. Then the Avinox M1 arrived in 2025 and blew the market wide open, outgunning existing options from Bosch, Specialized and Shimano on power, torque and user experience.
Now, the brand have released a new flagship. On paper, the M2S dwarfs the M1 and pushes performance into territory that makes you question how much power is genuinely useful on the trail. So,
I set out to see just how capable and practical it really is.
I tested the new motor and the M1 back-to-back, on the same trails and in the same conditions, over several weeks, using Amflow (DJI’s in-house bike brand) bikes – the M1 on their PL Carbon Pro and the M2S on the all-new PX Carbon Pro. Is the extra grunt a real advantage, or just headline numbers? And, more importantly, which one would I want on my bike?
A seismic shift
On paper, the jump from the M1 to the M2S is significant. Maximum output rises to 1,500W and 150Nm. That’s a 50% increase in power and 23.8% more torque, over the M1’s 1,000W and 120Nm. Both of these figures are when in timelimited Boost mode.
In Turbo mode – the highest continuous setting – the output climbs from 100W and 105Nm to 1,300W and 130Nm. That puts the M2S into a different league on raw data alone. Helping Avinox to achieve this is their new integrated 700Wh battery (FP700), which has a claimed weight of 3.18kg and, more importantly, an energy density of 220Wh/kg. Note that some bike brands are pairing the motor with Avinox’s removable RS800 (800Wh) or RS600 (600Wh) batteries instead, which don’t enable quite the same maximum power and torque.
Uphill performance
What surprised me most is how similar the M1 and M2S feel on the trail – not in outright power, but in how they deliver it.
Straight away, the M2S feels familiar. Power builds naturally and stays connected to your input. There’s no jerkiness or harsh surging when you press down on the pedals. Stamp hard and you get strong acceleration, but it’s never chaotic. Ease ož and the motor responds just as smoothly. That matters on technical climbs, allowing you to balance grip and power to clear steep sections or pick your way over roots and rocks.
Here, though, the gap between the M1 and M2S is smaller than you might expect. You don’t get a 50% boost in climbing ability, because the need for control through the pedals limits how much of that 1,300W and 130Nm you can use. Where the M2S stands out is in how it carries momentum. The added power helps keep the bike moving over roots, rocks and awkward step-ups. Instead of stalling or needing big pedal inputs, it just keeps driving forward. That extra speed also improves stability. With more forward momentum, the front wheel stays planted and is less likely to lift on steep pitches, leaving the bike feeling more composed and easier to control.
The M1 is still impressive. It climbs well, delivers power smoothly and handles technical terrain con¡dently.
But, ridden back-to-back, it lacks that top-end urgency. It feels slightly
atter and requires a little more rider input to keep things moving.
Where the power comes from
The M2S uses at copper wire instead of traditional round wire. This enables more copper to be packed into the same space. That increases the strength of the magnetic �eld, boosting power and torque without making the motor bigger. Avinox say the overall size is almost unchanged. The claimed weight of 2.6kg is also close to the M1’s 2.52kg. Power density is up by 26% and torque density by 20%.
So, how does that power feel on the trail? On mellower terrain, �reroad climbs or rolling trail-centre trails, the extra power isn’t a big advantage. The M1 already has enough grunt to hit the 25kph e-bike speed limit in its Turbo and Boost modes. Both motors turn climbs into something closer to ow trails, delivering proper uphill fun, which is still not common in mountain biking.
The M2S gets up to speed quicker. It also drives harder out of corners and up steep pitches. However, it’s not a huge diŠerence. The main bene�t is that it holds momentum with less rider eŠort.
Things change on steeper climbs. Here, the M2S starts to dominate, making a mockery of gradients that would usually need careful pacing and gear choice. It accelerates hard and holds speed, driving forward as resistance builds rather than bogging down or forcing you to shift.The extra torque is obvious, allowing you to stay seated and balanced, and let the motor do more of the work.
It’s almost ridiculous how quickly the Am ow PX ascends in Boost mode – it’ll hold the 25kph cut-oŠ on gradients that would otherwise feel like a grind. In Turbo, it still ies up hills where most e-MTBs, even those equipped with the M1, would start to slow. With its power and delivery, I was able to clear climbs on the M2S that I’ve never managed with other e-bike systems.
With power comes responsibility
There’s no getting around it – the M2S is incredibly powerful on climbs. But that comes with a reality check. Most of the time, you simply cannot use all that power. Not on shared trails. Not around other riders. Not when you’re riding in a group with people on less powerful bikes.
If you do, you’ll �nd you spend the whole ride either waiting for, or riding away from, your mates. Neither makes for a good day out.
The truth is, much of the M2S’s performance is only fully usable when you’re riding alone, or on quiet trails where you’re not aŠecting anyone else. That extra speed and drive is impressive, but it often ends up feeling more like a party trick than something you’ll use all the time.
There’s also a responsibility that comes with all that power. More speed uphill means more chance of surprising other trail users. It’s on you to manage that. Control your speed. Be aware of others. Ride within the constraints of the trail, not just the limits of the motor.
Gearing differences
Another signi�cant change is in the motor’s gearing. The M2S uses helical gears with a dual-engagement design, rather than the straight-cut gears in the M1. That does two things. It increases load capacity,
enabling the system to handle higher torque and power, and it also reduces noise and vibration, by keeping the gears meshed more consistently.
On the trail, even at full power, the M2S is quieter – impressively so. The M1 isn’t a loud motor, but it produces a noticeable whine in higher-power modes and a slight rattle on rough trails. By comparison, the M2S is almost silent on descents. It feels more re“ned and less intrusive.
Heat management and efficiency
One of the less obvious but more important upgrades is how the M2S manages heat. E-bike motors are often limited not by peak power, but rather by how long they can sustain it for. Once temperatures rise, most systems reduce output to protect the internal components.
Axinox address this with improved thermal management. New temperature sensors monitor heat more accurately, while revised internals and a smoother gear system reduce heat build-up and internal losses. Less energy is wasted as heat, and there’s improved dissipation through the motor casing. All of this means the M2S can stay at a higher power for longer.
Overall motor e…ciency has increased from a claimed 82% to 84.5%. On the trail, that translates to more consistent performance. The motor doesn’t fade as quickly on long climbs or repeated e‘orts. It feels just as strong near the top as it does at the bottom. Even riding consistently in Turbo mode, I couldn’t get the M2S’s thermal throttle to kick in. The M1 is still solid but it can’t match the same level of sustained output.
Speed test
On a 12km loop with 700m of climbing, the di‘erence between the motors was clear. In Turbo mode, the M2S completed the loop in 34 minutes – four minutes faster than the M1. In this time, the M2S used 56% of its 700Wh battery, while the M1 used 49% of its 800Wh battery. That means both systems used exactly 392Wh to complete the ride.
Despite the jump in power, both motors used the same amount of energy – the M2S just did it faster. That suggests real-world e…ciency is at least on a par with the M1, but it delivers that performance over a shorter period of time.
What changes is how that energy is used. The M2S draws power at a higher rate, so if you ride it hard in Turbo or Boost mode, it’ll drain the battery faster. You’re covering ground more quickly, but you’re also getting through the battery sooner.
Ride both motors at the same pace, and the range is likely to be similar. Use the M2S’s extra power frequently and the overall range will drop compared to the M1. That means the range depends less on the system and more on how tempted you are to use the full performance on o‘er.
Avinox M1 vs M2S apps
The M2S app builds on the foundation set for the M1, but pushes it much further. Its core layout and usability remain the same, and it’s still one of the easiest systems to navigate.
Where it has improved is in the depth it o‘ers. The ability for customisation has expanded signi“cantly – you can “ne tune the assistance level, start response, sustained support, torque limits and motor overrun. This feels less like selecting modes and more like re“ning the bike’s behaviour.
Boost mode is also more advanced. On the M1, it’s a simple maximumpower setting for 30 seconds. With the M2S, you can control how long it lasts, between 10 and 60 seconds. Navigation is another step forward. You can now import routes from third parties and follow them directly on the display, with turn prompts and live guidance. Heart-rate based assist adds a training element. When paired with a monitor, the system adjusts motor support based on your e‘ort to help you stay within a target zone.
There are also smaller usability gains. Maintenance mode improves safety when working on the bike, for example. The M1’s app already set a high bar – now the M2S maintains the original’s simplicity but adds a deeper level of control.
What’s not perfect?
One area that hasn’t changed signi“cantly is pedalling resistance above the motor cut-o‘. Like the
M1, the M2S still feels draggy once assistance cuts out. It’s not a dealbreaker, but is noticeable, especially on atter terrain where you’re riding above the limit – which is easy to reach with the M2S’s immense power.
Battery indicator accuracy at low charge could also be improved. The bike showed around 12% remaining, but this dropped quickly to 5% and the M2S then entered a reducedpower mode. I didn’t experience the same behaviour with the M1.
AND THE WINNER IS...
While the M1 and M2S motors are matched closely in some areas, they deliver very different riding experiences.
The M1 remains an excellent system. It offers smooth, intuitive power delivery, strong climbing performance and enough output to make most terrain feel manageable. For many riders, it already provides more than enough assistance, with a measured and predictable character that’s easy to live with on everyday rides.
However, the M2S builds on that foundation and pushes it further. It delivers significantly more power and torque, but crucially, it does so without losing the natural, controlled feel that made the M1 so impressive. On technical climbs, its ability to maintain momentum and stability gives it a clear advantage, and it also outperforms the M1 on steeper terrain.
Despite the increase in output, efficiency remains broadly comparable. Both motors used the same amount of energy over my test loop, with the M2S completing it faster. That means the difference in range comes down more to how you ride than the system itself. Use the extra performance frequently and your mileage will drop.
The M2S also moves ahead in terms of refinement and usability.
It’s quieter, holds power more consistently under load and offers far greater control through its software.
Are these motors worth their price? I’d argue yes, considering you can buy other systems that don’t perform as well for more money. But remember, a good e-bike isn’t good just because of the motor – how well it rides comes down to a sum of its parts.
If you value smooth power, simplicity and more than enough performance for most riding, the M1 still makes a strong case. However, if you want maximum capability, sharper climbing performance and a more adaptable system, the M2S is the clear winner. You don’t need the M2S, but once you have it, it’s hard to ignore what it can do. Luke Marshall www.amflowbikes.com
bmwpowere36m3
Member
This is what many forget... me, me, me and more, more, more.
I started my MTB journey on an analog bike and still ride them frequently. It took a lot of time and effort to develop fitness and skills. Things took "longer" to achieve, some places remained out of "reach" due to fitness and/or skill and honestly accomplishments felt sweeter.
Sometimes folks don't know how GOOD they got it nowadays.
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Rockhopper70
Active member
I mean, that was a funny post that they put down. I did wonder if it was actually tongue in cheek humour….I presume all the inferior climbers realise that the only reason they are now inferior climbers is that they have an inferior bike. Oh to be that 1 of 900 in riding god leagues.I wasn't shitting on anyone. I was just pointing out the absurdity of some on the Avinox owners comments. I have rarely heard any other bike owners talk about their bikes the way Avinox owners do. Look at that comment from the guy who is now a top 1% member of his club and now has all the other members fawning over him now just because he got an Avinox bike. It's too much
But what makes 85nm ok and 120nm-150nm no bueno? I could say 45nm 600watts sl bikes are all you ever need, why need more you’re just scaring hikers and chancing us losing trails. These bike companies have been pushing power long before Avinox came around. It’s just all of the sudden a problem even though the other manufacturers are still pushing more power as well.
There comes personal responsibility here. If your local law is class 1 mode, ride in class 1. Doesn’t matter how fast you get to that speed limit right? There’s guys that can hit that speed on an SL bike uphill.
We’ve all scared wildlife and startled hikers on our analog bikes. You’re never going to stop people from being dumb out there. Make all the laws you want, someone will bash into a hiker on a freaking onewheel dude.
The Avinox power is blown out of proportion. Look at the YouTube videos of boost uphill. It’s truly not crazy at all. You’re also way more in control going uphill. You’re faster than that going downhill and way less in control. I think us owners know this and from the outside looking in, that’s hard for you guys to understand without trying one. You aren’t going to be boosting out of control uphill techy climbs lol. It’s very manageable power that comes on very naturally.
I think that was just gentle ribbing to be honest, on both sides.
Forums should be fun, there’s enough crap in the world without e-bike enthusiasts falling out over them.
I’m not offended brotha. Well actually I teared up a little but my Avinox is so blazing fast it dried my eyes right up.I think that was just gentle ribbing to be honest, on both sides.
Forums should be fun, there’s enough crap in the world without e-bike enthusiasts falling out over them.
It’s just ironic. We’re fanboys with Stockholm syndrome that are going to ruin emtbing for all, and 85nm was all anyone could ever need. Then those same guys are creating 600 threads about why their Bosch app won’t upload the 120nm the second it released lol. Now 120nm is all you could ever need.
I never said torque should be limited. But you are right, Avinox isn't the only manufacturer doing this, however, they are the ones who are really driving it very hard and very fast so it is inevitable that they are going to get most of the heat. Bosch recently increased the power and they chose their ceilings not based on capability but on balancing the regulations and the commercial realities (my choice of words not theirs) of competition in the market. (according to them the motor is very strong and can easily handle this). And they limited the full power assistance speed considerably. So it does seem like they are taking a slightly more responsible approach than many.
Whether brands agree or disagree with them, there ARE regulations in place. For a long time motor manufacturers have played very fast and loose with those regulations and we have all "benefitted" but there is a real danger than we will look back at this time as a golden age in a few years time. We are seeing it happen right now with emotos. They had several years under the radar, they pretended to be ebikes, to the point where a lot of press coverage used the term ebikes when they meant emotos; but this is rapidly coming to an end. We would do well to heed this example. And Avinox should be as keen as anyone else to stay the right side of the regs, because if they get tightened up, or amended, it is only likely to hurt their sales.
Hey,
Has anyone riding with Avinox any experience on drive train wear?
Has anyone riding with Avinox any experience on drive train wear?
Torque is not power.
The actual formula (regardless of units) is: torque * RPM = Power. Or in our case NM * cadence = watts. This is why Bosch had to limit the torque increase to low speeds/ rpms, otherwise they would blow past the mandated 750 watt limit.
Also, Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. None of us are exempt from this. The vast majority of people are going to drive a Porsche faster than a minivan, that's just a fact. Going faster usually feels totally in control, until physics steps in.
It sounds narcissistic, frankly. it sounds like you're using the Avinox as a crutch instead of actually learning MTB skills, and then boasting about your amazing skills that you don't really have. I mean, managing the rear wheel output was always a part of mountain biking - before motors - and this is supposed to be an e-mountain bike. If you don't want to do that and have traction control do ir for you, that's fine - but it's weird to think you're an amazing rider for it.
I swear if you guys would quit complaining and just ride one you’d for sure change your tune on the Avinox bikes. You guys were absolutely frothing for the Bosch power update then complaining you couldn’t tell a difference. It’s just so hypocritical (not singling you out fyi just what I observed in the 100 Bosch power update threads).
But again idc, ban them. I already have mine so just a lose lose for you guys. It’s not all about the power, the power is just nice to have on long fire roads and actual roads. It’s not crazy in any way and if you rode one you’d see that.
Well, as much I honestly, genuinely do question whether this power surge is a good thing - I'll probably get an M2S in couple of months. Whether something is good for the sport/community/trail access/anything else can be totally separate from whether I will enjoy it. I am a hoon at heart, and I'll be part of the problem. I'm sorry, not my fault, Avinox let the genie out. It's not a lot of years since I had a Tuono track bike. It's in the blood, or well, brain.
If that happens, I'll do my best to not join the fanboy reach around club.
What would make me piss myself laughing is if Bosch pulled out a 200nm 2KW high voltage beast next year. And no doubt it would have traction control too, maybe ABS, maybe levitation.
Interesting times...
If that happens, I'll do my best to not join the fanboy reach around club.
What would make me piss myself laughing is if Bosch pulled out a 200nm 2KW high voltage beast next year. And no doubt it would have traction control too, maybe ABS, maybe levitation.
Interesting times...
Plummet
Flash Git
in nz all dji's are set to 415kph....
Move to NZ You could be the prick ripping up the hill at 45kph...
From what I read, mine will spend a lot of time in NZ "in spirit"
I'd love to retire in NZ, and likely will do if I can afford it... though I might try around Narooma first.
DirkWisely
Well-known member
Why does "flying" up a fire road at 25kph make one a prick? Seems totally victimless. As far as passing people on single track, that is just the reality of mixed speed climbing. It's true of hikers vs mtbers. It's true of mtbers vs more fit mtbers, and it's true of emtbers and faster emtbers. In that case a faster emtb is actually better. Assuming the rider is using good manners and going "Can I pass you up here", and the other person makes room and is aware you're doing it, then faster passing is better for all involved. Blowing past someone in a rude manner is very bad regardless of what bike you're on and whether you're going up or down the hill.
DirkWisely
Well-known member
I'm sure a tough climb has gated people from things that are too difficult for them, but I'm equally sure there are tons of double blacks that aren't hard to get to at all. It's just not a strong argument. The safest option would be to ban all mountain biking, but I'm sure you're not advocating for that.
Yes ...... We could all ride hardtails with 80mm fork travel, with a single speed gear and made of steel weighing 30kgs. Then spend the next 20 years training for minor improvements ...... OR ........ You could use all the latest and greatest technology and improve quickly.
The choice is definitely yours. I chose the path to improve quickly. Who is the smarter person is purely subjective, and depends what you are trying to achieve. But fast improvement motivates me to go ride, and go train. If I felt it was taking years for tiny improvements, I wouldn't be as keen to just get out and practice.
This is the thing. If you are more capable. You can ride with riders who are very capable, or riders who are not very capable. Because you can always ride down. But you cannot ride up. When you are less capable, you cannot ride with the very capable riders, because you are just holding them up and spoiling their ride. So being less capable reduces your riding group options.
Being part of a 900+ member club. I choose to give myself the most riding options. I really don't understand people who advocate giving yourself less options. It makes no sense to me. But I guess we are all different.
You literally called people expressing an opinion in an opinion thread, "Novel".
As my favourite band used to say. "You get what you give."
I never suggested to not use it, that I would not, or that anything at all was wrong with doing so.
I just said it's not your skill if the bike is doing it for you. You haven't really improved, you've just got a better bike that does it for you.
This is like going from analog to electric and then going on and on about how you're an amazing climber now...
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